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[GateWorld]

STAR TREK: DISCOVERY - SEASON THREE
OUTSIDE
EPISODE NUMBER - 313

As Saru and the away team attempt to lead Su'kal to reconcile with his past, Burnham leads Discovery's skeleton crew in an effort to retake the ship from the Emerald Chain.

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[lopo30]

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I was fighting with sleep trough out most of the episode.
The part where most of the star fleet ships were fighting discovery and the general or what ever the dude in the station was saying go all out on discovery. It should of not lasted even 30 seconds with all the fire power from all the future tech ship.

Well now they had super powerful shields that were no match for the other ships.

Oh yeah and book can make the spore drive work cause he is super powered too.
Never mind that they just found the right place to jump in the future in right time to get Mighty Sue in front of book ship.
The only being in the future galaxy that have the right powers for the ship to jump.


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They have basically built there ships for turbo lift system for so large ships and have so much wasted space.
Some how this feels like discovery is tardis

And the most ending where the ship looks like it has legs from some isekai mecha anime
The very ending of the episode

[Kilgharrah]

I have to say, I really like Adira.

I loved the Saru su'kal dynamic.

The doctor played by Kenneth Mitchell intrigues me.

I also liked the teamwork scenes of the senior officers.

It's nice that someone can take the load of operating the spore drive off of stamets, but will he like this? Maybe he liked it being exclusive to him.

I understand that Saru is away for a while to take care of Su'kal, but why would they take the captaincy of discovery from him? I know he wanted her to Captain discovery but where would that leave him?

Oded Fehr doesn't know what to do with his hands while acting. This gives the feeling that he's an amateur and I know he's not. So what's wrong?


I hate that Tilly so easily gave up the captaincy to Michael after she saved them.
Anyway, she's still beginning her journey and that time she gave the chair a try will prove useful in the future.

I don't like that Michael is captain now. She keeps doing the wrong thing and always ends up back in that chair. She keeps getting forgiven.
The words the admiral said to her at the end are the exact opposite of what he said to osyrra when he refused the alliance.

That quote at the end... Wow.

[lopo30]

Tilly got the idea from Mighty how to save the day so she fallowed orders.
Saru stepped down to stay with the other kalpin guy like he promise so he cant stay with the crew
And ship needed new captain so only logical option have always being Mighty

[Kilgharrah]

Mighty?

[Gollumpus]

The most important point which needs to be discussed is, who is/was the first person to say, "I don't believe in the no win scenario", Kirk or Burnham?

Does Burnham get credit because in her regular time she pre-dates Kirk, even though when we see her speaking that line she is around 900 years in Kirk's future?

regards,
D.

[Kilgharrah]

You always come up with these points of discussion that will eventually add nothing, but I'll let you have it this time.

They now have access to the federation databases and they know at least all about the highlights of the past 900 years. So it's safe to say they know all about kirk now. And don't forget Kirk's and Spock's lives are intertwined and she looked her brother up as soon as she got access to the databases.

[cosmichobo]

If this has been the end of Discovery - I'd have been happy.

That's not to say I'm not interested in seeing more - but that final episode of S3 really felt like it both closed off a lot of loose ends, and kind of came full circle. If Michael hadn't been in trouble originally, she'd potentially have made captain by now...

(Although of all the characters, I find hers hardest to really engage with... though it's getting better. Just a hang up from The Walking Dead days...)

Is the closing music of Discovery normally THAT music?? I think Netflix usually closes it off before playing...

Interesting to read just now that there's 2 confirmed spin offs from Discovery - Pike's Enterprise and Georgiou's Section 31...

[Kilgharrah]

That's the closing credits of TOS.
It's kind of a special ending for this episode.
I think it also happened at the season 1 finale.

[P-90_177]

So after a few days to let this one sink in I'll do my usually weighing in.

