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    #16
    Originally posted by EricG View Post
    Tactile definition: perceptible by touch or apparently so; tangible.
    Nothing to touch on a hologram.
    They have holograms that are solid. There is no reason not to implement that kind of holography in their consoles too. It's not like they need to create something as complex as they have on the holodeck. All they need is a basic holo projection that feels like it has some resistance when you touch it.
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      #17
      When you start the final episode of the first season, with an ad for the second season, and then kill the lead character 15 minutes out from the end of the episode... it doesn't take a genius to piece together the puzzle, to work out how they will resurrect him.

      Did that take away from what happened? Well... for me, no, it didn't. Seeing Picard die was upsetting, seeing his conversation with Data was bloody brilliant and wonderful...

      I don't quite get what they do from here... but we know that Guinan is a likely guest...
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        #18
        Originally posted by cosmichobo View Post
        When you start the final episode of the first season, with an ad for the second season, and then kill the lead character 15 minutes out from the end of the episode... it doesn't take a genius to piece together the puzzle, to work out how they will resurrect him.

        Did that take away from what happened? Well... for me, no, it didn't. Seeing Picard die was upsetting, seeing his conversation with Data was bloody brilliant and wonderful...

        I don't quite get what they do from here... but we know that Guinan is a likely guest...
        Chabon has said that season 2 will be in a different direction again so likely less to do with the Borg, androids or Romulans, but I suspect that there will still be some background or blowback in regards to it. My hope is that one way or another next season might see other Alpha Quadrant races. The Ferengi or Cardassians would be great. The Gorn would be great too since Chabon has a fairly severe obsession with them.
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          #19
          It's not going to happen but I really want to know the status of the Dominion
          Originally posted by aretood2
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            #20
            Originally posted by jelgate View Post
            It's not going to happen but I really want to know the status of the Dominion
            I doubt it'll happen in the next season but sooner or later we will likely get some Dominion info from either Picard, Discovery or another show.
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              #21
              Oh - one thing that just felt terribly like they didn't have the budget for a full scale battle... When you consider the lengths which the Romulans went to throughout the season to kill the synths, it felt incredibly unlikely that they would have backed down. Ultimately the threat is still very real. What's to say some other synth doesn't decide to repair it and re-signal for their alter universe friends...? And, all it would have taken was 1 Romulan ship to slip past the Federation vessels and launch a few torpedos... and they could have completed their incredibly obsessive mission.

              So - Riker et al escorted the Romulans away... great... but how quickly could a ship slip back in and - destroy the colony...

              It was just messy, IMO...
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                #22
                Originally posted by cosmichobo View Post
                Oh - one thing that just felt terribly like they didn't have the budget for a full scale battle... When you consider the lengths which the Romulans went to throughout the season to kill the synths, it felt incredibly unlikely that they would have backed down. Ultimately the threat is still very real. What's to say some other synth doesn't decide to repair it and re-signal for their alter universe friends...? And, all it would have taken was 1 Romulan ship to slip past the Federation vessels and launch a few torpedos... and they could have completed their incredibly obsessive mission.

                So - Riker et al escorted the Romulans away... great... but how quickly could a ship slip back in and - destroy the colony...

                It was just messy, IMO...
                Yeah I know what you mean. But at the same time I get the feeling that those Romulan ships would have been no match for the Fed fleet anyway so there was no point in even attempting. The Tal Shiar work best in the shadows so they might be intending an alternate route.

                I've not seen anything on it but I get the sense that the budget was an issue throughout the first season. Which isn't that surprising considering how expensive Patrick Stewart probably is at this stage, and then you have a lot of on location shoots and a lot of different sets and effects shots all throughout the season. I got the same sort of feeling about Season one of Discovery too, but that was thoroughly rectified in Season 2 so I'd imagine it'll be similar for Picard.
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by P-90_177 View Post
                  I doubt it'll happen in the next season but sooner or later we will likely get some Dominion info from either Picard, Discovery or another show.
                  Picard: The Federation has lost its way.
                  *Sisko reappears*
                  Sisko: I have returned and brought the message of peace, love, diversity, compassion and acceptance from the Prophets
                  Random Starfleet Admiral With a Suspiciously V Ridged forehead: Quick! Kill it! Kill it with fire!!!


