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    #31
    Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    It's really only Arrow and flash you have to know, simply because they have been speaking about "the crisis" for their whole half seasons. (and sorta since elseworlds, off and on)
    Legends skipped elseworlds, and batwoman was hardly in it. Supergirl has hardly mentioned crisis at all.
    Even then, they are not really "required viewing", but Arrow certainly puts things into perspective.
    If I were to choose something to keep up on, it would be Arrow as this is the last season.
    I've never watched Arrow or The Flash. Only ones I ever got into were Supergirl, Legends and Batwoman.

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      #32
      Their is that risk of allienating some fans but I think the majority watch all the Arrowverse shows. And the ratings for crossovers speak for themselves
      Originally posted by aretood2
      Jelgate is right

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        #33
        Originally posted by Annoyed View Post
        I've never watched Arrow or The Flash. Only ones I ever got into were Supergirl, Legends and Batwoman.
        Why?
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          #34
          Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
          Why?
          Overall, I don't like the modern trend of heroes being team efforts, rather than the story of the hero or heroine doing things pretty much on their own.

          For example, in the eighties, there was a TV show called "Knight Rider". The opening narration was "Knight Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous world of man who does not exist. Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless in a world of criminals who operate above the law."

          And that's what it was; he was mostly out on his own, fighting the bad guys and hitting on the damsel in distress of the week, with resources of an organization known as F.L.A.G. The only contacts he had with this group was Devon Miles, his handler, and either Bonnie or April as the hot chick mechanic who maintained K.I.T.T., the talking supercar.

          in 2008, someone tried a remake of that, but instead of that formula, Micheal was now directly assisted by a group of people back at base and sometimes in the field with him. Totally destroyed the very nature of the show. It failed after 1 season, I think.

          The Arrowverse shows are all the group effort types as far as I can tell. I began watching SG due to it being part of the Superman franchise, picked up Legends along the way, mostly 'cause of Mick Rory, and Batwoman when it started. I don't yet know which way BW is going to go, it seems to be keeping her circle of assistants to the modern version of "Alfred" to some degree.

          PS: And K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac Trans Am, not a freakin' Ford.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Annoyed View Post
            Overall, I don't like the modern trend of heroes being team efforts, rather than the story of the hero or heroine doing things pretty much on their own.

            For example, in the eighties, there was a TV show called "Knight Rider". The opening narration was "Knight Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous world of man who does not exist. Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless in a world of criminals who operate above the law."

            And that's what it was; he was mostly out on his own, fighting the bad guys and hitting on the damsel in distress of the week, with resources of an organization known as F.L.A.G. The only contacts he had with this group was Devon Miles, his handler, and either Bonnie or April as the hot chick mechanic who maintained K.I.T.T., the talking supercar.

            in 2008, someone tried a remake of that, but instead of that formula, Micheal was now directly assisted by a group of people back at base and sometimes in the field with him. Totally destroyed the very nature of the show. It failed after 1 season, I think.

            The Arrowverse shows are all the group effort types as far as I can tell. I began watching SG due to it being part of the Superman franchise, picked up Legends along the way, mostly 'cause of Mick Rory, and Batwoman when it started. I don't yet know which way BW is going to go, it seems to be keeping her circle of assistants to the modern version of "Alfred" to some degree.

            PS: And K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac Trans Am, not a freakin' Ford.
            At a bare minimum you should watch the first few seasons of Arrow. In season one he is nearly completely on his own and only starts getting an actual team together during season 3.
            Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.

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              #36
              I'm getting a lot of Endgame vibes from this

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                #37
                Originally posted by Annoyed View Post
                Overall, I don't like the modern trend of heroes being team efforts, rather than the story of the hero or heroine doing things pretty much on their own.

                For example, in the eighties, there was a TV show called "Knight Rider". The opening narration was "Knight Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous world of man who does not exist. Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless in a world of criminals who operate above the law."

                And that's what it was; he was mostly out on his own, fighting the bad guys and hitting on the damsel in distress of the week, with resources of an organization known as F.L.A.G. The only contacts he had with this group was Devon Miles, his handler, and either Bonnie or April as the hot chick mechanic who maintained K.I.T.T., the talking supercar.

                in 2008, someone tried a remake of that, but instead of that formula, Micheal was now directly assisted by a group of people back at base and sometimes in the field with him. Totally destroyed the very nature of the show. It failed after 1 season, I think.

                The Arrowverse shows are all the group effort types as far as I can tell. I began watching SG due to it being part of the Superman franchise, picked up Legends along the way, mostly 'cause of Mick Rory, and Batwoman when it started. I don't yet know which way BW is going to go, it seems to be keeping her circle of assistants to the modern version of "Alfred" to some degree.