In my personal view this was a weaker season finale than season one and two. There were a lot of good points. Particularly with Tilly and the rest of the Bridge Crew, but given how the previous episode was laid out it felt a little two action orientated. Killing Osyrra shouldn't have been the endgame. It should have been capturing her and bringing her to justice and then going ahead and signing a treaty with the Emerald Chain like she suggested.

Like I noted before I'm also not convinced Michael has earned her captaincy BUT, I do like how Saru chose to step down. I hope to that end that when Season 4 Starts we will see Saru come back and take over as Captain again, possibly with Burnham maintaining her rank but taking the number one spot (Think like how Kirk and Spock were both Captains in movies 5 and 6). I also think I missed Saru's presence heavily in the episode itself. I mean yeah sure he was doing his thing with Su'Kal but I believe not having him and Hugh and Adira solving the emergency with the rest of the team took away something. Same with Stamets. It took something away from it. That being said I will watch the season back to back at some point and see how it works with it all being watched together.

On the whole. I enjoyed it. It was fine. It just lacked a little oomph.

Also the turbolift bit even I have to admit is really quite stupid.

Apparently there is a engineering space in the stardrive section a little ways back from the shuttle bay that takes up around eight decks. It's what we were seeing in season 2 with the exposed turbolift scenes that seemed out of place. This explanation actually worked for me because even the Enterprise D was supposed to have large sections off it that were unfinished to allow for mission specialisation. It makes a lot of sense. But the way it was shown in this episode just seemed far too big.

I have seen one person argue that being 32nd Century technology it is possible that they are using similar means to make the internal structure of Discovery Bigger as the timeship seen in Enterprise season two. The episode 'Future Tense' with the ship that is bigger on the inside... It's an idea... Buuuut I don't quite buy it.

But ah well.

Still can't wait for next season... Even with those new uniforms.

[lopo30]

I have seen one person argue that being 32nd Century technology it is possible that they are using similar means to make the internal structure of Discovery Bigger as the timeship seen in Enterprise season two. The episode 'Future Tense' with the ship that is bigger on the inside... It's an idea... Buuuut I don't quite buy it.

As they had the lift shaft same in season 2 when they were not in the future.
That timeship in Enterprise was around same time they jump into the future but they are not in the same universe anymore.
In Enterprise there was no burn of the dilithium for the future. And up to that date we didnt even have Kelvin timeline that is Romulan solar system blow up. I dont exactly understand why Romulan solar system needed to blow up for Picard series.
Like Kurtzman want to combine all the universes to one for the picard series and have the kelvin timeline in it too.
Kelvin timeline works for JJ movies as it's basically reboot of the Star Trek in movies format.

While discovery is meant to be in canon with the original series as it's before TOS era.
It would of been simple and less question if they only would of just said that it wont be in canon with TOS and be new universe as a reboot of star trek tv show. Especially as this show is mostly built up for CGI bling and action with swearing

[Kilgharrah]

The Romulus destruction is an event set in stone in the original timeline even if it was the event that drove the creation of the Kelvin timeline by an avenging romulan.

[cosmichobo]

The Turbolift thing... all I could think of was Monsters Inc...

[Kilgharrah]

Comsmichobo you're right.

[lopo30]

The Turbolift thing... all I could think of was Monsters Inc...

Total Recall remake had it better then monster inc
To compare with

[P-90_177]

As they had the lift shaft same in season 2 when they were not in the future.
That timeship in Enterprise was around same time they jump into the future but they are not in the same universe anymore.
In Enterprise there was no burn of the dilithium for the future. And up to that date we didnt even have Kelvin timeline that is Romulan solar system blow up. I dont exactly understand why Romulan solar system needed to blow up for Picard series.
Like Kurtzman want to combine all the universes to one for the picard series and have the kelvin timeline in it too.
Kelvin timeline works for JJ movies as it's basically reboot of the Star Trek in movies format.

