Well, I.. uh.. I've got issues with the Ori.... (bet you didn't know that)
My reasons for... disliking the Ori so, you ask? It may be just me, but I see way too many parallels with the Ori to Christianity.
-Edit- I decided I didn't need to keep these examples- ...Just as I can't ignore other things, like the fact that in "Beachhead" the prior is mumbling in something that sounds just like Latin! And there are many other things that I can't think of right now.
But I keep seeing things that strike me as either anti Christian or even sometimes anti religion! I am really disappointed with all of this and I hope they either change some things or get rid of the Ori OR even keep the Ori but also have thing to counter it, something pro religion, pro Christianity.
So far, they've been pretty good with this. Every time they had anything that seemed anti religion they did counter it with something almost pro, but I'm just not seeing it with the whole Ori plot. I've always liked the fact that Stargate was never blatantly anti religion, which was kind of a relief coming from watching Star Trek, which did have blatantly anti religion eps. But I'm starting to get worried about that.
Now, even if I am wrong and even if they aren't really doing anything wrong, the fact that I'm seeing any of this means they are at least walking a fine line. If I'm seeing these things then I'm sure I'm not the only one.
So, if any of TPTB see this, please do something about it. Please clear up the confusion at least a little.
Um, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here...-Edited out unneccesary stuff- ...Yes, I know it's just a show and what they say or do doesn't really matter, but if they continue to make me uncertain and confused about this whole thing then I may just stop watching it. Because, yes, it is just a show and I am just a fan and this fan is just going to stop being one if TPTB don't do something about it!
Erm... uh.... hmm. Sorry 'bout that....
[-EDIT- What I meant by that was if the show makes me this uncomfortable then it's not entertaining anymore [scifi = entertainment] which is why I would stop watching it. -Another EDIT: But uncomfortable is something I'd rather not feel when watching something that's supposed to be entertainment. Don't get me wrong, I definitely won't stop watching it! Don't you worry about that! ....so I lied. No, actually, I was trying to make a point and got carried away. Ahem. Yeah.]
So, am I completely insane and alone or does anyone out there actually agree with me?
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-MORE EDITs- I've decided to add some stuff from later in the thread here so that people just reading it for the first time can kinda get cought up a little easier.
A few people have argued that Origin represents any kind of extremism.
(me answering Deevil's statement, I would never directly attribute them to Catholosism or any version of Christianity.) See, it doesn’t have to be direct... Whether TPTB were trying to or not, they definitely have reminded, not just me, but a lot of people of Christianity. And putting the Ori in a bad light could very well make people see Christianity in a bad light as well, whether consciously or subconsciously...
But when they start making allusions to an existing religion and put the thing making the allusions in a bad light, make it evil, then they really start walking a fine line, in my opinion...
Something I did forget was: (jenks) Well isn't Latin ment to be very similar to Ancient, like it probably originated from a variation of the language the surviving Ancients were speaking on earth...
(me) Still, nowadays the Catholic mass is really the only place where they still speak Latin, so you can see how that bugged me. Not to mention that the priors look kinda like monks. And with him speaking something that sounds like Latin and holding that staff (which reminds me of bishops’ staffs) and wearing a robe with a hood like a monk, you can’t deny that it looks (to some) like a stab at the Catholic church.
(Dani347) It's the words that bother me. They're too close to Biblical words... Or if they actually tried being original and came up with their own ideas (believe me, we're not stupid we'd be able to understand the concept that these beings with an unfamiliar religion were trying to force worship) that would be better. If they had some devout people of Christian.. [or] other actual religions and made up religions fighting the Ori along with people who didn't believe in a higher power that would help. Right now, the feel isn't "religious extremists" it's "religious which means extremists."
Deevil and I then discussed how she thought I was generalizing, which took up a few pages along with some OT stuff.
(me)Well, whether or not anyone feels the same way I do in this matter, at least the fact that we've had this long discussion (or argument if you're PG15) will hopefully at very least get TPTB to thinking.
