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    Been reading and watching for any news of Stargate's return. Seems to be some teasing. I have done rewatches of all of the Stargates. Just seems like it's taking forever for MGM to decide. If there is any way we can nudge them a bit put it out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bschultz View Post
    Been reading and watching for any news of Stargate's return. Seems to be some teasing. I have done rewatches of all of the Stargates. Just seems like it's taking forever for MGM to decide. If there is any way we can nudge them a bit put it out there.
    Nope. I refuse to believe in false gods teasers for the past year or so.
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    We have talked about it here : https://forum.gateworld.net/threads/...and-SGC/page50

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    Stargate is essentially a "failed property", not because of its appeal, we all love stargate here, its a failure of MGM and it's end stage designers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Stargate is essentially a "failed property", not because of its appeal, we all love stargate here, its a failure of MGM and it's end stage designers.
    This. Pretty much.
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    We can still fix it. Hopefully.
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    I don't know what needs to be "fixed"
    It's surprising to me that a property that MGM held onto through all but a total collapse is so dismissive of it now.
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    Don't be overdramatic. Just because we are stuck in a black hole and half of the ship is already swallowed by eternal darkness, we still have chance to survive.

    But back to seriousness. I have meant "fixing" to start with these steps :
    1. customer relationship (extension, foreign language, foreign subtitle, working app)
    2. new BW written SG movie(s) / mini show(s) / spin-off(s)
    3. better and higher quality merchandise products
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    Platschu for stargate president!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    Platschu for stargate president!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    Platschu for stargate president!GOD
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    Not to trying to be a party pooper but honestly I think it's going to be quite a while. Eventually MGM may choose to do something further with the franchise if it feels fresh and new but as it stands I think the fandom for Stargate is simply too small, both in terms of die hard fans and casual fans.

    That being said. I think the rebuilding of the Star Trek franchise might give it its best shot. If Sci-fi starts having more mainstream popularity again then it might be the rigjt time for it. But MGM need to get on the wagon before another new sci-fi show comes along. Right now we have Star Trek Discovery, two more Trek shows coming up, The Orville and The Expanse. Bringing Stargate back and fitting it on the right broadcaster might work. Just as long as it isn't sy-fy
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    Oh thank you, guys. I am sure that you are as good and loyal fans as me.

    P-90_177 is right and that is the reason I have talked in the MGM new series thread (around page 50-51) about the other scifi shows and games what are on the market. I've tried to imagine a few times what if I could be like a superfan / showrunner / producer / manager of the SG brand. So I would examine the Stargate as a property, we have to establish and state what were and are we really good at, what was really working, how "our" show is better from the others, what aspects of life / interest / science / style has covered what the otherd couldn't. We should also look around what the others provide, what are their rating, their target audience, their budhet, their marketing campaign, what artistic and television genre style do they use to grab their own viewers. We should also state what was not working, what went wrong, what could be improved as the main focus is creating such a tv show from as less money as possible, while it should look like as expensive as possible and which can gain the attention of old and new viewers. I believe the core of the brand should still be the customer service. That one doesn't need necesserily new shows as we have got such a big television heritage, just to maintain and to max out the current resources and franchise segments, while it can please every side. I would talk about such things in L. A. with the "leadership" that they have forgotten to care about the fan community in the wild revival process. Poor and minimally satisfying service is not good enough as just imagine yourself at your workplace. If you would provide such lazy attitude, you would be fired after a week... We deserve better and we could be better. There are hardly any life on SG:C, because they assumed millions of fans will register and pay there, but that is a long distance goal and they have chosen the wrong way to reach it. I understand the owners if they want as much as income as possible with the smallest investment, but if they can not and don't want to extend the service, then why have they expected it will be successfull? Nostalgia won't sell everything. They should have made an Origins type of "smaller budget SG movie" every 3-6 months as that would be a great start to pull people there and to make them stay as well. They were not bothered to make a proper forum, just a message board, where the more serious conversations are all lost as more and more new posts shows up. Now try to imagine what would happen if there could be 5000 active members out of 1 million registered paying customers? It would be a flooded mess. But small community, small activity. I have really tired to maintain somehow the buzz, because the message board could be better for visual communication (like pictures), while a proper forum for talk about episodes and cons. Since we have got the GW here in the last 20 years, this is the best and the oldest SG forum. I could feel it on SG:C how the last glimpse of enthusiasm started to fade away after the premier of Catherine, then the promises, promises and promises made disappointed even the most loyal fans... Now maybe 5-20 people are willing to communicate on the SG:C day by day, so I am sorry to say, but the app has failed. And not because SG fans would have died out or we don't like this franchise anymore, simply because it was badly advertised, wrongly communicated, full of glitches, 90% of the world is closed out, hardly any moderator activity happen. So what have they expected? Somehow I feel this Superfan contest will be also just a lie, if they can not change their behaviour. Superfans can suggest whatever they want, if the leadership's attitude doesn't change. Entertaining a community with articles, videos, quizes must come from heart, not just because you are paid for it. And I believe somehow the soul of the fandom has been a bit lost when we could all feel how material it became. Onthe hand they could also say, that what are we expecting for 20 dollars for a year? You know I wouldn't mind to pay more often, if I would know that I am getting new movies or episodes and a really good fan experience. Maybe I have sounded a bit too negative, but that is how I see the app at the moment. It must be fixed, updated then find the right people who can serve the community with ideas, so the satisfaction level could increase and people could feel themselves home. As I have said it before, I would expect the SG:C to be equivalent to my own SG DVDs, like an easier accessable digital version of it. And then while the service of the app is improving, they could revive the franchise. Similar to the Marvel, they should make a 5 years plan and step by step increase the quantity and quality what they can afford. The app needs new paying customers, customers need new live action materials. It is not impossible to make these two interest to cover each other.
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    Games. Don't forget games.

