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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    loss of smell's not exclusive to covid
    flu can also cause loss of smell
    so far all your symptoms could be consistent with flu

    apparently the one to watch out for is shortness of breath that one's a Covid-exclusiv
    (the common flu never causes shortness of breath)
    I've had the flu before, like years ago, it was actually a lot worse than anything I have now, but could still smell things through my stuffy nose. I've never had this not being able to smell anything through a clear nose before, it's just weird. I don't think I've had any shortness of breath, so that's good. I could just have a very mild case of the flu or just a regular cold too or something else entirely. I'm not very concerned about it whatever it is, since it's not really bothering me. I won't be trying to go to a doctor for it and the only way I'm ever going to a hospital is if I'm on death's door (or about to give birth, but I'm not pregnant, so that's not an issue now lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    NYC (and any city of such obscene size) is by its very nature a breeding ground for diseases.
    . . .
    So if we have an exodus from NYC, what are the odds that many of those refugees are unknowingly carrying? And we also know how well they can be expected to behave at their new location if allowed to flee.
    . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    There's been no exodus though, there's been mostly people with second homes in other places going to them. Those people are the ones likely to behave....
    As for NYC folks migrating westward? IDK if there was a mass exodus, but I *did* notice several NY license plate vehicles traveling along the Pennsy/NJ side of NJ... One vehicle went into the local Shoprite along the way...! (TP invader?) Anywho, could be NYC or even NY State people visiting their families and taking care of and shopping or running errands for their grandparents or parents for the duration. IDK... Just observing what I saw. NJ is on a mandatory "shelter in place" order.

    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    I don't know what I have. I have a cough, but it was really only bad during one night. I had a slight fever for a day (it was just above what's considered a low grade fever). I'm tired and have some body aches (but those are mostly gone). I had a bit of a runny nose on the night I was coughing a lot, but not anymore. My throat feels weird, but it's not really sore or anything. I don't have a stuffy nose, but I can't really smell things the way that I'm normally able to. I haven't noticed the smell of the cats' litter box even though it has plenty in it. I also haven't been able to smell when one of my dogs goes to the bathroom in the crate (one of my dogs has a big crate lined with wee wee pads that she uses as a bathroom because she's afraid to go to the bathroom outside, she's still young and I'm trying to get her out of that habit). I pretty much just stuck my face into a bag containing soiled wee wee pads and it didn't really smell like anything lol.
    Ewwwwwwwwwww. THAT is bad!

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    loss of smell's not exclusive to covid
    flu can also cause loss of smell
    so far all your symptoms could be consistent with flu

    apparently the one to watch out for is shortness of breath that one's a Covid-exclusiv
    (the common flu never causes shortness of breath)
    Yes... here is a sort of update... with Shortness of Breath details further below...

    Okay... *some* disclosure. I *HAVE* severe allergies... to mostly anything GREEN and growing outside. That being stated, I *am* still able to smell and taste all sorts of smells and flavors. Have had these allergies since 7th grade in junior high school (about 50 years). Use a saline nose spray to clear up sinuses and keep the mucous levels low (better than drowning from a nettie pot, IMO). Still have my sense of all smells and tastes... good so far.. and I'd like to keep it that way.

    I am also post-menopause... thus, HOT flashes with fluctuating temps mostly in the 97-98 F ranges, sometimes dips into 96.range too. THAT is normal. So, been taking temp with personal thermometer and also with (costly) infra-red version. No changes. Hot flashes come every hour, sometimes 2 or 3 per every hour. Temp elevates during hot flash, dips down on cooling off. Have had this hot flash problem for 14 awful years, and on 2 other stabilizing meds, one for thyroid (due to damaged thyroid).

    Ladies with *meno* issues also sometimes get shortness of breath. When I asked my ladies group about how they were dealing with their meno issues vs. tracking any potential virus symptoms, a few mentioned the shortness of breath... but we think the meno version is ONLY for a few minutes. If a person has the virus, the shortness of breath is more constant and continuous, because the lungs do NOT recover from how this virus invades / covers the lungs from getting proper oxygen... Just a note for further study, I'm guessing.

