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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Just like every unwashed protester in every city in the world, it must be Soros. I wish I knew where they were handing out the checks.

    (Pay no attention to the fact that Exxon and Shell have known for forty frickin' years and tried to hide it.)
    Haven't you noticed how ''Soros'' sounds like ''Tacos''? In ancient salsa language Oros means Tacos and the S stands for Sentient.

    Sentient Tacos is Soros: confirmed.
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    I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to—I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.

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    *drops a bowling ball and a feral cat behind GF*

    So is terminal velocity
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    If Annoyed were a Cop you could find a murderer with the knife in his hand, bloodied, standing over the dead body, fingerprints on the handle and he'd still let the guy go.

    Ok... Let's go ahead and just hypothetically suggest for a moment that 99% of the World's scientists are wrong / liars who are getting paid off (By who exactly as an aside?). That doesn't change what is happening still. The world's getting hotter. The ice caps are melting. Extreme weather is getting more common. One way or another the world cannot go on like it isn't happening. These are all FACTS. CO2 levels in the atmosphere are increasing. FACT. CO2 is toxic to most animal life. FACT. Water levels are rising. FACT. Hell, fossil fuels are a finite resource. FACT.

    One way or another, the economy cannot remain based in the manner in which it is at the moment. Regardless of any of this we still require renewable energy sources, more fuel efficient vehicles which ideally do not run off of fossil energy and a generally more sustainable way of living. And either way we need to do it soon.
    As I said, follow the money.

    1st:
    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...warming-scare/

    Fraud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of spreading fright, they haven't been so good at hiding their real motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst driving the climate scare.

    We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different.

    If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures -- they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

    Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

    "One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

    So what is the goal of environmental policy?

    "We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer.

    For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn't really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that "the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated."
    2nd.
    That vast majority of the scientiests screaming "the sky is falling" are government or educational institution employees or contractors. These folks are paid to study things like this, many on a "by the study" basis.
    If they report back to their employers that there is no problem, that's the end of their gravy train. But if they raise an alarm, there's a good chance of "more study required". The gravy train rolls on.

    3rd. There is a lot of money to be transferred around with all of their suggested solutions, what with carbon taxes, energy use taxes and all the rest of it.

    Clearly, there are a lot of financial incentives to be gained by perpetuating this idea.

    With no concrete proof, isn't it a good bet that the real motivation are financial and not environmental in nature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by annoyed View Post
    as i said, follow the money.

    1st:
    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...warming-scare/



    2nd.
    That vast majority of the scientiests screaming "the sky is falling" are government or educational institution employees or contractors. These folks are paid to study things like this, many on a "by the study" basis.
    If they report back to their employers that there is no problem, that's the end of their gravy train. But if they raise an alarm, there's a good chance of "more study required". The gravy train rolls on.

    3rd. There is a lot of money to be transferred around with all of their suggested solutions, what with carbon taxes, energy use taxes and all the rest of it.

    Clearly, there are a lot of financial incentives to be gained by perpetuating this idea.

    With no concrete proof, isn't it a good bet that the real motivation are financial and not environmental in nature?
    there is concrete proof
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    Proof fabricated by the left to take money from the hard working stiffs. Its all a scam to take away the money from the hard working stiff. The truth is out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    there is concrete proof
    It's annoyed being a pavement pizza after the theory of gravity was proven.
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    I love it. His "proof" is an editorial -- without attribution, no less -- that's full of misquotes and mischaracterizations, on a website whose flatly partisan editorial section routinely makes Ted Nugent look like Lenin.


    Follow the money? Well, how about let's follow one particular odyssey--Exxon.

    Let's start with the fact that scientists Exxon paid to do the research figured out the damage and danger of carbon dioxide buildup in 19-freaking-77, before "climate change" ever entered the public vernacular. And how they yelled about it over and over to Exxon management, but were ignored. And how, instead of doing anything about it, Exxon management instead decided to spent forty years trying to sow doubt about what their own studies had determined--and which was given more and more weight over the decades as more and more research was done. And Shell, too.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-40-years-ago/
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...hange-warnings

    And that they sat on the research until it came out in 2015, 38 years later.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-34750196
    https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7908541.html

    And how they and Shell have been sued for misleading the public.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...limate-change/
    http://time.com/5433486/new-york-sue...limate-change/

