The Covid19 thread

[Falcon Horus]

If it were engineered, there'd be a Bellerophon to this Chimaera, which there isn't ... yet.

The USA is going to have to get serious and not pretend all is well cause the black hole of utter devastation economically, socially and politically is looming for you guys.

There's a lot of stupid people walking around everywhere but damn... get that act together already.

[Annoyed]

If it were engineered, there'd be a Bellerophon to this Chimaera, which there isn't ... yet.

The USA is going to have to get serious and not pretend all is well cause the black hole of utter devastation economically, socially and politically is looming for you guys.

There's a lot of stupid people walking around everywhere but damn... get that act together already.

Guess what year it is!

It's an election year here, and politics now drives everything connected to this. This whole damned thing is being manipulated for political gain by both sides. You can expect very little in the way of common sense out of us till at least next January 20th I think it is.

[Womble]

We should not be re-opening until we are to the point that masks, distancing and all that crap is no longer recommended. The reason is simple: Our population, and it sounds like yours too will not behave intelligently. Given the chance, they will do stupid things like going to bars, restaurants and in general socializing. We have seen this; it is why the current resurgence is largely youngsters who engage in such things.

Here's the thing, though: the virus is likely not going away permanently. It'll keep resurfacing and will keep needing to be suppressed. So how long do you stay locked down before the sheer starvation forces you to open up the economy?

As far as the cost, I don't know ho much your country's debt to China is, but the U.S. owes a crapload of debt to them. We should place the blame for this squarely at the proper feet, China's and nationalize that debt in order to pay the costs of this.

You know what they say. When you owe the bank $10k, you have a problem. When you owe them $10 billion, the bank has a problem.

[Annoyed]

Here's the thing, though: the virus is likely not going away permanently. It'll keep resurfacing and will keep needing to be suppressed. So how long do you stay locked down before the sheer starvation forces you to open up the economy?

You're right, we can't close everything. We have to keep the food supply chain and other absolutely essential things open.

But bars, restaurants, social gathering places and many other things are completely optional. No one ever died because they couldn't go out to a restaurant or hang out in a bar.

And then we have stupidity on this level: NY City mayor Bill Deblasio has banned all large gatherings until September EXCEPT the Black Lives Matter protests, which he has given an exemption to.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...rge-event-ban/

Although the full behavior of CV is as yet unknown, I find it highly suspect that it is smart enough not to infect or spread through protesters. And this is the mayor of the largest city in the U.S. doing this! There is no legitimate reason for this, aside from politics. (see my comment about that in a prior post)

You know what they say. When you owe the bank $10k, you have a problem. When you owe them $10 billion, the bank has a problem.

Which ties into the reason I've always said this should be called "China Virus" or similar, in order to focus people's minds on where the blame for this lies and hold "the bank" responsible. China should be in deep do-do over this.

[Falcon Horus]

Although the full behavior of CV is as yet unknown, I find it highly suspect that it is smart enough not to infect or spread through protesters.

Might that be because most of those people are wearing facemasks... just a thought.

[Annoyed]

Might that be because most of those people are wearing facemasks... just a thought.

Whereas none of the people at the activities that are closed / prohibited till September are wearing them. Riiight

My point in noting this is to point up the politically driven stupidity that our leaders will be showing.

Treat everyone the same. If Ma & Pa Kettle can't go to their bingo social, why should any other group be allowed to ignore the rules?

Oh, and this is yet another argument in favor of keeping everything locked down until the masks/distancing/etc. is no longer recommended.

[Skydiver]

The kicker to all of this is, if the vast majority of the population did their best to stay home if they can and wore masks when they know they’ll be near other people The transmission rate would go down. The whole ‘my right not to wear one’ brigade are part of the issue. NOt just in not wearing them, but in persisting in going to parties and dinners and theaters. Those living in denial are perpetrating this whole thing.

There’s a lot of ‘told ya so’ going on right now in the southern US, Texas and Florida, among others, are sadly living out the reality they pretended didn’t exist.

[Annoyed]

The kicker to all of this is, if the vast majority of the population did their best to stay home if they can and wore masks when they know they’ll be near other people The transmission rate would go down. The whole ‘my right not to wear one’ brigade are part of the issue. NOt just in not wearing them, but in persisting in going to parties and dinners and theaters. Those living in denial are perpetrating this whole thing.

There’s a lot of ‘told ya so’ going on right now in the southern US, Texas and Florida, among others, are sadly living out the reality they pretended didn’t exist.

Far too optimistic you are.

You think of it as "if the sheeple behave themselves", rather than assuming the sheeple will be idiots. They're sheeple, remember?

Go out of the gate assuming that they will be stupid.

We never should have began opening up again.

[Falcon Horus]

I agree with Annoyed ... (the world is about to end y'all) ...but as far as mask-wearing goes, we should rely on common sense.

And the "I don't want to wear a mask" crowd are just going to find out, probably the hard way, that in the end it's just gonna extend this ****-show (pardon my French) for far longer.

How much longer do they think they can keep this up?
If they're not getting sick, others will... and the longer they deny the existence of the virus or their non-existing immunity to it, the longer they're gonna have to be stuck with the masks.

