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    The movie will be written by Stargate Atlantis' executive producers Joseph Mallozzi and Paul Mullie, who also serve as series showrunners. The movie is set to follow the fifth and final season of Stargate Atlantis, as it draws to its thrilling conclusion in January 2009.

    Ok does anyone know if they actually wrote the screen play or not? if so what was the plot of said movie.

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    It was indeed written. After it was clear that it was not going to get made, Mallozzi posted a summary on his blog: https://josephmallozzi.com/2013/03/3...on-and-beyond/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaeden View Post
    It was indeed written. After it was clear that it was not going to get made, Mallozzi posted a summary on his blog: https://josephmallozzi.com/2013/03/3...on-and-beyond/
    HOLY COW ! ! ! That would have beeen beyond awesome. Tooooo bad the missing 1.5 billion dollar lottery ticket in South Carolina couldn't be found by a Stargate fan to fund more SGA....

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    Thanks for sharing the link again. As much as I love the Atlantis as a Moon base idea, I don't like the self-destruct plot. Why would the Ancients build in such things into their own cityship? It feels really forced to find a reason why the city must leave our solar system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Thanks for sharing the link again. As much as I love the Atlantis as a Moon base idea, I don't like the self-destruct plot. Why would the Ancients build in such things into their own cityship? It feels really forced to find a reason why the city must leave our solar system.
    My thoughts exactly! “The we gotta go back or it’s gonna blow up” thing does feel forced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Thanks for sharing the link again. As much as I love the Atlantis as a Moon base idea, I don't like the self-destruct plot. Why would the Ancients build in such things into their own cityship? It feels really forced to find a reason why the city must leave our solar system.
    Echoing the thanks. I hadn't read that particular blog post about the plot! I'm with Plats on this one. I don't think that particular plot angle sounds reasonable.

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    Honestly I have never liked how Stargate travel can accidentally kill travelers. Imagine you are the almighty Ancients, who build a network of stargates to connect planets for yourself and smaller, still evolving younger races. Then why would they not build in some warning? I would have expected some safety feature like
    -the chevrons won't lock if the air is unbreathable on the other side
    -it shows a warning to the dialer
    -the DHD or it transfers the wormhole to a second address
    -it keeps the traveler in memory for a time etc.
    Or what would happen if there is energy shield or mechanical barrier (like Iris) on the other side? I doubt that they were just sending kinos ahead all the time. I was thinking on such "stargate protocols" (basically stargate network functions) when I was brainstorming ideas for a new SG spinoff (see my Milky way in 2020 thread). A few episodes could be written around understanding the working and meaning of the gate system in the future.

    So back to the Extincition plot. It is nice to see the Triangulum galaxy. Maybe he talked about the Vanir (evil Asgard), but we will never know it now.
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    I don't know why he has shared these pages. Does he want to earn money to publish it as a book? Or he has given up to be an SG writer again on the next spinoff? Or is it about attention or one last desperate attempt to push MGM? Or does he test the fans' patience? Just because they don't do such things in tv industry. This backstabbing step is not elegant so to say.

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    Story wise (SPOILERS!) : time-travelelling Todd? Seriously? And Ironman type Sheppard? Even more seriously?! These were the best ideas to come up with? Why can they not tell us just a simple straight adventure movie without time travel or alternate realities...
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    Well there is a chance that Fandemonium may publish both the SGA and SG-1 movies as novels, but there's nothing definite yet.

    https://forum.gateworld.net/threads/...1#post14653404


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    Read the comments here, but hey this is like seeing a few seconds out of a 2h movie, not sure it's possible to draw an accurate picture of what would've been the movie.

    At first glance though, I'd say this flick would've been great. I think time travelling Todd would be awesome and really I've always wondered why the Ancients never created ''Mech suits'' or tanks of some sort.
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    But if they want to publish it as a novel then they don't reveal pages from it. And not this way. And not for this reason. And not now. Anyway we will see what will happen.

    I like time travel stories, but only as part of a season for 1-2 episodes. Not when the complete movie is based on it then they push the reset button and the AU timeline sacrifices itself for an unknown one. So FutureTodd or the upgraded Asgard suits could be fun as part of the season 6 of Atlantis.

