The Covid19 thread

[SGalisa]

Here in NYC all it would have taken to infect the population the way that it did, would have been one person with the virus taking mass transit into Manhattan (that one person could have come into contact with hundreds of people during his/her commute, and each one of the those people could have come into contact with hundreds more people during their day). Early on it wasn't really known how they virus worked, how quickly it spread, its incubation period, when people were contagious, ect.

Howdy neighbor!
That issue about spreading this virus is one of the main concerns I and many other people have been asking. Once the quarantine is over, and TPTB give the OK to return to work, etc., it will only take ONE person (or one live specimen of this nasty bug) from somewhere on this entire planet to carry the COVID-19 virus and start spreading it all over again. Then what? We're all screwed.

[VampyreWraith]

Howdy neighbor!
That issue about spreading this virus is one of the main concerns I and many other people have been asking. Once the quarantine is over, and TPTB give the OK to return to work, etc., it will only take ONE person (or one live specimen of this nasty bug) from somewhere on this entire planet to carry the COVID-19 virus and start spreading it all over again. Then what? We're all screwed.

Hey Since we call can't stay home indefinitely, that will be a problem, but I don't think we'd all be screwed. There are ways to help lessen exposure, but but since some people are just nasty(dirty) and selfish it won't be completely affective. People should cover their cough, wash, their hands, not touch their face, avoid going to work if they're sick (or get tested to see what they have before returning to work), not wipe their nasty snot filled hands all over the place, things like that. People over 70 and people at high risk should probably stay home a little longer than healthy younger people just to see how things go. Hopefully the hospitals will have what they need to treat new cases, since hopefully a lot of the patients that were hospitalized will have recovered and be at home by that time.

[SGalisa]

re: COVID-19 virus on physical surfaces possibly being weighed in as a catalyst / excuse to produce a new, digital money/wallet system...

Well, it seems the USA is on target very soon to set into place a digital monetary buying and selling system. It would replace ALL paper money and perhaps coin too, and resolve the paranoia over getting hideous germs or a lethal virus, such as the COVID-19 trumpet/crown shaped virus, from physical human to human contact. Well, that is one of the excuses being used to create this type of "currency" system.
. . .
This Digital Dollar or currency is also known as a "digital wallet" which will be specifically *assigned* to every family who receives it in their bank accounts...

The amazing part of this whole creation of such a digital wallet/dollar system is the speed at which it will be ultimately put into operation. Once the general public get convinced or sold on the ideas of the wonderful "health safety" features, so they don't get sick from touching things that might be contaminated, many people will probably swoon and jump at the opportunity to
"MAKE IT SO"... as Captain Picard (aka Star Trek:TNG) would say.
... that's just my extra 2 cents ...
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Again, I disagree. There are simply too many people that would refuse to accept this.
Various groups have been pushing this for a few decades. It's not going to fly.

And I wouldn't accept bitcoin or any other faux currency. What is that anyway? Some guy created his own money? Sorry, I'll pass. It's completely without value.

Apparently not without a purpose any more, even if your bank account numbers seem meaningless.
So, for clarification... I personally know several people who work on the (USA) Federal level with your printed "paper" AND "coin" money. That is in the area of people who take your OLD, disgusting, and nearly unusable paper *money* and either shred it to smitherines (sometimes made into *souvenir* products found in hollow "million-dollar" pens or paperweights), or BURN the ones in the worst conditions.

Any money received from across the ocean, often ends up destroyed because of potential counterfeits floating in the system. So, instead of sorting thru all that paper money, like it used to be done and looking under special equipment to remove the fake from the real, TPTB decided to simply shred and burn both versions out of existence completely. Yeah, I've learned a lot of this from people who keep those machines in operation, so my source(s) are extremely *reliable* (and no, I don't work there, but other people I've met in person DO)... hate to put it that way.

And (before anyone else inquires...) there have been people working in those places who have tried to steal the paper money, when they thought the cameras weren't looking, got caught and ended up being escorted out in handcuffs and obviously fired from their job (doesn't look good on a resume, FYI, anyway)... So, the rest of the workers keep their *paws* OFF and are usually very compliant in working around that stuff, because they don't want to suffer the same fate. Plus, they are *required* to have security guards assigned to them along with a tracking camera of their every movement, when they work in those rooms... So...

