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    Beaming stations would be possible, but would out the SG program. One of the selling points of the stargate series is that it could be happening atm. I personally don't the series would go such a route as to openly out the Stargate. I also think that the scale the Tau'ri has assumed in the Galaxy mandates so many ppl are involved, that total secrecy is impossible, a open secret. Thus, any tech, politics, military/civillian organisations etc. in the future series, would have to reflect this, imo.

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    What I was meant like a travel station between continents. How our transportation could change if they don't need ships, cars, planes anymore as the technology would be available later for everyone. Maybe politicians or VIPs would use it, but then it would be part of our daily life. That is the reason this situation couldn't be handled correctly and the whole lore would suffer.

    An open SG program would cause political crisis. I am not with or against the current president. But if the SGC would be locked down for a a few years, then it would explain why we need a new base (studio) for the new show and how our enemies have evolved in the Milky Way.

    Not to mention the human health related problems. Fro example. If the Tok'ra can cure any illness, then why have they not given some medicines / technologies to heal cancer or HIV or any other major health issue? How many people would be gladly lie in the sarcophagus if it could heal them forever? They have tried to touch this ethical issue a few times (like Adrian Conrad in season 5), just my hopelessly naive fan myself would wish more. So if they have introduced such miracelous cures then how it is ethical to deny it from others.
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    So what do you expect from Space Force in a future SG spinoff? What role shall it play? At first I would be happy if they would work asa "beaming station" between continents. I know it sounds like an abuse of the Asgard technology, but that would sound the first logical step.
    The program turned military branch is devoted to orbital defense. Why would you give them oversight of trans-continental transport?

    As to what I expect, I don't expect anything until we find out whether the Space Force survives another presidency. If a new show suddenly popped up this Fall, I think it would be risky for creators to use it in any significant way. If it's not a reboot, they'd have to go through hoops to explain how it exists in their fictional universe given that the conditions for its creation would not exist there. Then they'd have to hope that it doesn't end up being reabsorbed into the Air Force since it has no practical justification to exist as an independent military branch, top brass are against it, it doesn't have any strong defenders in Congress, and it'll be more costly as an independent military branch than it was as the Air Force's Space Command.

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    The program turned military branch is devoted to orbital defense. Why would you give them oversight of trans-continental transport?

    As to what I expect, I don't expect anything until we find out whether the Space Force survives another presidency. If a new show suddenly popped up this Fall, I think it would be risky for creators to use it in any significant way. If it's not a reboot, they'd have to go through hoops to explain how it exists in their fictional universe given that the conditions for its creation would not exist there. Then they'd have to hope that it doesn't end up being reabsorbed into the Air Force since it has no practical justification to exist as an independent military branch, top brass are against it, it doesn't have any strong defenders in Congress, and it'll be more costly as an independent military branch than it was as the Air Force's Space Command.
    Well, all the different branches are evolving towards more interoperability, the army using marine assets, the marines cyber etc. So the Space force could be very simply explained as an umbrella term, while all the budgeting are hidden into different military branches and different countries branches. I.e. The Air Force would still de facto have a similar role to what they have now and have an earmarked portion of their budget to space operations or something similar. There are already precedent in SG-1 and Atlantis of integrating foreign forces, they budget the expenses etc. in their own budgets and then the US Air Force, Space Force, Marines (I.e. SG-3) etc. budget for their SG personnel, equipment, facilities, research. It's a clever way to hide money. The Space Force would have a low budget, but work as a general chief of staff for Space operations, with other branches stuff. In series, this could be easy explained/alluded to in short remarks. The IOA could be factored into this as well, since it's and UN organ, iirc.

    As for Asgard trans-continental transport, yeah, that would have to be explained really well. How did you come across this massive tech? What about the air transport industry? (This would be pretty disruptive tech). How about all those VIPs, politicians, I used to be one, I know how they can use **** like this for personal benefit in campaigns etc., Followed any world news coming out of the US especially? There are a lot of anonymous sources leaking info left and right. Sooner or later it would be revealed, imo.