    You know I liked Continuum, but the whole story hasn't had any effect on our main timeline. SG movies should be kept for some bigger "reasons". But I am sure most of us would be happy to get any SG movie at the current stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    I don't know why he has shared these pages. Does he want to earn money to publish it as a book? Or he has given up to be an SG writer again on the next spinoff? Or is it about attention or one last desperate attempt to push MGM? Or does he test the fans' patience? Just because they don't do such things in tv industry. This backstabbing step is not elegant so to say.
    I get the impression that he's simply been going through his records and came across some nostalgia that he wanted to share with people.

    I'm not sure how he's "backstabbing" anyone by doing this, and I seriously doubt he thinks there's any chance of getting the band back together and new, very expensive sets built to produce a one-off movie. That ship has sailed, and he has to know that as an industry insider. There's a good chance that he's not able to publish it in full since he was paid to write it (even if MGM ultimately didn't pick it up), so he doesn't technically own it and therefore can't publish more than excerpts online.

    I've been in a similar situation myself before. I had work for a creative project that never was seen by people, so I later wrote a bit about them and offered some excerpts. I had no motivations other than that I thought people would be interested, and I wanted to share a little bit of the work I did. I could have put everything online since I retained the rights, but I was happy limiting it.

    In my case, there was the hope that I would personally have an opportunity to be able to rework the material for another medium. In Mallozzi's, sure, he may be hoping MGM will publish it or turn it into something. If people are interested they might publish it in full on Stargate Command or turn it into a comic/novel. I don't see anything wrong with thinking that might be the end result, and I'm not sure why you're attributing dark motivations here.

    But if they want to publish it as a novel then they don't reveal pages from it. And not this way. And not for this reason. And not now. Anyway we will see what will happen.
    Why not? They're just excerpts. They reveal some points that would have been touched on (like a film trailer or book review or synopsis of a novel might), but they don't spoil the whole story, and a novel is going to take liberties anyway. I don't see how this does anything other than get more people excited than they otherwise would have been to want to see the complete story in some other medium.

    Also, unproduced scripts have been leaked wholesale before and then gotten life in another medium based on how much interest they drummed up. For example, William Gibsons wrote an unproduced script for Alien 3. It ended up being leaked online...

    Father of cyberpunk, William Gibson’s original script for Alien III, written in 1987 as a sequel to Aliens, never made it to our screens, although it went on to achieve cult status among fans as the third installment that might have been after being leaked online.

    And it led to the production of both a comic book and audio drama...

    Dark Horse just brought William Gibson‘s unproduced Alien 3 script to life in the form of a comic book mini-series, and we’ve just learned on the road to the fourth annual “Alien Day” this week that the script is next being turned into an original audio drama by Audible.

    Source: https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/...l-biehn-hicks/

    This just happened in 2018 and 2019, respectively.

    Other leaked scripts have gone down a similar path or received interest in something being done with them that has not yet materialized. Hell, Deadpool got made because test footage was leaked, and for years before that smaller circles online had been talking up a draft of the final script that was leaked in 2010.* Full and partial leaks of dead projects is an increasingly viable way of "undeading" them in some fashion.

    *Here's an article confirming it was the legitimate script: http://www.deadpoolbugle.com/2010/10...pt-leaked.html

    Here we see that Fox was trying limit chatter about it by forcing take downs of reviews at the time: https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Dead...con-21158.html)

    Here you can see the review before it was taken down, which might have helped build buzz that could have gotten the movie made sooner if Fox didn't go after it: http://web.archive.org/web/201010170...con-21158.html

    Thanks for sharing the link again. As much as I love the Atlantis as a Moon base idea, I don't like the self-destruct plot. Why would the Ancients build in such things into their own cityship? It feels really forced to find a reason why the city must leave our solar system.
    Couldn't agree with you more.
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    Yeah, I don't see it as backstabbing either. I'd rather have some snippets than never get to see actual pieces of it. I'm hopeful something will come of that exchange between Fandy and Joe. I'd love to see it realized in some fashion because I'm sure it'll never come as a film.