    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    I've had the flu before, like years ago, it was actually a lot worse than anything I have now, but could still smell things through my stuffy nose. I've never had this not being able to smell anything through a clear nose before, it's just weird. I don't think I've had any shortness of breath, so that's good. I could just have a very mild case of the flu or just a regular cold too or something else entirely. I'm not very concerned about it whatever it is, since it's not really bothering me. I won't be trying to go to a doctor for it and the only way I'm ever going to a hospital is if I'm on death's door (or about to give birth, but I'm not pregnant, so that's not an issue now lol)
    Just be super careful out there... Treat all symptoms and exposures outside of your home's abode, as IF you were being exposed to this virus. It gets nastier as time progresses, from what I've heard. Complete loss of smell and taste is a PRE-symptom, then comes the fever and dry cough. Shortness of breath increases as the virus invades the lungs and multiplies itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    As for NYC folks migrating westward? IDK if there was a mass exodus, but I *did* notice several NY license plate vehicles traveling along the Pennsy/NJ side of NJ... One vehicle went into the local Shoprite along the way...! (TP invader?) Anywho, could be NYC or even NY State people visiting their families and taking care of and shopping or running errands for their grandparents or parents for the duration. IDK... Just observing what I saw. NJ is on a mandatory "shelter in place" order.



    Ewwwwwwwwwww. THAT is bad!



    Yes... here is a sort of update... with Shortness of Breath details further below...

    Okay... *some* disclosure. I *HAVE* severe allergies... to mostly anything GREEN and growing outside. That being stated, I *am* still able to smell and taste all sorts of smells and flavors. Have had these allergies since 7th grade in junior high school (about 50 years). Use a saline nose spray to clear up sinuses and keep the mucous levels low (better than drowning from a nettie pot, IMO). Still have my sense of all smells and tastes... good so far.. and I'd like to keep it that way.

    I am also post-menopause... thus, HOT flashes with fluctuating temps mostly in the 97-98 F ranges, sometimes dips into 96.range too. THAT is normal. So, been taking temp with personal thermometer and also with (costly) infra-red version. No changes. Hot flashes come every hour, sometimes 2 or 3 per every hour. Temp elevates during hot flash, dips down on cooling off. Have had this hot flash problem for 14 awful years, and on 2 other stabilizing meds, one for thyroid (due to damaged thyroid).

    Ladies with *meno* issues also sometimes get shortness of breath. When I asked my ladies group about how they were dealing with their meno issues vs. tracking any potential virus symptoms, a few mentioned the shortness of breath... but we think the meno version is ONLY for a few minutes. If a person has the virus, the shortness of breath is more constant and continuous, because the lungs do NOT recover from how this virus invades / covers the lungs from getting proper oxygen... Just a note for further study, I'm guessing.



    Just be super careful out there... Treat all symptoms and exposures outside of your home's abode, as IF you were being exposed to this virus. It gets nastier as time progresses, from what I've heard. Complete loss of smell and taste is a PRE-symptom, then comes the fever and dry cough. Shortness of breath increases as the virus invades the lungs and multiplies itself.
    They might be going to the Poconos, I have some family members with second houses out there, and know of other people with houses out there too. 20 or so years ago it was a big thing to have a house in the Poconos, the houses were inexpensive and it was a nice place to go outside of the city and it's only like a 2hr trip.

    Before everyone went crazy panic shopping, I bought a combo pack of nyquil/dayquil severe symptom from Amazon. My kids had the flu in Jan and that worked well for them, so I bought more in case any one got sick. I also bought the individual active ingredients (the cough suppressant, expectorant, the acetaminophen for fever, a nasal decongestant). We hardly go outside the house for anything except to bring in packages and to walk the dogs around the block (I'm the one usually walking them). I don't run into anyone on my walks, I live in a pretty quiet neighborhood. I occasionally see other people walking dogs, but I have to cross the street to avoid them since one of my dogs doesn't take well to seeing other dogs on walks. He apparently doesn't like joggers either, he saw one today and started carrying on.

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    Here's something I read about the loss of sense of smell.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/h...ell-taste.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    re: stretching those TP supplies a bit longer...



    Problem with newsprint and magazines, is that some people are highly allergic to the ink in those publications. It causes a nasty rash that can lead to a major skin infection. Super sensitive skin people would be better off using strips of cut-up, old T-shirts (preferably White.. no ink and easier to bleach), as TP for #1 (urine), and reserve the regular TP for #2 (poop). I think using a cut up (damp) sponge for either might work, too, but would have to be sterilized, in bleach. Bag (or "diaper pail) the used linen/cotton strips (of #1 pee) for a (later) bleach wash. Might want to hand wash that with gloves on, too. As for #2 stools or worse diarrhea... go with the real TP (flushable), but also keep some wet wipes with mineral oil or aloe on the side and do NOT flush down toilet! It messes up your own drains/septic systems, besides sewer treatment plants.

    I've been hearing that while most plumbers DO appreciate (generic) *your* business with them , they would like to avoid having to come out and fix those clogged plumbing areas, as long as this virus outbreak is active and transferable.