While discovery is meant to be in canon with the original series as it's before TOS era.
It would of been simple and less question if they only would of just said that it wont be in canon with TOS and be new universe as a reboot of star trek tv show. Especially as this show is mostly built up for CGI bling and action with swearing

Discovery is currently is in the latest point we've ever seen in the Trek timeline so the reason they never mention the Burn in Enterprise is because it hadn't happened yet. They also never mention the Romulans at all in that regard so the destruction of Romulus which occurred in the Prime Timeline is still perfectly in keeping with canon. Hell they even keep the destruction of Romulus in Star Trek Online which treats itself as a sequel to Prime.

And we do see the lift shaft in season 2 but to a much smaller degree. That's what I was talking about in regards to the aforementioned service space which is on Discovery's deckplans. In season 2 it makes sense. It was just far too big as shown in the season 3 finale.

It's canon. It's the same universe. There was never any need for a reboot.

[lopo30]

Discovery is currently is in the latest point we've ever seen in the Trek timeline so the reason they never mention the Burn in Enterprise is because it hadn't happened yet. They also never mention the Romulans at all in that regard so the destruction of Romulus which occurred in the Prime Timeline is still perfectly in keeping with canon. Hell they even keep the destruction of Romulus in Star Trek Online which treats itself as a sequel to Prime.

And we do see the lift shaft in season 2 but to a much smaller degree. That's what I was talking about in regards to the aforementioned service space which is on Discovery's deckplans. In season 2 it makes sense. It was just far too big as shown in the season 3 finale.

It's canon. It's the same universe. There was never any need for a reboot.

Burn happened 120-160 years before the Discovery timeline latest point
So if they are around 3240 year then it happened in 3080 or something.

Now for the Romulus part. I dont have any books for Star Trek and i dont play the online game or have played any of the Trek games. Was the Romulus solar system explosion anywhere mentioned before the JJ movies ?

After the movies they can write it in what ever canon.
But then again it was only a solar system that should not affect so devastatingly to a Empire like they made it out to be in the shows. As we didnt much get to know how it was for the movies.

And well to be honest books have never affected anything for Star Trek TV shows or movies.

[P-90_177]

Burn happened 120-160 years before the Discovery timeline latest point
So if they are around 3240 year then it happened in 3080 or something.

Now for the Romulus part. I dont have any books for Star Trek and i dont play the online game or have played any of the Trek games. Was the Romulus solar system explosion anywhere mentioned before the JJ movies ?

After the movies they can write it in what ever canon.
But then again it was only a solar system that should not affect so devastatingly to a Empire like they made it out to be in the shows. As we didnt much get to know how it was for the movies.

And well to be honest books have never affected anything for Star Trek TV shows or movies.

3069 was when the Burn happened. Before that the latest point in time we have any info on was 3052 which is the year Daniels transports Archer too at the end of Discovery season one and gets trapped. Daniels describes it as being his time. So anything after that point is fair game and is why it's pointed out in Discovery that Time Travel has basically been outlawed following the Temporal Wars covered in ENT.

No Romulus wasn't described as destroyed prior to the JJ movies but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Romulus is never described at all in any of the other stories set in the future. The closest we get is Q's Alternate future in All Good Things where the older Picard recollects that the Neutral Zone no longer exists and the Klingons have taken over the Romulan Empire. The why could quite easily be due to Romulus being gone.

Rome was only a city in a vast Empire. It's sacking and burning still led to the fall of the Romans. That's what happens when an Empire has its seat of power focused in one place. We even have precedent for this as the Entirety of Star Trek VI is about the fear the the Klingon Empire will fall apart due to the loss of one power generating moon and the ecological destruction of their Homeworld as a result. Empires center themselves in one place. All resources and wealth are drawn to that location and all logistics and decision making is carried out from there. When that location falls then so will an Empire.

[Teddybrown]

This may be a really silly question and might be answered due to my lack of Star Trek knowledge but where were the Klingons in season 3? Has something happened to them at this point?

[P-90_177]

This may be a really silly question and might be answered due to my lack of Star Trek knowledge but where were the Klingons in season 3? Has something happened to them at this point?

We don't know is the simple answer. Klingons were never mentioned even in regards to what was going on in the 29th and 30th Centuries.