                  I would really love to see the return of Captain Sisko in some form. But I really don't see how they would incorporate the wormhole with Picard. There'd have to be some sort of personal connection with either him or his new crew.

                  I can see, however, if they Janeway showing up if they continue the Borg sideplot.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by aretood2 View Post
                    Picard: The Federation has lost its way.
                    *Sisko reappears*
                    Sisko: I have returned and brought the message of peace, love, diversity, compassion and acceptance from the Prophets
                    Random Starfleet Admiral With a Suspiciously V Ridged forehead: Quick! Kill it! Kill it with fire!!!


                    I would really love to see the return of Captain Sisko in some form. But I really don't see how they would incorporate the wormhole with Picard. There'd have to be some sort of personal connection with either him or his new crew.

                    I can see, however, if they Janeway showing up if they continue the Borg sideplot.
                    Honestly as much as I would love to see some of the characters from DS9 again, particularly Garak, Bashir, O'Brien and Dax, I think Sisko's story is otherwise played out. I'd rather that be effectively a mystery we never know the end to. It could be that he never returned or he may have shown back up a year or two later and lives with Kassidy on Bajor. DS9 is one of those shows that just wraps up so beautifully.

                    Janeway I would like to see more of. It still felt like there was more to see with the Voyager characters.
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                      #25
                      man, those CGI smorgasbord of SF and Romulan ships!! So SW EP 9 of them

                      and, I thought it was said that the Androids on planet Coppertone were improved versions of Data?

                      Well, could the Data we know been "killed" by a brooch to the eye? hmmm?

                      And the revelations--- like all along Picard has been a homosexual mechanophiliac? and Soong had a real human child--how so when in TNG we saw where Soongs wife was not capable of birth- yes?

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                      not a bad show over all, I did enjoy it. but, it has Star Trek in its title and it really didn't live to that standard, did it?

                      kind of like loving nuBSG then cringing myself down to hell after watching "Battlestar Galactica;The Plan"

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                        #26
                        Fully flesh androids - that point actually stuck out for me from the beginning. But - if you think about it... An android is a robot with a human appearance, able to replicate human functions/etc. We as the human species have typically - such as Data - perceived androids as being "mechanical men". But if the technology existed to make those androids out of flesh... wouldn't that just be the highest level of android?

                        Would Data have died from a broach to the eye? Probably not, as it probably wouldn't have penetrated his metal head. However these new "androids" were flesh, so if the broach went through the eye socket and into what was presumably a flesh brain...

                        Sorry - I must have missed the gay reference. I may have seen a kiss between 2 men, but that doesn't make one gay.

                        As for Noonian Soong having a human son (and not just a bunch of androids)... Soong's wife - who we met as a Soong-type android during TNG - was based on Soong's actual real living wife. She however died, and Soong created the replica android, and transferred her memories - except that of dying - so the android believed she was real. As such, it was quite feasible that they could have had a child before the wife died - though I don't recall any mention of one during TNG?

                        So - it's a bit of retconning... no doubt to allow Brent Spiner to create yet another Soong character.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by magi877 View Post
                          man, those CGI smorgasbord of SF and Romulan ships!! So SW EP 9 of them

                          and, I thought it was said that the Androids on planet Coppertone were improved versions of Data?

                          Well, could the Data we know been "killed" by a brooch to the eye? hmmm?

                          And the revelations--- like all along Picard has been a homosexual mechanophiliac? and Soong had a real human child--how so when in TNG we saw where Soongs wife was not capable of birth- yes?

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                          not a bad show over all, I did enjoy it. but, it has Star Trek in its title and it really didn't live to that standard, did it?