    And how a federal judge threw out Exxon's attempt to block investigations into their misleading of the public.
    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...r-Up-Case.html

    ....and how Exxon finally came around to admit to the dangers their products cause
    https://money.cnn.com/2017/12/12/inv...isk/index.html

    And how now, Exxon, BP, and Royal Dutch Shell are all lobbying for a carbon tax
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/exxon-m...-a-carbon-tax/

    But that in spite of that, they were still trying to cover up their own research and history of lies to limit their own liability. In January of this year, the SCOTUS declined to hear Exxon's case that was attempting to block investigations into what they knew and when
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8716451.html


    The largest oil companies in the world knew. And they knew because they did the damned research themselves. And when they didn't like the results, they tried to cover it up. And when they were exposed, they tried to use their money and influence to prevent anybody from finding out.

    Follow the money? There's your god damned money.
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    About that GF. I may have driven over him with my car. Multiple times. In my defense, I was eating bacon at the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    About that GF. I may have driven over him with my car. Multiple times. In my defense, I was eating bacon at the time
    Well, we know the fall would not have killed him, theories have no impact, unlike a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    It is a bizarre state of affairs isn’t it?

    In some ways I can understand it to a degree. Part of the appeal of these kinds of movements is that they are places for outsiders. People who don’t fit in so easily in society. And yet there are these communities that can provide a clique for them to become a part of and make them feel like they’re “in the know.”

    I highly recommend a fella on YouTube called SciMan Dan who debunks Flat Earth and a lot of other Pseudo Science videos on there. It can be pretty cringeny but it can be interesting to see the mentality of these people.
    i have watched many of those debunk 'flat tards' videos

    i see one common problem with them; the people are presenting "Evidence" --shocking!!!-- that does the debunking

    the problem though, is that many if not all of these 'flat tards', will not accept the evidence on principle if nothing else

    the 'principle being that all of the evidence is faked---

    pics of earth from space?-- faked. airbrushed, cgi, animation ,etc

    gravity?-- doesn't exist

    "you are not either high enough (altitude) or observing a long enough distance to see any curvature"-- answer from them is usually silence


    they need to get as basic and as in your face as the flat tards do. the fe's have predetermined to NOT ACCEPT any arguments based in science!!!


    Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Richard Branson could give a flat tard a ride to high altitude/low orbit so they could observe curvature first hand

    what would the answer be? flat earther : "they brought me to a facility where they put me on a "spacecraft" and later I observed what appeared to be the earth from low orbit. BUT I know (because I just do) that they drugged me and then woke me up after we arrived at a soundstage where this elaborate display was put on for me. Then they drugged me again"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Proof fabricated by the left to take money from the hard working stiffs. Its all a scam to take away the money from the hard working stiff. The truth is out there

    *cue X-Files music*
    See that is exactly the thing. To deny man made climate change is to deny a scientific consensus from around the globe. Even China accepts that climate change is man made and remains in the Paris agreement despite their infrastructure being heavily dependant around fossil fuels. Norway accepts it despite their economy being based on selling oil!

    So yeah let’s just call Man-made climate change deniers what they really are. Conspiracy theorists... Among stronger language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaeden View Post
    It sounds like I'm about to go down a rabbit hole, but I'll give it a shot anyway...



    For example, it is a fact that animals have evolved over time. This is not going to ever be disproved unless Descartes' musing about the world being an illusion created by an evil demon (or some variation thereof) turns out to be true.
    well, thank you Xaeden if for nothing else, this is the first time I have seen someone other than myself mention Descartes in a SCI FI forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    See that is exactly the thing. To deny man made climate change is to deny a scientific consensus from around the globe. Even China accepts that climate change is man made and remains in the Paris agreement despite their infrastructure being heavily dependant around fossil fuels. Norway accepts it despite their economy being based on selling oil!

