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    Guns: New vs Old

    This weekend and week thsu far ahas been very busy for me so I never got around to watching last Friday's episodes until this evening. I noticed some very interesting changes in the arsenal of the SG teams.
    FN P90 vs HK Mp-7
    The first I noticed was the new PDW SG-1 was using throughout the episode; the Heckler and Koch Maschinenpistole 7. Thus far through the television series SG-1's primary off world weapons have been either the FN P90 or the HK Mp5. This was the first time the Mp7 has been used in the show. Is it for better or worse?
    Both caliburs are designed for several things; high rate of fire, compact and light chasis, and armor piercing capability.
    Pros
    -The Mp7 is both smaller and lighter than the P90
    -Its bullets are considerably smaller, giving it a higher velcocity than the P90
    -Its stock is retractable and adjustes to several lengths most comfortable for the shooter
    -The longer picatinny rail on top of the gun allows for larger scopes or accessories that could otherwise get in the way of the Magazine slot on the P90
    -Its Rate of fire is 50 rounds more than that of the P90
    -It uses more conventional magazines, allowing the possibility of high-capacity clips, which is impossible for the P90 to achieve.
    Cons
    -The Mp7's barrel is 83mm shorter than the P90's, affecting both accuracy and range
    -The P90's round is over a 1mm wider than the Mp7's, and uses more gun powder charge, which can deal more damage and increase range and accuracy
    -Unlike the P90, the Mp7's shell extration is located on the right side of the gun(like most firearms), making it difficult for left-handed shooters, as they are rained on by shells as they fire. The P90 is perfectly ambidextrous, as its shells drop out from the bottom fom the gun.
    -The P90 has a polymer magazine, allowing the user to see how many rounds are left in a magazine. Mp7 doesn't.
    -Standard Mp7 magazines come in sizes of 20 or 40 rounds, standard P90 magazines are in 50 rounds.
    Final Verdict
    Although the P90 and Mp7 are both calssified as PDW weapons, they can both out do each other under the right circumstances. Overall the P90 is best balanced, with better range and accuracy and a rate of fire thats nothing to be ashamed of(900 rounds a minute), the P90 is still my choice.

    Armalite M16A2 vs HK G36
    Something I noticed from the episodes two weeks ago was the use of the HK G36 instead of the Armalite M16A2. Both assault rifles have ambidextrous operations, picatanny rails, and 40mm grenade launcher attachments. Both use the 5.56x45mm NATO or .223 Remington catridge.
    Pros
    -The G36 is lighter and shorter than the M16A2
    -The G36 has a collapsable stock, allowing easier maneuverability in small spaces than the M16A2
    -The G36 standard includes a small magnifying scope for short range shooting as well as iron-sights for regular fire.
    -The G36 has three rates of fire: Semi Auto, Burst(3 round) and Full Auto. The M16A2 only has Semi and Burst by default.
    -The G36 has many different length barrels. G36E(480 mm), G36K(320 mm), and G36C(228 mm). This allows the G36 to be used in the role of a Light Machine gun, Assault rifle, and or Carbine rifle all while using the same reciever.
    -The standard G36 magazine is made of polymer, allowing the user to see how many rounds are left in the magazine.
    Cons
    -The G36(in any version) has a shorter barrel than the M16A2, affecting accuracy and range
    -The M16A2 uses STANAG magazines that fit for most NATO rifles.
    Final Verdict
    There is really no contest between the two. The operation of the G36 is so much superior to the M16's that the extra barrel length hardly makes a difference. It is much more reliable than the M16 series, and HK developers said that in one case is had fired over 25,000 rounds without being cleaned before it ever jammed. The M16A2 could never match that. Overall the G36 is simply a much better firearm.

    Got to go now, but later tonight i'll talk about Cameron Mitchell using the Striker shotgun instead of the USAS-12 or SPAS-12, and SHeoppard switching sidearms to the 1911.

    What do you all make of the sudden gun-switches?