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    Okay, maybe I haven't expressed myself correctly or I have overreacted it, apology. What I have meant about "backstabbing" that obviously he must have given up the chance it will be ever produced. So why does he share such details with the fans? That we will start a buzz or campaign for him? Were his actions authorized by MGM or has he acted behind their back to try to create some pressure on them by us?

    I know fans accept the new stories for the entertaining value, but it must mean different only a "job" when you are working on it in full time. So I don't know how much are they fans of their own established lore, but I don't like being "used" for financial reasons. We have no influence on the future of Stargate. No campaign, no subscription, no twitter storm could convince them. So why would JM believe that clicking on his SG:A script will change their attitude?
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    I really do think his main motivation is just to share some fun bits of a project he is proud of with people who would be excited by them. Secondarily, he may think that it will also create some buzz, and it would be great if that led to it being made available to fans in some manner.

    There's not really any money of consequence in it for him. He already got paid to write the script, and he has to know it's not going to be made into a live action movie. A novel or comic book is possible, but those make very little money, and usually writers in Mallozzi's position do not have contracts that allow them to get paid for that. He'd get paid more if it was produced, but any profits from any tie-material derived from any of the scripts he wrote for MGM (whether produced or not) very likely goes entirely to MGM.

    By now he's going through a number of old things, including the collection of behind-the-screens tapes that he has been storing on his dime, and he's turning them over to MGM so they can release the material to fans as they see fit. He's not getting paid for that. He's doing it out of a love for the history of a project he once worked on and a desire for fans to enjoy that material. Similarly, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd like to see MGM publish his script on Stargate Command. Again, he wouldn't get paid for that.

    You're assuming dark motivations when I don't see any justification to do so. This seems entirely innocent and benign, and there's no reason for him to "use" people for money when there's no money here for him. The only possible motivator for him to want to create buzz among fans is to convince MGM to release or re-adapt the script in a low earning revenue that he will likely never see a penny of.

    The guy probably just wants people to see something he wrote that he's proud of. Why does there have to be a conspiracy here?
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    Been enjoying the screenshots Joe has been posting and would love to have a copy of the whole script.

    An ebook of the script, as is, couldn't be too expensive to produce could it? It is already written, from the looks of it needs minimal proofreading if any, and just needs to be formatted.

    I'm not too keen on having it novelized by Fandy. Joe's voice, humor, and the feel of the official script style would be steamrolled over and take more time to write out. Worse, Fandy has a track record for using incorrect non-canon pronouns and adding loads of needless and incorrect editorializing and non-canon details, such as Vulcan green blood (or black blood) instead of red and Drow photophobic eyes which would detract from the Todd vs Future Todd fight scene in a distracting way. Future Todd would probably be given bad breath and insults to his race for no reason and the John and Todd handshake scene would probably come with a 20 line exposition about how great Earthborn-humans are, a demagogic sales technique to make readers feel good. No thanks.

    Also: I don't want to come across anyone bragging about special access to Fandy extras, such as friend-locked links I have seen posted and alluded to on here the rest of us are not privy to. Those are their licensed fanfictions, but this is Joe's script, not theirs. Geoblocking is bad enough and the last thing the fandom needs is more haves and have nots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    But if they want to publish it as a novel then they don't reveal pages from it. And not this way. And not for this reason. And not now. Anyway we will see what will happen.

    I like time travel stories, but only as part of a season for 1-2 episodes. Not when the complete movie is based on it then they push the reset button and the AU timeline sacrifices itself for an unknown one. So FutureTodd or the upgraded Asgard suits could be fun as part of the season 6 of Atlantis.

    You know I liked Continuum, but the whole story hasn't had any effect on our main timeline. SG movies should be kept for some bigger "reasons". But I am sure most of us would be happy to get any SG movie at the current stage.
    Future Todd? I get the feeling that we would get more insight in S6 of where he came from. Maybe not from an AU, but from the main one's own future. If that's the case, that'd be a first - as we haven't seen old Ba'al go meet his younger self in SG Continuum. So basically, SGA Extinction would be a time travel movie that features a villain change his own future by going to the present. In all other occasions, it was 1) time-travel to the past, 2) change something in the past - or not, 3) arrive to a different future. Looks like in this movie it would go: 1) time-travel from the future to the present, 2) a character meets its younger self, 3) Present Todd kills Future self, 4) Present Todd is now in control of building his own future (and probably has the chance to mess with our heroes more than usual) as there is no Future version of him, 5) because Present Todd is now in control of his own fate, our heroes end up using that to their advantage, thus finally bringing him and the remainder of the Wraith down once and for all.