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    The Space Force just got a budget, "$18.0 billion commitment to the space domain strengthening our resilience, deterrence, and warfighting options in space"
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    Quote Originally Posted by K.H.Mattfolk View Post
    The Space Force just got a budget, "$18.0 billion commitment to the space domain strengthening our resilience, deterrence, and warfighting options in space"
    That's from the Pentagon's 2021 budget request. Congress will review that request and make its own decision on what it wants to allocate to the Space Force moving forward. It's unlikely that it will end up getting anything close to that. When it was formed, $72.4 million was requested for 2020, but Congress only approved $40 million in funding.

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    It should be given to NASA projects (like a Moon base, Mars expedition) instead of starting a cold war in space now. Or if they would build a spaceship / laser platform / defene system against asteroids, but this amount of money could be used on so many more useful projects on Earth instead of around Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    It should be given to NASA projects (like a Moon base, Mars expedition) instead of starting a cold war in space now. Or if they would build a spaceship / laser platform / defene system against asteroids, but this amount of money could be used on so many more useful projects on Earth instead of around Earth.
    The best way to deal with asteroids is to increase funding for advanced detection. An asteroid can be diverted fairly easily by flying a small spacecraft next to it as the craft's gravity will pull the asteroid slightly off course. For this to be possible, scientists need sufficient notice. Advanced warning time also increases the likelihood of success when considering other impact prevention models.

    NASA has an existing proposal to make spotting potentially dangerous celestial objections easier. Essentially, it calls for an infrared space telescope built specifically to detect and track asteroids and more ground telescopes (you can read their full proposal here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...-pages-1MB.pdf)

    Weaponized models for dealing with an asteroid are much more resource heavy and, at times, downright fanciful. There's also new research that suggests earlier models miscalculated how difficult it would be to break up an asteroid - https://phys.org/news/2019-03-astero...y-thought.html

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    but Congress only approved $40 million in funding.
    kudos to Congress but that's still a waste of $40M for this scam


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    I mean humanity should spread into the Solar System, but it should be a neutral, UN based programe. Imagine when the competition will start between USA, Russia and China for the Moon. Who will claim it? Who will build the first permanent colony there? Who would create mining and building drones. It is exciting on one level, but it is also scarry on the other one. Since world peace can not be really achieved as our ancient, animalistic evolutionary competition will always be present, hopefully this whole new Space Force program will turn into something good and not a total domination in space. I still remember the "scorched earth" scene from Babylon 5.

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    I'd rather see they'd do some other palent/panetiod in our Solar System first, just to see how it would work out. Besides, the Moon has been overdone in other shows already. Plus it would make a great story arc of Earth getting to create a real own-made Moon Base which is not a flying city, flown over from another Galaxy.

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    The last few posts were about real life events not Stargate.

    But back to Stargate. Moon base was really meant to be the new SGC. It would be safer for Earth if any hostile attacks could come through the stargate. We can't expect that the new enemies can turn off the Iris soon it or later. It would be nice to buid it on some kind of secret Asgard laboratory or the the Asgard heritage would be built into it instead of leaving it on Odussey. I am guessing the writers had some plans with that ship anyway. They could activate some building drones etc.

    The Solar System is also unprotected. Anyone can fly in and make some trouble on Earth. So I hope they would use the long distance sensors of Atlantis or the new advanced Moon Base would have such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    The last few posts were about real life events not Stargate.
    Such as your comments about the UN being neutral. That is very much not a neutral body, and I wouldn't want them running anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    ut back to Stargate. Moon base was really meant to be the new SGC. It would be safer for Earth if any hostile attacks could come through the stargate. We can't expect that the new enemies can turn off the Iris soon it or later. It would be nice to buid it on some kind of secret Asgard laboratory or the the Asgard heritage would be built into it instead of leaving it on Odussey. I am guessing the writers had some plans with that ship anyway. They could activate some building drones etc.