                          kind of like loving nuBSG then cringing myself down to hell after watching "Battlestar Galactica;The Plan"

                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]43082[/ATTACH]
                          *Facepalm*
                          A man telling another man he loves them is not a sign of homosexuality. I am (mostly) straight. I still love my brother or my best mate. The sooner men realise that the word "love" needn't have any connotation towards sexuality the better off the world will be.

                          To use a previous phone analogy again. An iPhone is arguably better than an old Nokia 3210, but I know for a fact the latter can be knocked around a lot more than the other.

                          As for Soong. I mean yeah that's a retcon but at the same time we know so little about the Soongs anyway. We know bits and pieces from when he was building and creating Data and Lore, one episode worth of stuff on his wife, and then fast forward to when he is an old man and dies because of Lore. For all we know he may have had a wife before Julianna. Or after. Either way the presence of another Soong is hardly continuity breaking.

                          I gotta admit that as a whole I think Picard may not be the best Trek show. Of it and Discovery I feel far more engaged by Disco. But at the same time I think it hit a lot of strong themes that Trek has never dived deep on before. And much like Disco season one I am inclined to trust that this season has merely built a foundation for the show to grow on and hopefully provide for more material for the new characters we see after Stewart has opted to leave the show.

                          Originally posted by cosmichobo View Post
                          Fully flesh androids - that point actually stuck out for me from the beginning. But - if you think about it... An android is a robot with a human appearance, able to replicate human functions/etc. We as the human species have typically - such as Data - perceived androids as being "mechanical men". But if the technology existed to make those androids out of flesh... wouldn't that just be the highest level of android?

                          Would Data have died from a broach to the eye? Probably not, as it probably wouldn't have penetrated his metal head. However these new "androids" were flesh, so if the broach went through the eye socket and into what was presumably a flesh brain...

                          Sorry - I must have missed the gay reference. I may have seen a kiss between 2 men, but that doesn't make one gay.

                          As for Noonian Soong having a human son (and not just a bunch of androids)... Soong's wife - who we met as a Soong-type android during TNG - was based on Soong's actual real living wife. She however died, and Soong created the replica android, and transferred her memories - except that of dying - so the android believed she was real. As such, it was quite feasible that they could have had a child before the wife died - though I don't recall any mention of one during TNG?

                          So - it's a bit of retconning... no doubt to allow Brent Spiner to create yet another Soong character.
                          I believe Chabon has confirmed that Altinn Soong is not Julianna's son.
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                            #28
                            the question of platonic love vs romantic love

                            i would have no issue with either, but it doesn't fit the Trek way of doing things. Even heterosexual love has usually only been spoken of and implied in Trek

                            but then we have the love for machine expressed here, and TPTB'S deliberately leave it vague as a crowd pleaser. so no matter your stance on the real world issue, its meant to please either perspective

                            one segment of the audience can see it in one light- inter "species" (machine) romantic love and the other side see it as platonic

                            for me, i'd go with the romantic love side since it matches with the tone of the show. the swearing, the whole unTrek-ness of it

                            if the scene were in TNG or one of the films, i would have went with the intention of the scene as being platonic

                            but Picard does say "your strange beautiful face"

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                              #29
                              Honestly, I didn't see any love thing in that scene at all. I noticed Seven touching what's-her-face, I saw Rio and the other what's-her-face and even the weird creepy incest thing. But this alleged Picard/Data was not even on my radar. I find it very odd that anyone came up with that conclusion.
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by aretood2 View Post
                                Honestly, I didn't see any love thing in that scene at all. I noticed Seven touching what's-her-face, I saw Rio and the other what's-her-face and even the weird creepy incest thing. But this alleged Picard/Data was not even on my radar. I find it very odd that anyone came up with that conclusion.
                                which creepy incest thing?

                                seriously, you didn't hear "your strange beautiful face i never told you that..." data- "that you loved me?" picard " i spend every night dreaming about you?"

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