    As for SG movies being kept for bigger reasons: I agree with that. In fact, I was just thinking about it and what MGM should have done is green-light SGA while enabling SG-1 to continue in a movie series format following its 7th season. That way, more effort would be put in SGA's writing and production while still enabling both shows to have a presence. By the end of Atlantis, SG-1 would be completely done since the finances wouldn't be divided between two spin-offs. Then more effort would be put into SGU as well while giving SGA the same treatment following the end of its final season. That way, we could have had at least two SG spin-offs completed, probably resulting in more interest for the third one.

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    Okay, maybe I haven't expressed myself correctly or I have overreacted it, apology. What I have meant about "backstabbing" that obviously he must have given up the chance it will be ever produced. So why does he share such details with the fans? That we will start a buzz or campaign for him? Were his actions authorized by MGM or has he acted behind their back to try to create some pressure on them by us?

    I know fans accept the new stories for the entertaining value, but it must mean different only a "job" when you are working on it in full time. So I don't know how much are they fans of their own established lore, but I don't like being "used" for financial reasons. We have no influence on the future of Stargate. No campaign, no subscription, no twitter storm could convince them. So why would JM believe that clicking on his SG:A script will change their attitude?
    Well, let's see. SGA ended/got cannceled in 2009. Following SGU's demise, this movie was also cancelled along with the third SG-1 movie. The combo movie idea didn't go trough either. Sets were taken apart and either auctioned or sold. We know that David Hewlett bought the Destiny set. The others were probably either auctioned or sold in parts or even destoryed. Same with costumes and props. The cast members have moved on, some of which have become big names in TV/movie industry and going back to Stargate would be a major stap back for them. Some of the cast members probably went on doing something else than acting altogehter. Some have retired or passed away. So those who would probably be still up for a reunion or something similar are probably too old or just out of shape (or both) to do SG anyway since it's been YEARS since the final episode aired.

    The only way to continue the exisitng story is to start a new spin-off with all new cast with the old cast members returning from time to time. But that's not happening since the way SG was produced, it was too expensive to produce it anyway WHILE it was STILL ON and it would be even more expensive now building new sets and re-building old ones. Plus I doubt that Malozzi, Wright and Cooper would manage to find a cast that would do the show under the work cicumstances that SGA cast did. Plus I don't think they'd be able to kill a character and then bring him back as a clone because... fans request/demand it or whatever.

    Joe knows all of this and that's why he's shared those pages. He knows the movie is not happening and has come to accept it. He knows it's impossible to bring back either Atlantis OR Universe in any way, shape or form as long as TV is in question.
    However, there IS a one good thing about him sharing those pages: they already poked our eyes so I'm sure MGM is keeping that in mind.

    It's not easy to bring back something like Stargate is - the times have changed so it might be wise to wait a couple more years before a new SG series or movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mnikolic View Post
    So basically, SGA Extinction would be a time travel movie that features a villain change his own future by going to the present.
    Yup. Below is an excerpt from a summary Joe provided in 2013. Click the link to read the whole thing.

    “What follows is a high-flying adventure involving a mysterious civilization tapping the limitless potential of the accretion streams between two stars, time travel, and a race against time to avert not only the destruction of Atlantis but the extinction of an entire race.

    ...

    and — through the magic of time-travel — Sheppard and Teyla now aware “that they are destined to be together.”


    https://www.gateworld.net/news/2013/04/stargate-atlantis-producer-reveals-more-of-unfilmed-movie/


    Note that he pretty much already spoiled the ending of the movie and a key twist here because it was clear even then that it was never getting produced.

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    Here's another page of the script JM posted:
    https://josephmallozzi.com/2019/05/1...-and-a-rodney/


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