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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Statistically, we can't prove anything yet, they change on a daily basis but yeah, we have been more aggressive than many countries in trying to curb this outbreak. We have had some pretty big screw-ups on the path however, so I'm in no way saying our model has been the best. We are doing what we can as fast as we can and that's the best you will ever get from federal government. What has proven useful is that the state premiers (your governers) are essentially in lock-step agreement with the fed and have actually been pushing for even more aggressive actions as the infection rate rises. That's actually a lesson the US could learn, screw politics and just get crap done.
    I'll go along with that. All you need to do is look at the relief bill that is being fought over in Washington at this time to see how much politics has poisoned everything we try to do in regard to this. (as well as just about anything else). They started out with a bill to put cash in the hands of idled workers and ended up looking like a wish list.

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    No, you couldn't have because by the time the infection was really known about, it was already pretty much everywhere. Even if people started to self isolate back in January it would not have really mattered because people would have been calling it fake news or BS. That's the simple reality here Annoyed. It took deaths, isolations and an economic crater for people to take this seriously because we have not had a pandemic like this for near on 100 years.
    As I understand it, Australia began blocking travel from the outside world way early. That was your saving grace. We utterly failed there. We should have slammed the doors shut too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    Here in NYC all it would have taken to infect the population the way that it did, would have been one person with the virus taking mass transit into Manhattan (that one person could have come into contact with hundreds of people during his/her commute, and each one of the those people could have come into contact with hundreds more people during their day). Early on it wasn't really known how they virus worked, how quickly it spread, its incubation period, when people were contagious, ect.
    That's a big downside to living in overcrowded urban areas. You can't avoid catching whatever comes around. I don't know whether you like living there or not, but I couldn't stand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    Here in NYC all it would have taken to infect the population the way that it did, would have been one person with the virus taking mass transit into Manhattan
    then you've to also admit all those curfew laws will have no effect in the long run yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Of course not. We aren't supposed to talk politics.
    ah but as you know standard rules no longer apply during pandemics (laws on right to travel, assemble etc.)


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    And here is a fine example of how just about anything gets misused.

    There is a huge shortage of the medical face masks that impede the spread of crap like this.
    A group of volunteers decided to start making them at home, in order to distribute to health care workers, etc. There was apparently some sort of assistance provided by a clothing manufacturer, which had been closed down by the shutdown.
    The manufacturer went to the state and asked for permission to restart their manufacturing in order to provide raw materials for these volunteers, as I understand it. The state liked this idea, and authorized them to re-open the factory.

    Can anyone guess what happened next? (I doubt it, few of you are old enough to be this cynical yet.)

    The manufacturer realized.. "Hey, we're allowed to open the factory. Why don't we get a few sales contracts and make and sell these things ourselves." And that's just what they did. The volunteers were dismissed.

    Oh, and some of the health care workers turned their noses up at the homemade masks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    then you've to also admit all those curfew laws will have no effect in the long run yes?

    ah but as you know standard rules no longer apply during pandemics (laws on right to travel, assemble etc.)
    All the measures that have been taken here have been aimed at reducing density, which should work at slowing the spread, since there are less people that a single infected person can spread it too in any given day. Mass transit is still open, but ridership is down like 87% from the same time last year since non-essential businesses are closed and those people aren't using it to go to work. We don't have a curfew, we don't have to stay in our house, we can go out we just have to stay 6ft from others and can't gather in groups outside of our family. We will be getting our parks closed after this weekend if it's shown that people aren't staying away from each other in parks.