Anywho... the trillion dollars that Trump recently announced that were being "MADE" (or manufactured in those so-called printing presses) have been "printed" in mostly or ALL done in the Digital / Electronic realms of reality already. No more paper money trails. This is to also discourage any counterfeit wannabees from circulating new money trails, too. This paperless or cashless system is ALREADY here and it will only be a matter of time before it becomes a full time venture. Expect news of it to reach your bank accounts at a (near) future date (i.e., could be a few months or within the next few years, depends on the yo-yo's controlling these *purse* strings).

As for the rest of the money, when that runs out, it will NOT be replaced. So, this is where our USA is currently at, and why there will be some fuss over why the change in the process from people who don't want it. It is also anticipated, and being decided by upper PTB, to become a new method of tracking WHO is in the USA or traveling, where they are tracking to, and where these electronic/digital dollars are being spent at. Oh, and some of this stuff has already been in the news, but not many people are aware of it (as in that it is already being processed NOW) and integrated with the rest of your bank accounts and business operations. hmmmm...TBC

The biggest drawback to all of this is electronic Identity Thefts. Controlling that 100% is next to impossible at the moment. Thus, is why a "tracking system" of sorts with cameras in strategic locations, and other spying devices, is being designed to TRACK every person on this planet, wherever this system is installed. Remove the kinks and quirks out first, then make it totally operational. Sounds like a sci-fi movie (plot), but TPTB are extremely close to making this whole this monetary thing a working reality, whether people want it or not. Other details are also paralleling the money situation, that will make the next decade feel like a wild roller coaster ride, even during its calmer moments.

[VampyreWraith]

that's what I meant

that thing spreads like the flu & evidently flu's still around

as soon as the lockdowns end it will have free reign to return & spread again just like the flu
then what - more curfews?
seasonal curfews?
obviously that method's not viable in the long run

All the people who've been exposed to it and recover won't/shouldn't get it again. I've read that it's slow to mutate, so if that's true, a new strain shouldn't be an issue every season like the flu. Until they find a vaccine for this thing, we will most likely have periods of increased infection rates by people who have not been previously exposed to it. And like I mentioned in my other post, there are ways for people to try to limit exposure/risk, to this virus and others. Also because of what's happened/is happening now, the hospitals should be more prepared for new cases further down the line.

[SoulReaver]

All the people who've been exposed to it and recover won't/shouldn't get it again. I've read that it's slow to mutate, so if that's true, a new strain shouldn't be an issue every season like the flu. Until they find a vaccine for this thing, we will most likely have periods of increased infection rates by people who have not been previously exposed to it. And like I mentioned in my other post, there are ways for people to try to limit exposure/risk, to this virus and others. Also because of what's happened/is happening now, the hospitals should be more prepared for new cases further down the line.

that's weird I read the opposite it mutates as fast as the flu

add to this the fact that:
it spreads like the flu
it has all the symptoms of flu + 1 (dyspnea (that's the nasty one))
it's 20x deadlier

it's basically like a superflu

and just like the flu...

https://globalnews.ca/news/6623287/c...le-infections/

...you can get it more than once

[VampyreWraith]

that's weird I read the opposite it mutates as fast as the flu

add to this the fact that:
it spreads like the flu
it has all the symptoms of flu + 1 (dyspnea (that's the nasty one))
it's 20x deadlier

it's basically like a superflu

and just like the flu...

https://globalnews.ca/news/6623287/c...le-infections/

...you can get it more than once

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...t-respond-to-a

And the article you linked to says that those people probably weren't actually reinfected, but that it was a cotinuation of the infection they already had.

[SoulReaver]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...t-respond-to-a

And the article you linked to says that those people probably weren't actually reinfected, but that it was a cotinuation of the infection they already had.

they're not sure from the tone of it sounds more like wishful thinking

besides if the symptoms somehow go away then come back months later that's not a good sign either
it means the infection somehow persists & they remains carriers

this would make a several months long lockdown necessary

[SoulReaver]

at least the slow mutation's a good sign
this will be put to the test with the antivirals

as for the vaccines I'll let others test them first :|

[epg20]

i thought all the talk about toilet paper and other paper products being hoarded was just something that happened here and there, i guess i was wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+buying+videos


Why are people buying so much toilet paper?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHX3xR-Wu2A

Amid coronavirus panic, customers pack stores for household essentials and food

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkfmDxPTcZ0

Panicked shoppers have turned toilet paper into a 'rare commodity'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iisU6d3l1E0

He Bought 18,000 Disinfectants To Get Rich. It Backfired Big Time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FTnz32EtLs

Woman accidentally orders 48 boxes of toilet paper | 7NEWS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRXtWP0ehqA

[epg20]

re: COVID-19 virus on physical surfaces possibly being weighed in as a catalyst / excuse to produce a new, digital money/wallet system...