    Addendum... I think when semi-normalcy returns, and people are able to buy REAL TP again, I think that those who have the storage space to do so, might keep about a 3 month minimum supply on hand for the rest of their life. ugh.
    the problem with using bleach to clean the poo rags is that it will eventually run out, and bleach is one of the things being stock piled/ hoarded and it is hard to find in stores, if you want to truly re use the poo rags, you will need to ignore the stains and run them through the washing machine, then for good measure , just to be sure they are germ free, you can boil them on the stove, it may not get the stains out, but it sure as hell kill the germs.

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    Hi all,

    So here in Israel We currently have 5591 people diagnosed with the Covid-19, 97 of them in serious/critical condition and 21 died. Almost all of the dead were 70-98 year old. One of the guys in serious condition is a 23 year old athlete with no prior medical conditions.

    Outside, it's a near-total shutdown. We're allowed to leave home to go to grocery stores, pharmacies or to get urgent medical help, 85% of the economy is closed, and the maximum permitted distance for taking a walk is 100m from your house. My wife and I have managed to not get fired even though we both work in travel; someone needs to clean up the colossal mess and handle all the cancellations. We currently work from home; to be sure, it sucks. Our pay took a hit (wifey is down to 5 working days per week instead of 6, I lost the upsale bonuses since no one's buying anything) but we're staying afloat. It pays to be on the less glamorous, more technical side of the travel business. Trouble is, we just moved to a much more expensive new apartment and spent a huge amount of money buying furniture and appliances; if we lose one or both jobs now we have no financial cushion at all. Israel currently has close to 1 million people on unemployment pay out of 9 million population, and as neither of us has the skills or constitution for physical jobs like construction and neither of us has a driving license to freelance as delivery guys, taking our chances on the job market would suck big time.
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    You take care of yourself over there Womble!!
    Your next door to one of the most affected countries by this, and you have copped more cases than us. I hate being in retail, but right now it's a mixed blessing I just wish I got more hours as I'm just a casual. When we moved house 6 months ago we ended up paying more for a smaller house and having to spend 240 bucks a month on storage as well just to keep our stuff.
    Eh, what do you do?
    Is Israel introducing protections for renters? (assuming you rent)
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    Quote Originally Posted by epg20 View Post
    the problem with using bleach to clean the poo rags is that it will eventually run out, and bleach is one of the things being stock piled/ hoarded and it is hard to find in stores, if you want to truly re use the poo rags, you will need to ignore the stains and run them through the washing machine, then for good measure , just to be sure they are germ free, you can boil them on the stove, it may not get the stains out, but it sure as hell kill the germs.
    Our supply lines are getting back to some form of normality so hopefully the rest of the world will get there soon as well. We are getting bleach by the pallet load, also paper towels and toilet paper. Just hang on guys, take care of yourselves and each other. We are doing all we can to keep up, I'm buying stapes like TP and sugar for my neighbour because I work in a store and have the chance to help them out.
    Be kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Is Israel introducing protections for renters? (assuming you rent)
    I wish. For now all they're doing is asking the banks to be lenient with loans. Not requiring, asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Womble View Post
    I wish. For now all they're doing is asking the banks to be lenient with loans. Not requiring, asking.
    Man, that sucks. We currently have a 6 month moratorium on evictions, rental companies are not doing inspections and while banks are not -forced- to extend forgiveness to the GP right now (they are for businesses, especially small businesses), it's probably going to arrive within the next couple of days.
    Take care of yourself and your wife Womble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    I wouldn't know by that symptom at all. I was born without a sense of smell. Taste works fine, though.
    No smell can sometimes be a blessing...

    For example, I grew up near a field where a farmer would come every year to fertilize. In such instance, not being able to smell anything would be considered a blessing.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    or maybe you're affected & you don't know sh**
    I sincerely hope I don't get it... This is not a gamble I'm willing to take. Thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Womble View Post
    Hi all,

    So here in Israel We currently have 5591 people diagnosed with the Covid-19, 97 of them in serious/critical condition and 21 died. Almost all of the dead were 70-98 year old. One of the guys in serious condition is a 23 year old athlete with no prior medical conditions.

    Outside, it's a near-total shutdown. We're allowed to leave home to go to grocery stores, pharmacies or to get urgent medical help, 85% of the economy is closed, and the maximum permitted distance for taking a walk is 100m from your house. My wife and I have managed to not get fired even though we both work in travel; someone needs to clean up the colossal mess and handle all the cancellations. We currently work from home; to be sure, it sucks. Our pay took a hit (wifey is down to 5 working days per week instead of 6, I lost the upsale bonuses since no one's buying anything) but we're staying afloat. It pays to be on the less glamorous, more technical side of the travel business. Trouble is, we just moved to a much more expensive new apartment and spent a huge amount of money buying furniture and appliances; if we lose one or both jobs now we have no financial cushion at all. Israel currently has close to 1 million people on unemployment pay out of 9 million population, and as neither of us has the skills or constitution for physical jobs like construction and neither of us has a driving license to freelance as delivery guys, taking our chances on the job market would suck big time.
    Hopefully you do get to keep your jobs. You're quite correct, looking for work right now would royally suck. And don't turn your nose up at WAH. I did the last 8 years of my prior job at home, and it was far better than working at the office.