    Though, if by in the long run, you mean the next pandemic though, then no, the social distancing we're doing now won't help next time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    That's a big downside to living in overcrowded urban areas. You can't avoid catching whatever comes around. I don't know whether you like living there or not, but I couldn't stand it.
    Yeah, that is a downside, I grew up here though, I still live in the same house I grew up in. Where I live is pretty quiet for the most part. I'm used to it and I love the convenience of having everything I need nearby. If I want to get milk, I can walk to get it, since there are stores a few blocks from me. I live near busses and a train station, the subway isn't too far away either. I don't need to drive anywhere if I don't want to (I have a car, but I'm not a big fan of driving long distances, it stresses me out).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    Though, if by in the long run, you mean the next pandemic though, then no, the social distancing we're doing now won't help next time around.
    Bah. My idea of "proper social distancing" is several miles between houses. And that is in normal times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    Why don’t y’all stick to your experiences, how things are for you. How you are dealing with lockdowns or social distancing. How you manage to get grocery shopping done. Tips to cope with social isolation. Heck on another place people were even sharing recipes.
    Someone posted a video on my FB page of the following item...
    Someone was using a drone holding the leash to walk their dog remotely.
    When you look at the picture, the leash looked like it was photo-shopped into the air, until you saw the drone attached at the other end...

    As for social isolation / distancing...not a problem for me. I'm a born introvert. I can often entertain myself, and if not, I find things around the house to keep myself occupied enough to stay alone. There is also that techie thing, called a "phone" ... sometimes, I am conversing with a friend or family member for hours! I had to get a special headphone set many years ago, because I couldn't handle holding the phone in my hand and switching arms every 20 minutes.

    Longest phone conversation I've EVER had lasted over 5 hours! But that was because a friend of mine got herself into a troubling situation and was crying her heart out... I wouldn't get off the phone until after she calmed down and stopped crying... then I asked her to please "let us NOT do this again... let us shrink our phone time down to 2 or 3 hours from here on in, please?!" She agreed. Unfortunately, with this COVID-19 virus, I haven't heard from her for more than a month now, and the last time we talked on the phone she was coughing non-stop for 20 minutes and couldn't stop. She also has COPD, so I don't know what has happened to her or even if she was able to keep her phone (she was running out of money and living in a trailer with no toilet...just a bucket to "P" in... the phone belonged to someone else, and he didn't have enough money to pay the next bills that were coming in)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    Though, if by in the long run, you mean the next pandemic though, then no, the social distancing we're doing now won't help next time around.
    that's what I meant

    that thing spreads like the flu & evidently flu's still around

    as soon as the lockdowns end it will have free reign to return & spread again just like the flu
    then what - more curfews?
    seasonal curfews?
    obviously that method's not viable in the long run


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    Got to split these postings up, due to length...

    To ALL of you store clerks, regardless of your job position...

    I used to work (first part-time paid job ever) in retail as cashier and help out stocking shelves and doing inventory. Only in recent years, I have done volunteer work for nearly a decade now as cashier and stocking shelves. Doing that sort of work during winter/Christmas (train) rides and a few Holiday & other specials, are a nightmare with LIMITED passenger space movement (3 lines wide and more than 50 feet deep or long) with the gift shelves on both sides... Christmas season is the worst, tho for retail work...

    ...I was filling in for another (train) crew member, who called in sick, so I was trying to help a customer who claimed they picked up the wrong sized shirt and to shorten the time I went off to find the correct item rather than send the customer back while in the middle of her purchasing transactions... I had to squeeze in between those sardine packed lines by shouting "Excuse me... sorry, please Excuse me..." and that was challenging because we only had ONE register (with two staff workers), and that ONE customer was holding up the rest of the line of more than 50 other customers. So, yours truly (me) had to weave as quickly as possible (and be NICE to people NOT moving at all) between the folks still looking at both sides of the aisle and standing on line to check out. Well, thanks to this COVID-19 virus, the rides have been shut down, and there might not be any more Polar Express, at least not this year. Probably no meeting the Easter bunny (in fake fur costume) ride either.

    Yeah, we can complain about the ingrates of *social misfits* being selfish and greedy from fighting over the few FREEBIES they do get, and had a few other rude folks making life miserable by stealing other customers seats (who left to go get food or souvenirs) to change baby diapers, and then shoving the dirty diaper into the seat!! but we still love our (more friendly) customers... it gives some of them a moment to escape from the realities of a difficult life at home or work, and enjoy a few moments to rest up and enjoy the scenic ride along the way.