Apparently not without a purpose any more, even if your bank account numbers seem meaningless.
So, for clarification... I personally know several people who work on the (USA) Federal level with your printed "paper" AND "coin" money. That is in the area of people who take your OLD, disgusting, and nearly unusable paper *money* and either shred it to smitherines (sometimes made into *souvenir* products found in hollow "million-dollar" pens or paperweights), or BURN the ones in the worst conditions.

Any money received from across the ocean, often ends up destroyed because of potential counterfeits floating in the system. So, instead of sorting thru all that paper money, like it used to be done and looking under special equipment to remove the fake from the real, TPTB decided to simply shred and burn both versions out of existence completely. Yeah, I've learned a lot of this from people who keep those machines in operation, so my source(s) are extremely *reliable* (and no, I don't work there, but other people I've met in person DO)... hate to put it that way.

And (before anyone else inquires...) there have been people working in those places who have tried to steal the paper money, when they thought the cameras weren't looking, got caught and ended up being escorted out in handcuffs and obviously fired from their job (doesn't look good on a resume, FYI, anyway)... So, the rest of the workers keep their *paws* OFF and are usually very compliant in working around that stuff, because they don't want to suffer the same fate. Plus, they are *required* to have security guards assigned to them along with a tracking camera of their every movement, when they work in those rooms... So...

Anywho... the trillion dollars that Trump recently announced that were being "MADE" (or manufactured in those so-called printing presses) have been "printed" in mostly or ALL done in the Digital / Electronic realms of reality already. No more paper money trails. This is to also discourage any counterfeit wannabees from circulating new money trails, too. This paperless or cashless system is ALREADY here and it will only be a matter of time before it becomes a full time venture. Expect news of it to reach your bank accounts at a (near) future date (i.e., could be a few months or within the next few years, depends on the yo-yo's controlling these *purse* strings).

As for the rest of the money, when that runs out, it will NOT be replaced. So, this is where our USA is currently at, and why there will be some fuss over why the change in the process from people who don't want it. It is also anticipated, and being decided by upper PTB, to become a new method of tracking WHO is in the USA or traveling, where they are tracking to, and where these electronic/digital dollars are being spent at. Oh, and some of this stuff has already been in the news, but not many people are aware of it (as in that it is already being processed NOW) and integrated with the rest of your bank accounts and business operations. hmmmm...TBC

The biggest drawback to all of this is electronic Identity Thefts. Controlling that 100% is next to impossible at the moment. Thus, is why a "tracking system" of sorts with cameras in strategic locations, and other spying devices, is being designed to TRACK every person on this planet, wherever this system is installed. Remove the kinks and quirks out first, then make it totally operational. Sounds like a sci-fi movie (plot), but TPTB are extremely close to making this whole this monetary thing a working reality, whether people want it or not. Other details are also paralleling the money situation, that will make the next decade feel like a wild roller coaster ride, even during its calmer moments.

well from what has ben reported, covid 19 does poorly on organic surfaces like cotton, wood, paper, cardboard,, ect, so paper money being made up of mostly organic components, means that cash is pretty safe to handle, BUT, if you feel unsafe handling cash, you can always wash it, i do that from time to time, i mean cash is FILTHLY, all you need is a little warm water and some soap, dish soap will do, but so will bar soap, and swish it around for a while, then rinse it off, then you can lay it out to dry and let that be that, OR you can give it the FULL TREATMENT, and get some good old spray starch, i would suggest NIAGRA heavy duty, but what ever you choose should be fine, i spray the DAMP bills with starch, on both sides, then run over it with an iron, front and back, set on the cotton setting, since cotton scraps from the manufacture of blue jeans is used in the manufacture of the bills, along with scraps of linen, this gives those old bills that nice crisp feeling that we all love, yes it can turn that wrinkled old one dollar that gets rejected by the coke machine in to a nice crisp bill that SHOULD?... be accepted willingly by the machine, of course you don't NEED the starch, you can just use the iron while it is still damp, again on BOTH sides, , it won't be as crisp, but it will be better.

and that ends todays tip on how to care for your money buoys and gulls just remember don't leave the iron on it for TOO long , other wise you can wind up with you burning a hole the money instead of the money burning a hole in your pocket.