    Good luck to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    No smell can sometimes be a blessing...

    For example, I grew up near a field where a farmer would come every year to fertilize. In such instance, not being able to smell anything would be considered a blessing.
    Based upon the general impression I get, that "sometimes" should read "usually".

    If I had to choose a sense to lose, smell would be it. It has the least value of any sense in our modern society. The only real drawback is the inability to detect gas leaks and such. But I have gas alarms on all floors of this house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Based upon the general impression I get, that "sometimes" should read "usually".

    If I had to choose a sense to lose, smell would be it. It has the least value of any sense in our modern society. The only real drawback is the inability to detect gas leaks and such. But I have gas alarms on all floors of this house.
    Loss of sense of smell can lead to loss of taste as well as they are interconnected systems. (much like I get Excema and hay fever).
    Imagine not being able to taste your steak and scotch dude!!
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    Imagine not being able to taste your steak and scotch dude!!
    That's it, that would be the end of the world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    That's it, that would be the end of the world...
    Damn straight it would!!
    I know you say that in jest my dear, but if I could not taste my food or smell my scotch I would go frigging mad!!
    These last weeks have been enough of a test, I don't need anymore.
    I am extremely grateful however that people have started to slow their roll and are starting to appreciate what we do under, quite frankly crappy circumstances. So, for as much as I am generally pissed off with the GP, THANK YOU for realising that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Our supply lines are getting back to some form of normality so hopefully the rest of the world will get there soon as well. We are getting bleach by the pallet load, also paper towels and toilet paper. Just hang on guys, take care of yourselves and each other. We are doing all we can to keep up, I'm buying stapes like TP and sugar for my neighbour because I work in a store and have the chance to help them out.
    Be kind.
    I'm not selling insane amount of stuff in the stores either. The problem is that it will take time for production and supply chain to catch up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Loss of sense of smell can lead to loss of taste as well as they are interconnected systems. (much like I get Excema and hay fever).
    Imagine not being able to taste your steak and scotch dude!!
    Well, I've been sans sense of smell for 60+ years, and taste has always worked, so whatever killed my sniffer doesn't seem to affect taste in my case.
    Which is a good thing for the beef and booze industries.
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    I'm not selling insane amount of stuff in the stores either. The problem is that it will take time for production and supply chain to catch up
    Yep. It's 4-5 weeks of Christmas with no backup supply chain which is usually in place a month earlier beforehand. I know I am repeating myself, but folks, you NEED to get it through your head, we physically cannot keep up. We are tired, stressed, and working INSANE hours to keep up (I'm supposed to be working from 5am on Friday just to have the shop stocked for "community hour" for the older folks to have a chance to buy what they need), and I'm also asked to run the store till midnight the night before. So I get 5 hours to unwind and sleep, then have to take care of 3 kids during the time I have and make sure they are in google classrooms when they are supposed to be. I want more hours, but when people just can't cop it anymore because they are getting sick as well, the demands simply become untenable.
    That's all I want people to understand.
    We are doing our best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Man, that sucks. We currently have a 6 month moratorium on evictions, rental companies are not doing inspections and while banks are not -forced- to extend forgiveness to the GP right now (they are for businesses, especially small businesses), it's probably going to arrive within the next couple of days.
    Take care of yourself and your wife Womble.
    Thanks.

    I've managed to stock up on food and household necessities just as they panic buying was starting. Wifey made fun of me for giving in to panic, now she doesn't laugh anymore. The experience of surviving the crazy Russian 90-s really comes in handy. I figured that there was no need to plan for end of civilization or situation with no water and power, only for several weeks of not leaving the house, short-term supply disruption due to panic buying by stupid people and possibly a bug-out backpack for sudden evacuation to a hospital. The trick was to also stock up on things that I expected to double in price.

    I have a Brita jug and 6 months worth of filters, so no need to hoard bottled water. We bought about 15kg of rice, some pasta, instant mashed potatoes, 20 tins of corned beef and another 30 tins of tuna -enough to comfortably survive a couple of weeks at least without ever leaving home if necessary. The freezer is full of meat, we've got some 150 single-use face masks and about 200 disposable gloves, alcohol gel, and so long as we have water and power (and internet), we're good. I've got my electric scooter for quick shopping trips once a week to grab the things that can't be stockpiled for long term - fresh vegetables, milk, cheese, bread and eggs. I did not join into toilet paper hoarding craze and I still don't get it.
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