(Skydiver) to me, the extremists that lept to my mind with the Ori are the Muslim Extremists. The ones that would happily blow me to bits because i'm not one of thier own and therefore not worthy of living. That's one of hte main reasons i don't care for the Ori. They're a little too timely. A little too close to home.
(me) So, you (ParadoxRealities) are saying that you think they may be trying to make Christians (and others) think about what their religion really means and not to take their religion into their own hands and deform it to their wants and needs and to lose the whole meaning of it? That makes sense, I suppose... *ponders more*
(ParadoxRealities) not only that, but to not feel compelled to stand up for the people who use their religion as a weapon. to realize that when people say "damn insurgents/terrorists/bad missionaries/Medieval Catholic Church/Crusades/etc" they're not saying "damn Islam/Christianity/etc"
OriKiller and others discussed the meaning of extremism, where you find it today and whether or not the Ori represent it.
(Konman72) we are actually having a very enjoyable discussion about whether the Ori represent Islam alone or many/all religion. If it is the former, as OriKiller says, then the allusions to the Crusades are out of line, but if it is the latter then they are a means of condemning Christian doctrines that allow for violence, or just Christians who were manipulated into committing violence.
And I just thought I'd add these: (me) If you don't agree with me then that's fine! Just voice your opinions and I'll post mine and we'll both be on our merry way!... I didn't mean to say that they meant to "attack" anyone's religion… No hard feelings, anyone!
…Please, my point in making this thread was simply to point out my reasons for not liking the Ori and for other people to think about what I have to say and maybe even for TPTB to see it and think about it. As their reason for the Ori was to make people think, it's my reason for making this thread.
My reasons for... disliking the Ori so, you ask? It may be just me, but I see way too many parallels with the Ori to Christianity.
-Edit- I decided I didn't need to keep these examples- ...Just as I can't ignore other things, like the fact that in "Beachhead" the prior is mumbling in something that sounds just like Latin! And there are many other things that I can't think of right now.
But I keep seeing things that strike me as either anti Christian or even sometimes anti religion! I am really disappointed with all of this and I hope they either change some things or get rid of the Ori OR even keep the Ori but also have thing to counter it, something pro religion, pro Christianity.
So far, they've been pretty good with this. Every time they had anything that seemed anti religion they did counter it with something almost pro, but I'm just not seeing it with the whole Ori plot. I've always liked the fact that Stargate was never blatantly anti religion, which was kind of a relief coming from watching Star Trek, which did have blatantly anti religion eps. But I'm starting to get worried about that.
Now, even if I am wrong and even if they aren't really doing anything wrong, the fact that I'm seeing any of this means they are at least walking a fine line. If I'm seeing these things then I'm sure I'm not the only one.
So, if any of TPTB see this, please do something about it. Please clear up the confusion at least a little.
Um, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here...-Edited out unneccesary stuff- ...Yes, I know it's just a show and what they say or do doesn't really matter, but if they continue to make me uncertain and confused about this whole thing then I may just stop watching it. Because, yes, it is just a show and I am just a fan and this fan is just going to stop being one if TPTB don't do something about it!
Erm... uh.... hmm. Sorry 'bout that....
[-EDIT- What I meant by that was if the show makes me this uncomfortable then it's not entertaining anymore [scifi = entertainment] which is why I would stop watching it. -Another EDIT: But uncomfortable is something I'd rather not feel when watching something that's supposed to be entertainment. Don't get me wrong, I definitely won't stop watching it! Don't you worry about that! ....so I lied. No, actually, I was trying to make a point and got carried away. Ahem. Yeah.] So, am I completely insane and alone or does anyone out there actually agree with me?
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-MORE EDITs- I've decided to add some stuff from later in the thread here so that people just reading it for the first time can kinda get cought up a little easier.
A few people have argued that Origin represents any kind of extremism.