    Technically, what I actually mean, is that Stargate both deserves and needs a bigger franchise than just the TV series as it has now. The current comics and novels just feel "tacked on" rather than an expansion of the franchise, compared to, say, Star Wars. For an Expanded Universe, they're really too distant from the core of the franchise to be seen as "expanding the universe". Of course, it all goes back to MGM's terrible track record with marketing, promotion, and management of the "Stargate" IP.

    That they want to keep Stargate going is one thing. But if they don't have the capability and resources to pull it off, any attempt is going to be futile and therefore useless. Moreover, it could actually work counter-intuitively and ruin the brand (even more). They would need a really big investment to kickstart (no pun intended) a "new era", either by themselves investing a massive budget (unlikely), getting other (large) investors/studios involved (likewise unlikely), and/or to get freelancers involved who can work independently (as in, licensing the "Stargate" brand to, say, established game developers and comic publishers, or indies who can get the funding separately).

    Essentially, the way I see it, is that MGM should modernize and "open up" the brand to allow external writers/artists/developers/filmmakers a real chance to spin up the franchise, rather than keep it entirely in-house and closed off. And I don't mean just letting fans make "fan-fiction" and then have them sign away their rights to it, I mean actually opening up the brand to license it out to those who can actually make something really worthwhile, no matter who they are, and then receive the licensing fees for it as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickEast View Post
    Games. Don't forget games.

    Technically, what I actually mean, is that Stargate both deserves and needs a bigger franchise than just the TV series as it has now. The current comics and novels just feel "tacked on" rather than an expansion of the franchise, compared to, say, Star Wars. For an Expanded Universe, they're really too distant from the core of the franchise to be seen as "expanding the universe". Of course, it all goes back to MGM's terrible track record with marketing, promotion, and management of the "Stargate" IP.

    That they want to keep Stargate going is one thing. But if they don't have the capability and resources to pull it off, any attempt is going to be futile and therefore useless. Moreover, it could actually work counter-intuitively and ruin the brand (even more). They would need a really big investment to kickstart (no pun intended) a "new era", either by themselves investing a massive budget (unlikely), getting other (large) investors/studios involved (likewise unlikely), and/or to get freelancers involved who can work independently (as in, licensing the "Stargate" brand to, say, established game developers and comic publishers, or indies who can get the funding separately).

    Essentially, the way I see it, is that MGM should modernize and "open up" the brand to allow external writers/artists/developers/filmmakers a real chance to spin up the franchise, rather than keep it entirely in-house and closed off. And I don't mean just letting fans make "fan-fiction" and then have them sign away their rights to it, I mean actually opening up the brand to license it out to those who can actually make something really worthwhile, no matter who they are.
    In some ways I think Stargate kind of backed itself into a corner with how it progressed. If they continued the story from where it left off then you would have a show that doesn’t really appeal to a new casual audience because part of Stargate’s novelty is that it is set in the modern day. And yet as of when Stargate finished we had ships powerful enough to take and destroy all our enemies with no problems. Stargate was and is at its best when it’s about us being the underdog, which is why the widely accepted best seasons of each show are still SG-1 1-7 , Atlantis seasons 1-2 and SGU as a whole because it was when humanity was constantly on the back foot. The showrunners did build up a universe, but it was a universe where we were very nearly at the end of the story by the time the shows finished.

    So if the brand really can be opened up again to new opportunities then it really needs to be a reboot.
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    With a little creativity, there are so many options to "nerf" the technology. It's not that hard at all. I don't recall in any episode that all problems were instantly solved, even with the advanced technology. Since 2007, when SG-1 was cancelled, I have come up with several ideas to compensate for the seeming "OP" nature of our technology.

