Stardust City Rag (105)

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Agnes being a synth -- crossed my mind briefly. However, assuming the Romulans got to her before joining Picard's merry band, wouldn't she have somehow activited depending on her "operating system"?

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I'm amused that I'm not the only one to have picked up on the "sexual" tension between Seven and Jay (?) -- albeit I'm fairly certain Lopo wouldn't approve of it at all. In fact, he seems to think only men should be involved in any fighting or killing of others, or be heroes of a TV-show.

Though as far as that tension goes, it's quite clear that Jay (or however she was named) played "Annika" to get to Icheb for parts.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if I should mention this initially, but whenever they interacted, I was wondering exactly what the show was implying about the nature of their relationship.

[VampyreWraith]

The Doctor is either a hidden android or she has a mental illness. She can effectively kill in cold blood when she feels like she needs to (not just Romulan assassins taken by surprise but someone she loves) but feels bad about hitting a hologram robot. The general aversion to violence and ditzyness doesn't seem like a complete act, mostly because she doesn't come across as a sociopath, especially since she seemed to feel genuinely bad about killing Maddox (nice and slow), but she seemed to show more hesitation over hitting a hologram than killing someone she cared for.

I wish they hadn't killed Maddox off so quickly. It was sad that Seven lost Icheb, I agree with P-90_177, that it wasn't necessary to show his brutal death, especially in the opening and that it may have been better to just have her mention it. I've always thought her relationship with Chacotay (can't spell his name) was weird and came out of nowhere in Voyager's last season, so (seemingly) having it not work out after they got back to the Alpha quadrant seemed fine to me. I also don't have an issue with Seven not staying with Starfleet and becoming a ranger, especially if Starfleet seemed to be changing. I can see her isolating herself from her old friends on voyager and pushing them away if they tried to help her after what happened to Icheb. Maybe she asked them to give her space and they were trying to respect that. We don't know exactly what happened to the rest of Voyager's crew or what happened between them and Seven, and I don't think we need to know all that, since it's not Seven's story or the story of Voyager's crew. I don't find them not being able to stop/help Seven unbelievable. I wish she'd had a happier life, since I really do love the character, and I hope this isn't the end for her and that she gets a chance at happiness.

I enjoyed everything on the ship before they got down to the planet and everyone's act in the casino. I'm really loving Rios (and his holograms). Can't wait until the next ep.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

If the Doctor is a synth, then shouldn't she be helping Picard? The Romulan/Starfleet conspiracy appears to be against synths.

[VampyreWraith]

Did you noticed how closely Bjayzl resembled Deanna Troi???


Why not use a replicator?

Everytime she was onscreen all I could think of was that she looked exactly like a taller, thinner Troi.

Maybe it's like a collector thing, need/want an original.

[VampyreWraith]

If the Doctor is a synth, then shouldn't she be helping Picard? The Romulan/Starfleet conspiracy appears to be against synths.

If she doesn't know what she is like the others and she was led to believe by Commodore Sunglasses that synths were evil destroyers or whatever she might not think it's a good idea to help Picard. If she is a synth, she could be an earlier model without the same programming/protocols.

[P-90_177]

There's no way she's a synth. I just don't buy it. I'm not even entirely convinced she's working for the Tal Shiar. I mean there's a good chance she might be but she may well also have her own agenda.

[lopo30]

I'm amused that I'm not the only one to have picked up on the "sexual" tension between Seven and Jay (?) -- albeit I'm fairly certain Lopo wouldn't approve of it at all. In fact, he seems to think only men should be involved in any fighting or killing of others, or be heroes of a TV-show.

Though as far as that tension goes, it's quite clear that Jay (or however she was named) played "Annika" to get to Icheb for parts.