    (And, it is scenic countryside... my hubby dragged me onto those rides while on the way back from long distanced shopping--with him wanting to stop by and say "Hello!" to his train buddies, and then stranding me for a few hours to chat with the ladies, who eventually took 2 years for them to talk me into joining in some of the crew-work. Ummm. downside is no running water with no sink----NEED hand sanitizers and cleaning wipes!!! I bring my own TP, just in case it runs out, too..) WYSIWYG.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    ONE OTHER THING ABOUT SHOPPING!!
    If you have enough "non perishable" supplies to last you two weeks, there is no reason to hoard anymore. If you get put in personal/family lockdown, it's generally just for 2 weeks and it will give grocery store workers enough time to actually get back to normal, the supply chain will catch up and stores will be just as full as they would be on a normal weekly basis...
    May I say, *Amen!*...?
    One box of pasta noodles lasts me about 3 months. I found ways to trim my diet and eat half a bowl with a full salad on the side, than a whole bowl... more because it packs on more weight around the waist... hee, hee...

    Over the years, I also found that eating a cucumber for lunch with added almonds and shredded cheese works as a sufficient meal when at home, surprisingly. Depending on the size of the cucumber, I can split it in half or thirds and make that many lunch meals from it. Plus, I discovered that "cukes" are good for keeping the skin in healthy condition, and are full of several nutritional values too. Sometimes, I might add some lettuce to liven it up with some variety. Oh, and *cukes* are also good for controlling Edema in the legs and around the feet and ankles. . . makes the swelling go down or completely away when I eat them, so I have tried over the years to eat one portion of a cucumber at least 2 or 3 times every week.

    Unfortunately, cucumbers don't last me more than a week, so I can only buy one or 2 at a time... my hubby won't eat them, so I only buy what I can eat, when I need it and don't overstock on produce, since it goes bad anyway. AND, I have extremely limited space in our ONLY fridge/freezer combo unit. Same with meat, milk and bread. NO room in the food Inn, so I can't buy more even if I wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    Here in NYC all it would have taken to infect the population the way that it did, would have been one person with the virus taking mass transit into Manhattan (that one person could have come into contact with hundreds of people during his/her commute, and each one of the those people could have come into contact with hundreds more people during their day). Early on it wasn't really known how they virus worked, how quickly it spread, its incubation period, when people were contagious, ect.
    Howdy neighbor!
    That issue about spreading this virus is one of the main concerns I and many other people have been asking. Once the quarantine is over, and TPTB give the OK to return to work, etc., it will only take ONE person (or one live specimen of this nasty bug) from somewhere on this entire planet to carry the COVID-19 virus and start spreading it all over again. Then what? We're all screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    Howdy neighbor!
    That issue about spreading this virus is one of the main concerns I and many other people have been asking. Once the quarantine is over, and TPTB give the OK to return to work, etc., it will only take ONE person (or one live specimen of this nasty bug) from somewhere on this entire planet to carry the COVID-19 virus and start spreading it all over again. Then what? We're all screwed.
    Hey Since we call can't stay home indefinitely, that will be a problem, but I don't think we'd all be screwed. There are ways to help lessen exposure, but but since some people are just nasty(dirty) and selfish it won't be completely affective. People should cover their cough, wash, their hands, not touch their face, avoid going to work if they're sick (or get tested to see what they have before returning to work), not wipe their nasty snot filled hands all over the place, things like that. People over 70 and people at high risk should probably stay home a little longer than healthy younger people just to see how things go. Hopefully the hospitals will have what they need to treat new cases, since hopefully a lot of the patients that were hospitalized will have recovered and be at home by that time.

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    re: COVID-19 virus on physical surfaces possibly being weighed in as a catalyst / excuse to produce a new, digital money/wallet system...