    Edit:
    Update

    Next in the gun versus is the South African Protecta. The appearance of this shotgun supprised me, because it was the first time I recall seeign someone use a shotgun in an assault op. They've used the Franchi SPAS-12 and USAS-12 many times before, namely against the Replicators.
    USAS-12 vs Proctecta/StrikerThe real versus between all these guns is the USAS-12 and the Protecta/Striker series, as they are both desigend to be manual-free shotguns, allowing the user ot fire round after round without having to reload. Although the SPAS-12 is capable of semi-automatic fire, it does not have the large capacity magazine that the Protecta and USAS-12 does.
    Pros
    -The Striker series is lighter and shorter than the USAS-12
    -The Striker by default has a shorter barrel, allowing more spread when fired with buck shot rounds. Better for suited for close quarters
    -The Striker has a folding stock, making it even more perfect for close combat situations.
    -The Striker does not have a shell ejection system, the expended cases must be manually removed from the cylinder magazine, which can be advantageous to missions in which no trace should be left behind(although why use a shotgun in such a case, I don't know...)
    -Unlike the USAS-12, the Striker does not use the combustion gas of the shotgun round to operate the mechanics of the reloading process. This can make a supprising difference in range and accuracy when using Slug or non-letahl rounds.
    Cons
    -The Striker's shorter barrels, while ideal for close quaters, is less practical for assualt missions, as the shot's threat range will rapidly decrease while the spread gets wider.
    -The Striker's reload time could be called terrible compared to the USAS-12.
    -The complicated cylinder reloading system of the Striker can sometimes skip ammunition when in full auto mode
    -If there is a dud round, the shotgun shell would still be stuck in the cylinder, making for a very dangerous situation, as it could potentially go off while the user has to remove it.
    -The default Magazine holds 12 shotgun shells, while the USAS-12 has both 10 and 20 round magazines.
    -The Striker shotgun's collapsable stock absorbs 30-40% less recoil than the the USAS-12's full stock
    Final Verdict
    Theres not much to be said here. In close quater hall ways and houses, the Striker is more suited, but in such a case the SPAS-12 could be used. And on the battlefield the USAS-12 remains supreme. I don't see any room in the SGC's armory for the Striker. Its complicated design deducts reasonably from its usefulness as a fully-automatic shotgun.

    *Spoiler*
    In last week's episode Sheoppard was possessed by an alien entity, but before that happened, he handed over his weapons to McKay. I immediatly reconized the lack of visible barrel on his sidearm, and the appearance of a shell ejector. The design was clearly of the M1911A1 series. From teh angle, it was impossible to tell exactly what model or manufacturer it ws by, but judging by the color it may have well been the Kimber Custom series, commonly used by Special forces agencies across the country including the Los Angeles SWAT team.
    Beretta M9 vs M1911A1
    The only sidearm i've seen SG personnel using thus far in teh show has been the BEretta M9. Its currently the standard sidearm for all military personnel(but not for long; the Marines are switching back to the 1911 within the year). Comparing these guns is like comparing two gems. Both are superb, but in different ways.
    Pros
    -The M1911 series uses the much larger .45 ACP(Action COlt Pistol) calibur. With a bullet nearly half an inch wide in diameter, this round is devastating to unarmored opponents, knocking them down with the force of a sledge hammer.
    -The M1911 Is very thin, and very light in design.
    -It has both a trigger lock, and a safety lever that must be squeezed for the trigger to work, which can significantly cut down the amount of mis-fires
    -The operation of the gun is geniusly simplistic, and the chances of a 1911 jamming is slim to none while kept mantained, and remains very slim even when not cleaned.
    -The large bullet is very slow, and severly decreases the possibility of over-penetrating(so the bullet will stop when it hits the target, and wont go through to hit a hostage or friendly).
    -The chances of the .45 penetrating a ship hull(space craft, submarine, or otherwise) is also very slim.
    -The 1911 has been used since world war one(the year 1911, actually), and the ammount of modifications and customization for the 1911 is ridiculous. The only limits to customizing a 1911 is your imagination and your funding.
    Cons
    -The .45 ACP is a snail compared to the 9x19mm round of the Beretta as far as speed goes. The velocity of a .45 has actually been compared to an air gun.
    -The accuracy and range of a .45 over a longer distance is drasticly less than that of a 9mm
    -The 1911 hold less than half as many rounds as the Beretta(standard 1911 magazines hold 7 rounds, the Beretta holds 15)
    -The 9mm has some armor-piercing capabilities, the .45 has none whatsoever
    -The recoil of a Beretta is less than that of a 1911
    -The exposed barrel of the Beretta is a mixed blessing; it allows shorter cooling times when fired consecutivly, but can also be harmful to the touched after it had been fired.
    Final Verdict
    Both handguns are among the best in the world, and are suited for different situations. Although niether will be effective against armored units(neither the 9mm or .45 can pierce a Class I Kevlar vest), the 9mm can still be modified with teflon(spelling?) coatings and steel cores to give it AP capabilitys. The BEretta is an all around good pistol, and the .45 is a great pistol in specific areas. Overall, the Beretta M9 is a safe choice, and many people like to play it safe. Personnaly though, i'd take the 1911 any day of the week.
    Last edited by youngtusk87; 17 February 2006, 02:16 PM.
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    #2
    I think the p90 is better than the mp7 (Except Teal'c daul wielding ) But the g36 is far superior to the m16 or m4.