    A reboot does not open up the franchise for new opportunities. What it does is allow someone else who doesn't care for the franchise to start over without having to consider anything that came before. That destroys a brand more often than that it reinvigorates it.

    A little imagination can do wonders. And if even I can come up with a few ideas, then what could happen when a bunch of experienced writers, with the help from BW or other veterans, are brainstorming new ideas.

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    "Reboot" is banned from my SG dictionary. No, no and noooo! We have got a great lore, great tv shows, so even me as an amateur writer / dreamer could imagine at least 3-4-5 interesting spinoff scenarios. There would be so much way to introduce new stargate networks, new galaxies, returning the existing storylines or even jump in time and to tell stories about other eras of the Stargate history.

    I really liked the concept of Stargate : Worlds how they wanted to move the franchise into the computergame as they wanted a direct connection between the game and the live action shows. Just somehow they were unlucky with the game developers as well. After the cancellation of Stargate SG-1 : The Alliance, maybe they should have made a "smaller", but finally released Stargate game instead of the MMORPG.

    I was thinking a few weeks ago that somebody could make some simple Stargate mobile games, but obviously the legal rights would never let them publish. I have imgined a little replicator game, where we could play a Replicator, who must multiply itself, so it would eat metal pieces in a logic game. etc.

    I am not against Expanded Universe as everything can be treated as an alternate timeline. Even the Stargate : Infinity or the story elements of novels, comics, cancelled games.

    But currentlly their main focus should be to find such an SG form, where the invested money / paying customer rate are constant. So they should focus on such fixed SG programs (Origins story, tv movie, mini series), which can be done and can maintain and improve the number of paying customers of the app. That is what I expect from this year, that they will announce at least 1 Origins story for year 2, then they can move forward in year 3.

    I was also thinking what if they could hire Jason Momoa to advertise the SG:C app. Probably he is horrible expensive now, but millions of people love and fololow him because of GoT and his Hollywood carrier, so he could be the face of the franchise to gain new paying customers to see him in his early years. Even he could invest into Stargate from his salary, but I doubt that he would be interested in such negotiations.
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    Making an MMO was the worst decision. What's even worse is that the developers were basically rookies, having never made even a regular video game. On top of that, the reasons the game was cancelled seem to have been both financial trouble with the developers, and fraud by either the publisher or the management of the development studio. But it also seemed that the game contradicted itself. It was intended to take place in the small gap between seasons 8 and 9, but so many things were introduced in the game that it seemed to be far ahead of the series in terms of technology and lore. Not to mention the amount of events that were supposed to happen in what would not have been a very large timeline gap (less than a year).

    The Unleashed game was also an abomination. A mobile game is not the way to go for something like this, especially for narrative-driven games (unless it's multi-platform, such as the Telltale games). It doesn't have to be AAA either (actually, AAA would be just as bad). But in any case it should be a proper "console" game (aka, PC, PlayStation, and XBOX at the very least). Just like with a webseries compared to a regular TV series, mobiles games are nice as small tidbits alongside regular games, but not as the only platform.

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    I agree. SG:W could have been started later when they had stable income and positive critics from the first few SG games. Stargate : Worlds was considered like an official, in-canon "virtual spinoff" which was written by Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper. And it looked so promising on concept arts, so maybe a computer game could have been the way to show such things what they could never afford on a tv show. You know they have done 40 episodes from 80-85 million dollars what is insane and nowadays it wouldn't be achieavable if you want to mainain a standard quality. That is the reason I have said I really understand their struggling as well. SG:W could have open up the franchise and show a wider, more interactive part of the galaxy. I still hope that some ideas could be saved for future SG projects.
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    I agree with @Platcshu, reboot=NO WAY! We have way too much Canon and lore in the franchise.. I just wish MGM would commit instead of being so tentative. To me it just seems like they're afraid to fail.. IMO if they would just stick to the ORIGINAL FORMULA I think they might be surprised.. based off of all the stories you hear of even New generation starting out watching Stargate now, and just getting into the show recently, I truly think that it would work but they just need to "sack up" for lack of a better term.. it needs to be a worldwide thing, and I mean 100% worldwide not partially... And I think the reception will be better than they think. My worry is if they don't act soon, all the original actors aren't going to be around forever.. and a lot of them have expressed that they have an interest in doing something with the franchise recently, I really hope that it just doesn't go to waste and they wait too long.. I don't know, I know I'm being optimistic here but my love for this franchise is never ending and right now it's still plausible. so I don't want to be negative about it while it's still possible for it to happen. That might sound naive but this is my favorite show of all time and I'm sure a lot of you share that sentiment. That's just my two cents, everybody have a great day

    I do also agree that @Platcshu should be nominated president and honorary God lol he is the absolute MAN in my book.

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