    Quote Originally Posted by SGalisa View Post
    Well, it seems the USA is on target very soon to set into place a digital monetary buying and selling system. It would replace ALL paper money and perhaps coin too, and resolve the paranoia over getting hideous germs or a lethal virus, such as the COVID-19 trumpet/crown shaped virus, from physical human to human contact. Well, that is one of the excuses being used to create this type of "currency" system.
    . . .
    This Digital Dollar or currency is also known as a "digital wallet" which will be specifically *assigned* to every family who receives it in their bank accounts...

    The amazing part of this whole creation of such a digital wallet/dollar system is the speed at which it will be ultimately put into operation. Once the general public get convinced or sold on the ideas of the wonderful "health safety" features, so they don't get sick from touching things that might be contaminated, many people will probably swoon and jump at the opportunity to
    "MAKE IT SO"... as Captain Picard (aka Star Trek:TNG) would say.

    ... that's just my extra 2 cents ...
    . . .
    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Again, I disagree. There are simply too many people that would refuse to accept this.
    Various groups have been pushing this for a few decades. It's not going to fly.

    And I wouldn't accept bitcoin or any other faux currency. What is that anyway? Some guy created his own money? Sorry, I'll pass. It's completely without value.
    Apparently not without a purpose any more, even if your bank account numbers seem meaningless.
    So, for clarification... I personally know several people who work on the (USA) Federal level with your printed "paper" AND "coin" money. That is in the area of people who take your OLD, disgusting, and nearly unusable paper *money* and either shred it to smitherines (sometimes made into *souvenir* products found in hollow "million-dollar" pens or paperweights), or BURN the ones in the worst conditions.

    Any money received from across the ocean, often ends up destroyed because of potential counterfeits floating in the system. So, instead of sorting thru all that paper money, like it used to be done and looking under special equipment to remove the fake from the real, TPTB decided to simply shred and burn both versions out of existence completely. Yeah, I've learned a lot of this from people who keep those machines in operation, so my source(s) are extremely *reliable* (and no, I don't work there, but other people I've met in person DO)... hate to put it that way.

    And (before anyone else inquires...) there have been people working in those places who have tried to steal the paper money, when they thought the cameras weren't looking, got caught and ended up being escorted out in handcuffs and obviously fired from their job (doesn't look good on a resume, FYI, anyway)... So, the rest of the workers keep their *paws* OFF and are usually very compliant in working around that stuff, because they don't want to suffer the same fate. Plus, they are *required* to have security guards assigned to them along with a tracking camera of their every movement, when they work in those rooms... So...

    Anywho... the trillion dollars that Trump recently announced that were being "MADE" (or manufactured in those so-called printing presses) have been "printed" in mostly or ALL done in the Digital / Electronic realms of reality already. No more paper money trails. This is to also discourage any counterfeit wannabees from circulating new money trails, too. This paperless or cashless system is ALREADY here and it will only be a matter of time before it becomes a full time venture. Expect news of it to reach your bank accounts at a (near) future date (i.e., could be a few months or within the next few years, depends on the yo-yo's controlling these *purse* strings).

    As for the rest of the money, when that runs out, it will NOT be replaced. So, this is where our USA is currently at, and why there will be some fuss over why the change in the process from people who don't want it. It is also anticipated, and being decided by upper PTB, to become a new method of tracking WHO is in the USA or traveling, where they are tracking to, and where these electronic/digital dollars are being spent at. Oh, and some of this stuff has already been in the news, but not many people are aware of it (as in that it is already being processed NOW) and integrated with the rest of your bank accounts and business operations. hmmmm...TBC