[Annoyed]

I agree with Annoyed ... (the world is about to end y'all) ...but as far as mask-wearing goes, we should rely on common sense.

And the "I don't want to wear a mask" crowd are just going to find out, probably the hard way, that in the end it's just gonna extend this ****-show (pardon my French) for far longer.

How much longer do they think they can keep this up?
If they're not getting sick, others will... and the longer they deny the existence of the virus or their non-existing immunity to it, the longer they're gonna have to be stuck with the masks.

Some are starting to think & advocate for the masks becoming a permanent fixture in our lives. I don't think you can sell that to the majority of the population here.

In addition, there is serious doubt in many people's minds about their effectiveness.

Remember the dark ages, back in early March, before the CDC & others started proclaiming blatant falsehoods?

Early March, the U.S. surgeon general tweeted that masks “are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus.” Shortly thereafter, the govt. began changing their tune depending upon who was pulling their chain the time. Our governments, including the WHO & the U.S. CDC is not and has not been publishing the truth about this. They've been telling us whaatever in order to get us to behave in the way that they desire. We can and have (quite properly) told the WHO to take a hike for their falsehoods, but we can't do much about the CDC, whose chain is being yanked just as much, but by different powers.

And if this thing does turn out to be airborne, as some are starting to suspect, you can throw the masks, bandanas, bras, old t-shirts and whatever else people are covering their faces with right out the window. There won't even be an argument about whether they are effective. If the disease must travel attached to a fairly large droplet of exhaled breath, that's one thing. But airborne itself will be far smaller and harder to stop. Biohazard suits for everyone?

Certainly not all, but the majority of the people engaging in high risk activities such as concentrated socializing, eating out & going to bars and such are youngsters. While they may not be subject to high risk from the disease themselves (according to our current understanding of it), they are an effective conduit of transmission to people who are at serious risk of death or other complications.

Right now, we're seeing a very large number of new infections among the young, but few deaths. What happens in a few weeks when they've been spreading the disease around for a few weeks?

Our leaders had better tell the moneymen to take a flying leap and start closing things down again, pronto. And as I've said, keep things closed until this crap is no longer needed, be it via vaccine or some other method.

If you give people a chance to screw up, they will. We've seen that, can't be argued. So don't give 'em the chance.

[Womble]

And the "I don't want to wear a mask" crowd are just going to find out, probably the hard way, that in the end it's just gonna extend this ****-show (pardon my French) for far longer.

How much longer do they think they can keep this up?
If they're not getting sick, others will... and the longer they deny the existence of the virus or their non-existing immunity to it, the longer they're gonna have to be stuck with the masks.

Problem is, they're too effing stupid to make the connection.

I currently have two types of masks. Single-use "medical" ones for when I go into higher-risk places such as large shops, public transport, the market, and reusable cloth masks that I use for lower-risk activity like riding my scooter or taking a walk outside. The major downside is that it's hard to wear sunglasses with the mask.

[Womble]

Our leaders had better tell the moneymen to take a flying leap and start closing things down again, pronto. And as I've said, keep things closed until this crap is no longer needed, be it via vaccine or some other method.

You're advocating shutting down and keeping closed whole industries in a country with near-zero social safety net. It's replacing one catastrophe with another. USA as currently exists is ill-equipped to handle something like that because it's... how do I put it gently... not socialist enough.

[Annoyed]

You're advocating shutting down and keeping closed whole industries in a country with near-zero social safety net. It's replacing one catastrophe with another. USA as currently exists is ill-equipped to handle something like that because it's... how do I put it gently... not socialist enough.

Didn't someone say that the govt. should assist the people during a shutdown?

Now, we're gonna have to close down again. And yes, the govt.(s) should provide financial support for their people as they do this. Myself, I saw this resurgence happening as soon as it was clear that the moneymen were going to be successful, and I've been stocking up on supplies for some time now. I've got about a year's worth of toilet paper and paper towel stashed in the basement, several months worth of water, similar for canned food.

Of course the govt. should provide assistance to their citizens who are screwed because of this.

[VampyreWraith]

Yesterday was the first time since this whole thing began that nyc reported no confirmed or suspected covid deaths. NYS has one of the lowest infection rates in the country right now. Hopefully it can stay that way (probably won't happen because there are too many idiots around, but one can hope).

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...d-virus-deaths

[Annoyed]

Yesterday was the first time since this whole thing began that nyc reported no confirmed or suspected covid deaths. NYS has one of the lowest infection rates in the country right now. Hopefully it can stay that way (probably won't happen because there are too many idiots around, but one can hope).

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...d-virus-deaths

Oh, I fully expect the current resurgence will spread here, and then they will have to lock things down again.. As I noted in another post, I'm already stocking up on essentials.

We screwed up. Re-opened too early. Given the chance, people will be idiots.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-party-texas

What is a covid party, you ask?

A “Covid party” is a gathering held by somebody diagnosed with coronavirus to see if the virus is real and to see if anyone gets infected, she explained.

And people go to these!

If we want to catch this in NY, we have to stop all passenger travel into NY state, by any means. Period.

Since we won't do that, game over.