    So yeah let’s just call Man-made climate change deniers what they really are. Conspiracy theorists... Among stronger language.
    I'm done extending the courtesy of being so kind. It's reality-denying derangement, and an active threat to everyone around them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magi877 View Post
    Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Richard Branson could give a flat tard a ride to high altitude/low orbit so they could observe curvature first hand

    what would the answer be? flat earther : "they brought me to a facility where they put me on a "spacecraft" and later I observed what appeared to be the earth from low orbit. BUT I know (because I just do) that they drugged me and then woke me up after we arrived at a soundstage where this elaborate display was put on for me. Then they drugged me again"
    To be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if Musk does do that at some point. Though even if the flat earthier accepts it the rest of the “community” would just say he’s a paid off traitor or been replaced with a lizard or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Who Knows View Post
    Not Who (or even whom) but what.
    Answer is in Tolkins Lord of the Rings, it is a fortress or castle
    "Gondor" is a Kingdom of Man in "Tolkien's" Lord of the Rings

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    Though even if the flat earthier accepts it the rest of the “community” would just say he’s a paid off traitor or been replaced with a lizard or something.
    something like that has happened--a flat tard civil war of sorts

    and the guy didn't even say the earth was round- it was a disagreement on the nature of the supposed 'flatness'

    they accused the guy of being paid of by NASA

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    Climate change or man made climate change (MMCC) to me, is not 'fake' it is happening BUT not in the way it is being hyped

    I say hyped because mankind has never let a good money making, hype-ride go to waste

    money-or some exchange of items of value- has always been made from every disaster

    as to the warming, yes, the planet is warming. Mankind would not exist in the form and numbers that we do today if it were not for the last period of warming post-last ice age 10-12,000 yrs ago

    and that warming took place WITH DISASTROUS SEA level rise (there is much evidence on Continental shelves all around the world of man made places 'sunk' by the last warm up)

    all of this ice melt took place with little more then man's camp fires

    ------and here is where someone reading will be typing in response "science denier' ; you posted this thread and now you are saying...etc,etc"---------

    and this is how these kooks and their goofball 'theories' (flat earth, bigfoot, green space aliens, young earth,etc) damages the field of discussion. that is, no one can come out in dissent to anything real and important- OR in the case of MMCC, agree it is man made or man aggravated BUT have some slight differences in how they think it is happening or what should be done.

    they get called kook themselves and then get lumped in with the nuts like the flat earthers


    with MMCC, for me, I believe man's activities are seriously aggravating a natural occurrence

    the hype comes in because all I see is people and corporations with items and 'earth saving' gadgets and schemes for sale

    governments have reacted in far more sensible ways and given away for free, remedies and solutions in the past to issues far less serious then this

    say the vaccination programs in the 50's and after--- it was free. needed to stem disease. serious yes, but nowhere nearly as serious as the "extinction" of life as we know it due to MMCC.

    it is hyped for marketing reasons--buy this car and 'save the planet', but this gadget and 'save the planet'

    the other free things that man could do are not marketed as heavily as they should be. the use of plastics, recycling (real recycling), waste to energy, "needs" vs "wants" all of this can be done for free

    but corporations would make little to no money from this tactic so we get the marketing scheme instead

    governments should also have begun to have populations move inland. but no, instead they advocate for 'sea walls' nd the like, all plans that will make some company billions in an effort that would probably do little to change the situation of seas rise and inundation

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    I'm done extending the courtesy of being so kind. It's reality-denying derangement, and an active threat to everyone around them.
    The problem is, and has always been is that climate change HAS been a natural phenomena for all of Earths existence, and as such provides a nice "dodge" for people wanting to deny that we can have an impact on it. Making the small leap that we are able to affect a natural event seems to be beyond these people. In addition, the way it has been, for want of a better term, marketed, to the general public allows for dissent. First it was warming, then cooling, then just generic "change". Then of course you have the things like carbon credits and such to make it appear as a pure money grab. I can UNDERSTAND the dissent of opinion based on these 3 factors, yet it does not change the underlying science, just the opinion on WHY or HOW things should be done. People suggest using solar power? The stock answer is "it's not sunny all the time". Wind? "It's not always windy", Hydro-electric? "it does not help in land-locked places".
    The entire notion of alternate energy get's lost in the sea of excuses about either "it won't work HERE" or the developmental cost is too high, or it's just a money grab.

    These have no basis in fact as we are more than capable of using MULTIPLE vectors to fix the problem, and are quite capable of transmitting power across vast distances. Solar farms in dessert regions, wind farms in high wind area's, Water turbines in coastal regions, even nuclear plants in "dead zones" where no other form of energy production is viable, and EVEN limited amounts of coal and petroleum as a bridging gap as well.
    The creation of the train and the automobile had COSTS, but very few alive remember those costs.
    Does anyone deny we are better off for having rapid transportation?
    No.
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    all of it, just trimmed for space
    Correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Correct.
    I oughta trim your fur!!
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