    The biggest drawback to all of this is electronic Identity Thefts. Controlling that 100% is next to impossible at the moment. Thus, is why a "tracking system" of sorts with cameras in strategic locations, and other spying devices, is being designed to TRACK every person on this planet, wherever this system is installed. Remove the kinks and quirks out first, then make it totally operational. Sounds like a sci-fi movie (plot), but TPTB are extremely close to making this whole this monetary thing a working reality, whether people want it or not. Other details are also paralleling the money situation, that will make the next decade feel like a wild roller coaster ride, even during its calmer moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    that's what I meant

    that thing spreads like the flu & evidently flu's still around

    as soon as the lockdowns end it will have free reign to return & spread again just like the flu
    then what - more curfews?
    seasonal curfews?
    obviously that method's not viable in the long run
    All the people who've been exposed to it and recover won't/shouldn't get it again. I've read that it's slow to mutate, so if that's true, a new strain shouldn't be an issue every season like the flu. Until they find a vaccine for this thing, we will most likely have periods of increased infection rates by people who have not been previously exposed to it. And like I mentioned in my other post, there are ways for people to try to limit exposure/risk, to this virus and others. Also because of what's happened/is happening now, the hospitals should be more prepared for new cases further down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    All the people who've been exposed to it and recover won't/shouldn't get it again. I've read that it's slow to mutate, so if that's true, a new strain shouldn't be an issue every season like the flu. Until they find a vaccine for this thing, we will most likely have periods of increased infection rates by people who have not been previously exposed to it. And like I mentioned in my other post, there are ways for people to try to limit exposure/risk, to this virus and others. Also because of what's happened/is happening now, the hospitals should be more prepared for new cases further down the line.
    that's weird I read the opposite it mutates as fast as the flu

    add to this the fact that:
    it spreads like the flu
    it has all the symptoms of flu + 1 (dyspnea (that's the nasty one))
    it's 20x deadlier

    it's basically like a superflu

    and just like the flu...

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6623287/c...le-infections/

    ...you can get it more than once


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    that's weird I read the opposite it mutates as fast as the flu

    add to this the fact that:
    it spreads like the flu
    it has all the symptoms of flu + 1 (dyspnea (that's the nasty one))
    it's 20x deadlier

    it's basically like a superflu

    and just like the flu...

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6623287/c...le-infections/

    ...you can get it more than once
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...t-respond-to-a

    And the article you linked to says that those people probably weren't actually reinfected, but that it was a cotinuation of the infection they already had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VampyreWraith View Post
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...t-respond-to-a

    And the article you linked to says that those people probably weren't actually reinfected, but that it was a cotinuation of the infection they already had.
    they're not sure from the tone of it sounds more like wishful thinking

    besides if the symptoms somehow go away then come back months later that's not a good sign either
    it means the infection somehow persists & they remains carriers

    this would make a several months long lockdown necessary


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    at least the slow mutation's a good sign
    this will be put to the test with the antivirals

    as for the vaccines I'll let others test them first :|


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    i thought all the talk about toilet paper and other paper products being hoarded was just something that happened here and there, i guess i was wrong.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+buying+videos


    Why are people buying so much toilet paper?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHX3xR-Wu2A

    Amid coronavirus panic, customers pack stores for household essentials and food

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkfmDxPTcZ0

    Panicked shoppers have turned toilet paper into a 'rare commodity'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iisU6d3l1E0

    He Bought 18,000 Disinfectants To Get Rich. It Backfired Big Time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FTnz32EtLs

    Woman accidentally orders 48 boxes of toilet paper | 7NEWS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRXtWP0ehqA

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    re: COVID-19 virus on physical surfaces possibly being weighed in as a catalyst / excuse to produce a new, digital money/wallet system...



    Apparently not without a purpose any more, even if your bank account numbers seem meaningless.
    So, for clarification... I personally know several people who work on the (USA) Federal level with your printed "paper" AND "coin" money. That is in the area of people who take your OLD, disgusting, and nearly unusable paper *money* and either shred it to smitherines (sometimes made into *souvenir* products found in hollow "million-dollar" pens or paperweights), or BURN the ones in the worst conditions.

