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**Merrin_Delaney** · 06 March 2005, 01:53 AM

Heee, the very last one. Now I'm thinking we should have put that into spoiler space

*edits*

**emily_reich** · 06 March 2005, 02:05 AM

put what into spoiler space???

so is that

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**Angelique** · 06 March 2005, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by emily_reich

put what into spoiler space???

so is that

Spoiler:

I had to go look it up, but he IS in Threads!

Just for the opening though.

**emily_reich** · 06 March 2005, 02:11 AM

OMG!!!!!

i SOOO did not know that!!!

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**Angelique** · 06 March 2005, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by emily_reich

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**emily_reich** · 06 March 2005, 02:42 AM

ok, i put this in the baal thread so we can continue this discussion there (and i have some thoughts about his lack of evil-ness and genuinely doing something good in there

) so that this thread can stay as much on topic as possible

**Merrin_Delaney** · 06 March 2005, 02:49 AM

Right. Back to the Ba'al/Sam love

What conviced me the most was actually the fact that Ba'al wouldn't stop smiling at Sam. And the good luck-thing just about killed me dead.

**emily_reich** · 06 March 2005, 02:56 AM

ditto and ditto!!!

also the fact that he was willing to risk getting in BIG trouble with anubis for helping them destroy the replicators rather than just saying no and instead letting them destroy the device which would allow baal to go on living happily and not get in trouble beyond failing in the mission....

what's my point here... i think sam saw he's not just an evil monster... he's not ONLY a pretty funny guy (

), but he doesn't take this whole god thing seriously AND is willing to stick his neck out, at least a bit, to help someone else

...

i mean, like i said, she shows real concern for him (and the mission i suppose) when his hologram fizzles a bit... she asks "what's the matter"... the matter seemed a bit more personal and caring and concerned than i expected when she's talking to an enemy... (this helped sell it

)... i would have expected something like a colder "what's the problem?" or "what's going on?"....

i also think he warmed to the idea and agreed to help when sam said "no one's trying to deny that we're mortal enemies here"... i think he liked the attitude...

just look at the turnaround he has going from "the thought of that makes me sick" and an argument between him and sam over the virus to "i can't believe i'm considering cooperating"

Sam: Look, if we can do this and somehow hit the replicators all at the same time, we think it will work... but we need your help.
Baal: You want me to reprogram the stargate to dial every gate in the galaxy simultaneously?
Sam: I know you used the gate's automatic update program to diceminate a dialing prgram virus to the entire network.
Baal: With a virus you initially planted in my stargate.
Sam: No one's trying to deny that we're mortal enemies here.... can you do it or not?
Baal: I cannot believe I'm even considering cooperating with a female of the Ta'uri... and a Tok'ra!"
Selmak: This was not my idea... believe me.
Baal: I'll instruct my troops to land

and then the look of "she's good" when she says he can tell her what to do... he thought he could get around and land some troops but she was too smart for it, and he was like "oh, well that works too"

i think it's love

and i say a guy like that is worth dumping 8 years of ship buildup for

**Merrin_Delaney** · 06 March 2005, 03:12 AM

*nodnod* What you said.

I also liked how she sorta went against her dad. He whines about Ba'al and she tells him to 'just keep working', instead of saying 'I know how you feel' or something to that effect. PTB handed us this one on a silver platter, methinks. She even thanks him, for Christ's sake.

PS: That's quite the shipper manifest you wrote there

**emily_reich** · 06 March 2005, 03:19 AM

shipper manifest, eh??

i like it!

honestly, if i can't analyze or dig deep into a character or ship, i don't usually like it/them

yeah... didn't even think about that!! she does kinda take baal's side when her dad gripes...

go sam! woo!!

forgot she thanks him (

*smack forehead* duh! how could i forget that!

)

yeah... again, more sincerity in that thank you too

nothin in her voice that says "wish we didn't NEED you to help us, but thanks for the help since we did"... it was definately more of a "glad you helped us... didn't realize you were such a not-so-evil guy! can't believe i didn't hate working with you" kind of thing

**Merrin_Delaney** · 06 March 2005, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by emily_reich

shipper manifest, eh??

i like it!

honestly, if i can't analyze or dig deep into a character or ship, i don't usually like it/them

*snicker* Proving our ship does have a basis, yes? *g*

In my opinion this scene:
Sam: We almost got it. Thanks for the help.
Ba'al (does a doubletake): Good luck.
really says it all. He cannot believe his ears and just acts out of impulse. Funny that the first thing he thinks of is wishing his 'hated enemy' good luck, eh?

**emily_reich** · 06 March 2005, 03:53 AM

hmm.... never thought of it as doing a doubletake

you could be right!! he does kinda take a pause, doesn't he!! maybe the almost-wink was a "you're welcome" as well as a "good luck" and a "you're not so bad afterall" but he only voiced the "good luck"...

so do ya think if she hadn't said thanks that he may not have said good luck?? perhaps seeing that she too didn't mind working together made it ok for him to admit it too

and you notice he waits an extra beat after saying good luck to start walking and turn the transmitter off... one extra, last look perhaps??

maybe doing another doubletake, or maybe waiting to see the reaction to him saying good luck... or maybe just hated to be leaving (for whatever reason), or got caught up in the moment...

but there was a pause there... and it seemed like some kind of hesitation to me...

but still, jacob's "that was just creepy" cracks me up

lol... i think he noticed that last exchange was a bit flirty

i mean, i suppose a human thanking a goauld for helping (as opposed to something like"thanks for not killing everyone on my planet"

) does seem a bit flirty

and the fact that it was genuine

makes my shipper heart jump with joy!

**Merrin_Delaney** · 06 March 2005, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by emily_reich

so do ya think if she hadn't said thanks that he may not have said good luck??

Yeah, well... he IS a Goa'uld, after all. It's not in their nature to be concerned about others or wish them well. And you could tell it threw him a little.

but there was a pause there... and it seemed like some kind of hesitation to me...

Hmm. After he said 'Good luck' he nods slightly. Is that what you meant? Looked to me as if he was making sure his words were understood - to underline them, if you will.

but still, jacob's "that was just creepy" cracks me up

Because he totally caught on to them flirting

I'm with you on that one.

Also, did you notice how when he tells them he can't stay any longer, he seems genuinely sorry? Which, in turn, led to Sam being all 'That's cool, don't worry about it. We almost got it. Thanks for the help." He actually risked his life and stayed as long as possible to help them (or to spend more time with Sam

)

**Angelique** · 06 March 2005, 04:36 AM

You guys are making me like Ba'al more and more!

**Merrin_Delaney** · 06 March 2005, 04:40 AM

Dude, that's the general idea

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