    The Solar System is also unprotected. Anyone can fly in and make some trouble on Earth. So I hope they would use the long distance sensors of Atlantis or the new advanced Moon Base would have such things.
    At this point in our development, anyone who flies in can do whatever they want to us, and we would be no more able to affect their actions than my cats can stop me from taking them to the vet. And while my taking the cats to the vet is in their own best interests, we have no such guarantee about the motives of visitors from space.
    The very fact that they have mastered the energies required for interstellar travel makes anything we could do useless. "Independence Day" was a movie, nothing more. And the "virus" solution they used didn't even make sense.
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    If they could study the Asgard legacy, then maybe they could make the beaming technology as a weapon. Like any unidentified ship could be beamed away to the edge of the solar system where our X304 ships would make diplomatic talks / wars.

    It would be cool to see the beaming technology not just for transportation, but also for beaming icebergs to the Sahara, so Earth could start a massive terraforming. Or beaming would be used to move objects up and down betwee the proposed Moon base and Washington.

    But since Stargate wants to stay on the current level, maybe this idea could work in an AU episode where we would see some kind of negative side effects of the technology. Like not just beaming away hostile forces, but "stealing" people and lock them offworld etc.

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    If they could study the Asgard legacy, then maybe they could make the beaming technology as a weapon. Like any unidentified ship could be beamed away to the edge of the solar system where our X304 ships would make diplomatic talks / wars.
    That would only work if the unidentified ship both lacked shields and jamming technology.

    It would be cool to see the beaming technology not just for transportation, but also for beaming icebergs to the Sahara, so Earth could start a massive terraforming.
    The Sahara goes through green/dry periods every few thousand years. This is tied to the tilting of the Earth. Slight changes to its axis means more or less solar radiation makes it passed our atmosphere. One might think less is better, but it's not. More solar radiation means that monsoons get supercharged, and with that additional energy they're able to deposit much more rain over the Sahara.

    The last dry cycle happened more quickly than it should have and one possible explanation is that livestock overgrazed the region. Plants release moisture into the atmosphere, which create clouds that help to foster continued plant growth, so humans may have inadvertently sped up to the Sahara's transformation back into a desert. This part is a hypothesis only. We know that it cycles between green and dry and why, but we don't yet have enough evidence to support a theory as to why the current dry cycle came on faster than it should have.

    A $2 trillion proposal for using desalinated seawater to feed vast Sahara forests has been floated in the past. There are several problems with this. One major issue is that winds actually carry Sahara sand (mainly from Chad) across the Atlantic. It ends up as both food for sea life and as fertilizer for the rain forest in South America.

    The Sahara has grown 10% larger in the last century and is expected to continue to grow at unusually high rates due to climate change, so human intervention to limit and reverse some of its growth is important, but large scale terraforming of the desert is likely a bad idea. It's currently unclear how long South American rain forests have been receiving fertilizer from the Sahara for and how they managed during the last green cycle, but forcing the Sahara to be green ahead of schedule may (among other far reaching consequences) seriously damage the rain forest.

    Projects to reverse climate change should look toward reversing changes caused by humans. For example, deforestation needs to stop, carbon output needs to go way down, and it would be helpful it we could restore some farmland to its natural state. In my opinion, in vitro meat (meat that is grown in a laboratory) is promising technology that, if accepted by consumers, will lower the percentage of land needed for livestock. That will allow us to grow more carbon collecting trees and reduce the global population of methane producing farm animals.

    In the Stargate universe, widespread use of Asgard replicator technology could have a similar effect. Naquadah is also, as far as we know, a clean energy that could be used to replace carbon producing fuels, and a global transportation network using beaming technology will reduce the burden on the environment caused by carbon producing modes of transportation.
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    I have heard about this project :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall
    It looks promising. I would also plant plenty of solar energy panels near the sea coasts, so the sea water could be desalted then used to make plantation and small vegetations. Or they should make more oasis with drilling up the artesi water and move some sanddunes around it to change the fields with machines. Just until we have got enough coal or oil, nobody would care about solar energy. I also still remember the "Cave of swimmers", so the Sahara used to be a savannah in the bronze age when those cave arts were painted by humans. But this Green Wall Project would be a major terraforming project for humanity for the next few hundred years.
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    There are a number of Sahara terraforming proposals, including one that relies heavily on installing lots of solar panels and wind turbines in the area.