    Any money received from across the ocean, often ends up destroyed because of potential counterfeits floating in the system. So, instead of sorting thru all that paper money, like it used to be done and looking under special equipment to remove the fake from the real, TPTB decided to simply shred and burn both versions out of existence completely. Yeah, I've learned a lot of this from people who keep those machines in operation, so my source(s) are extremely *reliable* (and no, I don't work there, but other people I've met in person DO)... hate to put it that way.

    And (before anyone else inquires...) there have been people working in those places who have tried to steal the paper money, when they thought the cameras weren't looking, got caught and ended up being escorted out in handcuffs and obviously fired from their job (doesn't look good on a resume, FYI, anyway)... So, the rest of the workers keep their *paws* OFF and are usually very compliant in working around that stuff, because they don't want to suffer the same fate. Plus, they are *required* to have security guards assigned to them along with a tracking camera of their every movement, when they work in those rooms... So...

    Anywho... the trillion dollars that Trump recently announced that were being "MADE" (or manufactured in those so-called printing presses) have been "printed" in mostly or ALL done in the Digital / Electronic realms of reality already. No more paper money trails. This is to also discourage any counterfeit wannabees from circulating new money trails, too. This paperless or cashless system is ALREADY here and it will only be a matter of time before it becomes a full time venture. Expect news of it to reach your bank accounts at a (near) future date (i.e., could be a few months or within the next few years, depends on the yo-yo's controlling these *purse* strings).

    As for the rest of the money, when that runs out, it will NOT be replaced. So, this is where our USA is currently at, and why there will be some fuss over why the change in the process from people who don't want it. It is also anticipated, and being decided by upper PTB, to become a new method of tracking WHO is in the USA or traveling, where they are tracking to, and where these electronic/digital dollars are being spent at. Oh, and some of this stuff has already been in the news, but not many people are aware of it (as in that it is already being processed NOW) and integrated with the rest of your bank accounts and business operations. hmmmm...TBC

    The biggest drawback to all of this is electronic Identity Thefts. Controlling that 100% is next to impossible at the moment. Thus, is why a "tracking system" of sorts with cameras in strategic locations, and other spying devices, is being designed to TRACK every person on this planet, wherever this system is installed. Remove the kinks and quirks out first, then make it totally operational. Sounds like a sci-fi movie (plot), but TPTB are extremely close to making this whole this monetary thing a working reality, whether people want it or not. Other details are also paralleling the money situation, that will make the next decade feel like a wild roller coaster ride, even during its calmer moments.

    well from what has ben reported, covid 19 does poorly on organic surfaces like cotton, wood, paper, cardboard,, ect, so paper money being made up of mostly organic components, means that cash is pretty safe to handle, BUT, if you feel unsafe handling cash, you can always wash it, i do that from time to time, i mean cash is FILTHLY, all you need is a little warm water and some soap, dish soap will do, but so will bar soap, and swish it around for a while, then rinse it off, then you can lay it out to dry and let that be that, OR you can give it the FULL TREATMENT, and get some good old spray starch, i would suggest NIAGRA heavy duty, but what ever you choose should be fine, i spray the DAMP bills with starch, on both sides, then run over it with an iron, front and back, set on the cotton setting, since cotton scraps from the manufacture of blue jeans is used in the manufacture of the bills, along with scraps of linen, this gives those old bills that nice crisp feeling that we all love, yes it can turn that wrinkled old one dollar that gets rejected by the coke machine in to a nice crisp bill that SHOULD?... be accepted willingly by the machine, of course you don't NEED the starch, you can just use the iron while it is still damp, again on BOTH sides, , it won't be as crisp, but it will be better.

    and that ends todays tip on how to care for your money buoys and gulls just remember don't leave the iron on it for TOO long , other wise you can wind up with you burning a hole the money instead of the money burning a hole in your pocket.
    Last edited by epg20; March 25th, 2020 at 09:41 PM.

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