(me answering Deevil's statement, I would never directly attribute them to Catholosism or any version of Christianity.) See, it doesn’t have to be direct... Whether TPTB were trying to or not, they definitely have reminded, not just me, but a lot of people of Christianity. And putting the Ori in a bad light could very well make people see Christianity in a bad light as well, whether consciously or subconsciously...
But when they start making allusions to an existing religion and put the thing making the allusions in a bad light, make it evil, then they really start walking a fine line, in my opinion...
Something I did forget was: (jenks) Well isn't Latin ment to be very similar to Ancient, like it probably originated from a variation of the language the surviving Ancients were speaking on earth...
(me) Still, nowadays the Catholic mass is really the only place where they still speak Latin, so you can see how that bugged me. Not to mention that the priors look kinda like monks. And with him speaking something that sounds like Latin and holding that staff (which reminds me of bishops’ staffs) and wearing a robe with a hood like a monk, you can’t deny that it looks (to some) like a stab at the Catholic church.
(Dani347) It's the words that bother me. They're too close to Biblical words... Or if they actually tried being original and came up with their own ideas (believe me, we're not stupid we'd be able to understand the concept that these beings with an unfamiliar religion were trying to force worship) that would be better. If they had some devout people of Christian.. [or] other actual religions and made up religions fighting the Ori along with people who didn't believe in a higher power that would help. Right now, the feel isn't "religious extremists" it's "religious which means extremists."
Deevil and I then discussed how she thought I was generalizing, which took up a few pages along with some OT stuff.
(me)Well, whether or not anyone feels the same way I do in this matter, at least the fact that we've had this long discussion (or argument if you're PG15) will hopefully at very least get TPTB to thinking.
(Skydiver) to me, the extremists that lept to my mind with the Ori are the Muslim Extremists. The ones that would happily blow me to bits because i'm not one of thier own and therefore not worthy of living. That's one of hte main reasons i don't care for the Ori. They're a little too timely. A little too close to home.
(me) So, you (ParadoxRealities) are saying that you think they may be trying to make Christians (and others) think about what their religion really means and not to take their religion into their own hands and deform it to their wants and needs and to lose the whole meaning of it? That makes sense, I suppose... *ponders more*
(ParadoxRealities) not only that, but to not feel compelled to stand up for the people who use their religion as a weapon. to realize that when people say "damn insurgents/terrorists/bad missionaries/Medieval Catholic Church/Crusades/etc" they're not saying "damn Islam/Christianity/etc"
OriKiller and others discussed the meaning of extremism, where you find it today and whether or not the Ori represent it.
(Konman72) we are actually having a very enjoyable discussion about whether the Ori represent Islam alone or many/all religion. If it is the former, as OriKiller says, then the allusions to the Crusades are out of line, but if it is the latter then they are a means of condemning Christian doctrines that allow for violence, or just Christians who were manipulated into committing violence.
And I just thought I'd add these: (me) If you don't agree with me then that's fine! Just voice your opinions and I'll post mine and we'll both be on our merry way!... I didn't mean to say that they meant to "attack" anyone's religion… No hard feelings, anyone!
…Please, my point in making this thread was simply to point out my reasons for not liking the Ori and for other people to think about what I have to say and maybe even for TPTB to see it and think about it. As their reason for the Ori was to make people think, it's my reason for making this thread. 
. Yes, I know it's just a show and what they say or do doesn't really matter, but if they continue to make me uncertain and confused about this whole thing then I may just stop watching it. Because, yes, it is just a show and I am just a fan and this fan is just going to stop being one if TPTB don't do something about it! 
), because a) the davinci code is very different to Stargate and the Ori, and b) there hasn't been any promotion about the Ori. I think they are just an evolution and a step up from the Goa'uld. Simply put, it is hard to convince someone they are not a god when they can bring someone back from the dead and cure disease? You really can't, so then there's a chance you cna loose.
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