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      #3
      Nice

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        #4
        has anyone noticed how retarded every wepon accept the human wepons look in the show? a staff thats 6 feet long? a little snaky thingy that folds? more staffs... and even the alterans had little vacume cleaners... and seeing as how theyr all new... id say however u go the older something is.. the cooler.. i.e. sword vs. gun
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          #5
          Yeah, I really hate those victorian lamp "phaser guns" the Lantians were using...

          Or maybe those "rail gun" -like things used in the movie True Lies.
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            #6
            there is simply a limit to a guns use.. and then its size... and shape... make it look cool at least... something that looks like a 9mill or something
            "I'm still trying to understand, how you thought it was a good idea to test this device by having someone throw you off a balcony."
            "Oh, believe me that's not the first thing we tried."
            "I shot him. In the leg."
            "I'm invulnerable."
            "Aren't you the one who's always spouting off about how proper and careful scientific procedure must be adhered to?"
            "In-vul-ner-able!"

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              #7
              imo g36 is better than any other used by sg1

              but p90 owns the mp7

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                #8
                I'm glad to see them switch the side arm to the 1911. Can't help but think what would of happened if Everett had been using a .45 cal 1911 instead of the 9 mil.

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                  #9
                  I like the weapons switch. The P-90's are really cool but they've been using them for years now. The MP7's and G36 add veriety. Maybe it would be good if they often changed. Go back to the P-90 for a couple of eps then back to the G36. Keep rotating and match the weapons to any given situation instead of sticking to one all the time.
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                    #10
                    I defiently approve of the G36 switch, as the G36K is one of m favorite rifles in the world. THe Mp7 is a bit weak in my opinion. Although yes, variety is good, the Mp7, like the P90 is a specialist weapon, used for very particular situations, and theres no reason to need both.
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                      #11
                      I think that the New guns are really cool, they look very nice and are apparently just as good spec wise as the P-90. the point about our guns looking the best is a simple case of that the goauld had no taste! and no responsibility to keeep jaffa alive...
                      The p-90 has severed us well but we kinda going in to a new era of the Sg program, the old years are over, jack is gone, the promethius is gone , the goauld are gone...not its the time of the MP7, mitchel, vala and the oddesey.
                      bring it on.
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                        #12
                        a gun is a gun... they all shoot projectiles... I SAY WE GET INVISIBLE GUNS....
                        "I'm still trying to understand, how you thought it was a good idea to test this device by having someone throw you off a balcony."
                        "Oh, believe me that's not the first thing we tried."
                        "I shot him. In the leg."
                        "I'm invulnerable."
                        "Aren't you the one who's always spouting off about how proper and careful scientific procedure must be adhered to?"
                        "In-vul-ner-able!"

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                          #13
                          Those new guns where nice, hope they'll use them more often.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by XxDark-LordxX
                            a gun is a gun... they all shoot projectiles... I SAY WE GET INVISIBLE GUNS....
                            because that would help...they would just shoot use for being unarmed! how about we go invisible and get some real damage in.
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                              #15
                              i think the ancients should come down and give all the SGS members a telekenetic ability. so they wont have to use guns, they can just make there enemies fly away, break all there bones, or something, telekenitics rule.

                              j/k. but seriouisly. its all a mater of opinion to a soldeir, he may like the p90, or another weapon, its just what they prefere, personally, i like a zat.
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