                PS: And K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac Trans Am, not a freakin' Ford.
                Knight rider in the 80's did have a team, the foundation.
                and PS, K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac firebird, not a trans Am. It's only called a trans am because it was famous for winning Trans-American races.
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
                  Knight rider in the 80's did have a team, the foundation.

                  and PS, K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac firebird, not a trans Am. It's only called a trans am because it was famous for winning Trans-American races.
                  the Foundation for Law and Government was "F.L.A.G.", the supporting organization is what I referred to. Miles gave Micheal his assignments, and the tech maintained the car, but that was there was no group of people working with Micheal on each case, as was done in the failed reboot.

                  Regarding the car, the main model line was the Firebird (which Chevy had a version of also, the Camaro). The Trans Am (and Z-28) was on add-on optional equipment package including larger engines and various graphics, spoilers and such depending on the model year. You may remember the "screaming chicken" decal on the hood. K.I.T.T. was supposed to have that option package, although by the 1980's it was no longer used in quite so large a form.

                  I've got the entire series on DVD; next time I rewatch, I'll see if I can see where it is on KITT.

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                    #39
                    KITT does not have the firebird decals.
                    All I was saying is that it's not called a "trans am" by the makers of the car.

                    Why do you hate teams so much?
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                      #40
                      I think you know GF. It's pretty obvious given Annoyed's hate
                      Originally posted by aretood2
                      Jelgate is right

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                        #41
                        Teams are for socialists?

                        Either way, let's not derail this thread with that stuff. The mods leave us alone there, I doubt they will be so charitable here.

                        3 eps in, I'm loving Crisis. it has some lumps and bumps, but you get that when you have multiple episodes to tell your story, but on the whole it is great.
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                          #42
                          I said earlier that I was cautious because of the hype but so far it's beating Crisis on Earth X which I thought was Arrowverse best crossover. Until now unless the conclusion is terrible
                          Originally posted by aretood2
                          Jelgate is right

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by jelgate View Post
                            I said earlier that I was cautious because of the hype but so far it's beating Crisis on Earth X which I thought was Arrowverse best crossover. Until now unless the conclusion is terrible
                            I think we will be fine
                            It's all about the story, and if the story works?
                            It works.
                            A giant furry saved the legends of tomorrow, and in absence of knowledge, it would seem stupid.
                            But it works.
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                              #44
                              I think the budget is the biggest problem. To much standing around doing nothing. To many stories that leads nowhere.

                              Bruce wayne was the best part so far.

                              Anyone else notice that a version of Black Lightning story is also happening on Earth 1, make you wonder why none of our heroes have intervene or why we haven't heard of the Markovia.

                              There have been far less show in each crisis so far than any of the other crossovers, none of the episodes so far have felt like you needed to watch supergirl or batwoman or arrow to understand what going on.

                              The only one that buck the trend was Black Lightning, where you did need to know some of the back story.

                              I do keep on laughing at them themselves mentioning cross over.

                              Would love to see more of Constantine and Lucifer in action and their back story.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
                                KITT does not have the firebird decals.
                                All I was saying is that it's not called a "trans am" by the makers of the car.

                                Why do you hate teams so much?
                                The "screaming chicken" hood decal as shown in "Smoky and the Bandit" (2nd generation of the model) was not used in the 3rd generation of the model line, which launched in 1982. That does not mean the Trans Am options/powerplant package was not available.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontia...rd_generation)

                                The 3rd Generation of Firebirds consisted of three models: Firebird, Firebird S/E, and Firebird Trans Am. The Firebird was the base model, equivalent to the Camaro Sport Coupe; the Firebird S/E was the luxury version; and the Trans Am, the high-performance version.
                                As far as teams go, there is nothing wrong with them in the proper environment. (With the exception of the cheating New England Patriots, they should be banned from the the universe, multiverse or any-verse.)

                                But in superhero stories, I don't think it's appropriate. First, only the hero has super abilities, kinda putting him in a class by himself. A mere mortal group might end up dead, or worse, the hero has to spend effort protecting them, rather than fighting the bad guy. A natural consequence of this was that they worked alone, mostly. There were some situations where lone heroes banded together, such as Justice League of America, Superfriends and so forth, but even those hero's own shows had the working alone, or nearly so. Batman, who had Alfred in the batcave, Superman had no one who knew his ID, his human cohorts didn't go into battle all that much.

                                Compare to the arrowverse on CW. On Supergirl, they have the DEO, which seems to be a large social club that welcomes anyone, even the like of Lena Luthor. And no one cares about their secret identities being revealed (really, in light of how many people know SG's identity, this year's Lena/Kara hissy fit doesn't seem to fit. It's not such a big secret.)

                                Another aspect is the sheer number of folks with super powers in the arrowverse. In classic hero shows, super abilities were very rare, usually one of a kind. In CW's world, you can't turn around without tripping over one of them.

                                It's a matter of preference; teams are fine for things like team sports. But the heroes ought to work alone.

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