    Again, though, the problem with terraforming the Sahara wholesale is that the Sahara plays an important environmental role as is. We only discovered that Sahara dust fertilizes rain forests in South America in 2006 and have only started doing detailed studies in the last few years. We don't yet know how badly we'd damage those rain forests if we packed that Sahara dust under fertile lands, how badly that would impact ocean life (phytoplankton, a huge absorber of carbon dioxide, depends on dust that winds deposit into oceans to live), or what other damage we'd be doing to another part of the world.

    Here's an article about the Sahara's role in fertilizing South America: https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard...mazon-s-plants

    There's a lot more easy to find information about this subject that I'd recommend reading before jumping on the desert terraforming bandwagon. We need trees to live, but we need deserts as well, and it's not in our best interest to be looking to do away with them. The Sahara supports the growth of rain forests elsewhere in the world, deserts are quite possibly bigger carbon sinks than plant life (https://www.newscientist.com/article...in-the-desert/), arid conditions enable the formation of large mineral deposits, etc.
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    if the Sahara cycles between jungle & desert every few thousand years or so (which is only a blink on the evolutionary scale) then how can the desert period be so vital to an ecosystem on the other side of the planet or to the ocean?
    or do both south america & the oceans also cycle every thousands years? +_-


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    if the Sahara cycles between jungle & desert every few thousand years or so (which is only a blink on the evolutionary scale) then how can the desert period be so vital to an ecosystem on the other side of the planet or to the ocean?
    or do both south america & the oceans also cycle every thousands years? +_-
    We don't know yet...

    It's currently unclear how long South American rain forests have been receiving fertilizer from the Sahara for and how they managed during the last green cycle, but forcing the Sahara to be green ahead of schedule may (among other far reaching consequences) seriously damage the rain forest.


    That South American rain forests get a lot of their nutrients from the Sahara is a relatively new discovery. A lot more research needs to be done to figure out how this relationship has worked throughout history. It's possible, as you note, that there's a see-saw effect, so that when the Sahara changes back to a wetter/green climate, another part of the world dries up and sands from this new desert area make it to rain forests in South America. Sahara dust is not alone in feeding life in other parts of the world. Dust from other deserts feed phytoplankton in oceans, dust from Mojave Desert supplies nutrients to plants elsewhere in North America, etc.

    Scientists can track dust storms today, but it's difficult to pinpoint sources of dust in prehistoric times, so while we know the South American rain forests get nutrients from the Sahara, we don't know where its nutrients came from millions or even thousands of years ago.
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    I have never heard about this fertizitation study, but it is interesting. I always believed that the sand of the Sahara is completly infertile material as almost nothing lives there. So even if the winds blows to South america, what would it change? There is enough organic matter in the jungle (dead animals and leafs), so I am a bit sceptical about it what sand could change in the food chain of the ocean or the Amazonas. Even spores are carried by insects, not sand.

    Obviously if the Roman Empire and other ancient civilizations haven't chopped all the forest to build ships around the Mediterrean Sea then maybe the climate wouldn't have changed so rapidly. That is the reason Greece or even Scotland looks like a stone desert or half desert now as the rain washes down the remaining ground from the rocks.

    The Sahara must have been a big savannak, before animals herds have not started to eat every grass and bushes too. That is the reason how amazing to see trees or mammals on those cave arts as it shows how it used to be.

    I have been in Petra (Jordan) as well. Okay, that is Arabia, but even the climate must have changed so drastically within 2000 years. There were big grape and olive plantations around this used to be city, but now it is just a massive stone desert. It is still beautiful, it is worth of going there. But it is a fair warning what could happen with lots of other places in this region.

    So I really would like to see that humanity can slow down the climate change as the Sahara can easily go up to north. Spain, Italy or Greece will be dryer and dryer, so even those countries can turn into a desert easily. Lucky me I have been in the Tabernas desert too, which is the only tiny little desert in Europe. It is located in Spain near Andalucia. Lots of western movies were shot there.

    Sorry guys for the massive off, but we can return later now to the US Space Force.
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