[VampyreWraith]

they're not sure from the tone of it sounds more like wishful thinking

besides if the symptoms somehow go away then come back months later that's not a good sign either
it means the infection somehow persists & they remains carriers

this would make a several months long lockdown necessary

It doesn't seem to be a very common thing though either way, the article you linked to reported on 2 cases that could have been a reinfection but were probably just cases of people released from the hospital before the virus had actually cleared their system and they had a relapse.

A several month long lockdown would be unnecessary (and most likely unsustainable) in most places. Around 80% of people who get it, get only mild symptoms. Lockdowns or other social distancing methods really only need to last long enough to slow the spread long enough so that hospitals don't get flooded with critically ill people all at once. If necessary, the most that should be done is periodic lockdowns, like if infection rates start to soar and hospitalization rates being to rise, lockdowns or shutdowns or whatever need to start up again.

[epg20]

ONE MORE THING...IF...you are lucky enough to get some CANS or packages of bread,tuna, lettuce... what ever, run them under some warm water, it will wash any germs and bacteria off the cans and there would be less of a chance of getting sick from them.

back before all of this started i occasionally got sick standard cold/flu and could never figure out where it came from, it took me a while, then i figured it out, it was the cans i was eating from, HEY, I'M A SINGLE GUY WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, any way, i started to rinse them off in the sink then put them away, it helped and i still do it today.

[Gatefan1976]

ONE MORE THING...IF...you are lucky enough to get some CANS or packages of bread,tuna, lettuce... what ever, run them under some warm water, it will wash any germs and bacteria off the cans and there would be less of a chance of getting sick from them.

back before all of this started i occasionally got sick standard cold/flu and could never figure out where it came from, it took me a while, then i figured it out, it was the cans i was eating from, HEY, I'M A SINGLE GUY WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, any way, i started to rinse them off in the sink then put them away, it helped and i still do it today.

Good plan, those things go through our hands in nightfill every night (though, we fill full cartons where possible). ANY product you buy that you can wash, do it. We keep the back dock as clean as possible, and we sanitize our hands roughly every hour, but wear gloves if you can as well.

[mad_gater]

All the people who've been exposed to it and recover won't/shouldn't get it again. I've read that it's slow to mutate, so if that's true, a new strain shouldn't be an issue every season like the flu. Until they find a vaccine for this thing, we will most likely have periods of increased infection rates by people who have not been previously exposed to it. And like I mentioned in my other post, there are ways for people to try to limit exposure/risk, to this virus and others. Also because of what's happened/is happening now, the hospitals should be more prepared for new cases further down the line.

And those who have gotten it and beaten it could donate samples of their blood so that a passive immunity serum could be made

[mad_gater]

well from what has ben reported, covid 19 does poorly on organic surfaces like cotton, wood, paper, cardboard,, ect, so paper money being made up of mostly organic components, means that cash is pretty safe to handle, BUT, if you feel unsafe handling cash, you can always wash it, i do that from time to time, i mean cash is FILTHLY, all you need is a little warm water and some soap, dish soap will do, but so will bar soap, and swish it around for a while, then rinse it off, then you can lay it out to dry and let that be that, OR you can give it the FULL TREATMENT, and get some good old spray starch, i would suggest NIAGRA heavy duty, but what ever you choose should be fine, i spray the DAMP bills with starch, on both sides, then run over it with an iron, front and back, set on the cotton setting, since cotton scraps from the manufacture of blue jeans is used in the manufacture of the bills, along with scraps of linen, this gives those old bills that nice crisp feeling that we all love, yes it can turn that wrinkled old one dollar that gets rejected by the coke machine in to a nice crisp bill that SHOULD?... be accepted willingly by the machine, of course you don't NEED the starch, you can just use the iron while it is still damp, again on BOTH sides, , it won't be as crisp, but it will be better.

and that ends todays tip on how to care for your money buoys and gulls just remember don't leave the iron on it for TOO long , other wise you can wind up with you burning a hole the money instead of the money burning a hole in your pocket.

the only time laundering money is a good thing