Thats the problem with 21 century world we live in. We cant express our opinion without someone start to accuse you on hate for something that isnt there. I have no issues for women in power, but as i am man i cant have opinions like this that TV show needs to be all about women in power and man need to be village fools who are weak and small minded and totally dumb

[VampyreWraith]

I hope she's not a synth and doesn't end up being this destroyer thing that the Romulans keep going on about. She may just be mentally unstable/ have a mental illness. She had no reason to lie to a dying man that she was alone with. She seemed convinced that what she was shown was horrible enough that Maddox had to be killed because of his work, so even if she's not working for the Tal Shiar, she seems to be sharing their adgena for now.

[P-90_177]

Thats the problem with 21 century world we live in. We cant express our opinion without someone start to accuse you on hate for something that isnt there. I have no issues for women in power, but as i am man i cant have opinions like this that TV show needs to be all about women in power and man need to be village fools who are weak and small minded and totally dumb

I've yet to see evidence of that in any show or movie I've watched over the last ten years... Hell my whole lifetime. I have however seen shows and movies that display women as damsals in distress that need a big strong man to save them every week.

[VampyreWraith]

The show is also called Star Trek Picard, and last I saw, Picard was a man and he's definitely not weak, small minded and dumb, neither are Rios or Elnor. And while Narek may be under his sister's command at the moment, I don't know how long that's going to last. He may not turn to Soji's side, but he might end up killing his sister if only to shut her up and get her to stop questioning his methods. And he also doesn't come across as weak, small-minded and dumb.

[BruTak]

Well now, that was a bit of a hoot. Equal parts Mission: Impossible and Ocean's 11.

This is just one of the things I'm enjoying about the series, it's unashamedly wearing of its influences on its sleeve.

Regarding Icheb and Maddox being played by different actors. In the former case it's possibly a combination of Manu Intiraymi having aged quite a bit from his last appearance on Voyager, and also his rather vocal support for Kevin Spacey. In the latter case, I believe it's because Brian Brophy is more a theatre actor these days.

Speculation for later in the season -

Spoiler:

I've a feeling the Riker and Troi scenes won't come until the final episode of the season. Picard leaves Soji with the Riker family because he knows she'll be safe there with people he can trust.

[Falcon Horus]

We don't know exactly what happened to the rest of Voyager's crew or what happened between them and Seven, and I don't think we need to know all that, since it's not Seven's story or the story of Voyager's crew. I don't find them not being able to stop/help Seven unbelievable. I wish she'd had a happier life, since I really do love the character, and I hope this isn't the end for her and that she gets a chance at happiness.

NEW SPIN-OFF needed now... starring Seven of Nine. I would watch that. Heck, I'd get an Amazon Prime account for it (if I could, that is).

There's no way she's a synth. I just don't buy it. I'm not even entirely convinced she's working for the Tal Shiar. I mean there's a good chance she might be but she may well also have her own agenda.

When she kills Maddox she tells him that she's seen something, all the gruesome things... or something like it, so she does have -- apparently -- a very good reason to do what she does there. Maybe doing the wrong thing for the right reason?

Thats the problem with 21 century world we live in. We cant express our opinion without someone start to accuse you on hate for something that isnt there. I have no issues for women in power, but as i am man i cant have opinions like this that TV show needs to be all about women in power and man need to be village fools who are weak and small minded and totally dumb

Oh, I have no issues with you having an opinion on these things. It's just the demeaning manner in which you write it, that's telling me you seem to take issue with certain themes displayed in modern television.

[BruTak]

NEW SPIN-OFF needed now... starring Seven of Nine. I would watch that. Heck, I'd get an Amazon Prime account for it (if I could, that is).

Well, there's our next spin off right there, "Star Trek: Fenris Rangers".

Starring Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine, and Chuck Norris as a hologram of Sgt. Cordell Walker.

[P-90_177]

Well, there's our next spin off right there, "Star Trek: Fenris Rangers".

Starring Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine, and Chuck Norris as a hologram of Sgt. Cordell Walker.

On Twitter I've seen calls for a Seven and Ro Laren show.

[BruTak]

On Twitter I've seen calls for a Seven and Ro Laren show.

IIRC, in the non-canon DS9 season 8 novel series, Ro Laren accepted a Lieutenant's commission in the Bajoran Militia and was appointed Chief of Security for DS9.