Originally posted by Xaeden
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Once we're talking about a siege, the number of Wraith who need to be awake goes way down. Most Ancient battleships won't be powered by ZPMs as there weren't enough to go around, and those are far easier to take out than Atlantis. Ones with ZPMs still need to be resupplied with drones, so they can only stay in the battle for so long before needing to be resupplied. Atlantis itself was able to survive for years against the Wraith's firepower (presumably after swapping out their ZPMs a bunch of times), but the Wraith don't need their darts at that point as it's the heavy weapons fire from Hives that are most effective. Hence, their Hives can operate on skeleton crews while most of the Wraith sleep at that point.
As for moving billions of humans to Earth, you're adding another level.
However, you look at it, this is madness.
I don't agree that they ignored food as an issue. Sg-1 always carried food with them on missions and the writers regularly made a point of them having to eat or ration (if need be) what they had available to them.
Here are some of many examples:
I could go on like this for pages, and I'm tempted to because your comment baffles me given the volume with which this actually comes up. In another case, refugees are brought through the gate and have to spend time in the SGC and the issue of how they will get fed is brought up. In Atlantis, they talked about a potential food shortage by the 6th episode, so Teyla introduced them to the Genii specifically because she knew them as farmers who the Athosians previously traded with. Later they get resupplied by Earth and talk about that, they come through the gate with fresh fruit that they've been gifted, and so on and so forth.
I could go on like this for pages, and I'm tempted to because your comment baffles me given the volume with which this actually comes up. In another case, refugees are brought through the gate and have to spend time in the SGC and the issue of how they will get fed is brought up. In Atlantis, they talked about a potential food shortage by the 6th episode, so Teyla introduced them to the Genii specifically because she knew them as farmers who the Athosians previously traded with. Later they get resupplied by Earth and talk about that, they come through the gate with fresh fruit that they've been gifted, and so on and so forth.
Literally all your quotes proves that its only mentioned, not really made into an actual plot or issue in the show. Its easy to understand why, just like they won't show the SG teams stopping occasionally for nature calls. There is no time, in the SG format of a 45 minutes wrap-up episode, to address these matters. Or it simply wouldn't be appealing for the viewers. The Wraith don't count, since their food is more or less the corner stone of their lore and directly connected to their very nature.
Stargate (SG1-SGA) is the one franchise where the ''mudane'' aspects of life such as food and water is the least important in terms of actual plots and scenes shown on screen. Its extra, either on random script lines or briefly addressed in a few episodes out of the 10 years of SG1. Its a family show, its understandable and also because of the 45 minutes episodes model.
And how many are going to shoot back? Or set off bombs both in the moment and later as retribution?
You know what people love? Knowing their family members were taken through the gate by the an arrogant, technologically superior race never to be seen against and told they should trust that they'll be okay.
Then there's the issue of unhappy governments. Do any of them have nuclear weapons or any kind of military forces capable of doing damage to Ancient ground, aerial, and/or space targets?
There's a reason why the Wraith don't just go in with stunners against societies like the Satedans and it's because they can't; such a society can put up so much resistance that the only way to quell them is with heavy, lethal military force. You appear to be imagining the Ancients going around to a bunch of village planets and mopping up people like the Wraith did to the Athosians, but the reality of the matter is the Ancients would be going to probably a good number of planets where they have to engage in bombing military targets and using other forms of lethal force to stop all major forms resistance, which means a lot of people are going to die.
Churchill made an agreement to cede Polish territory to the U.S.S.R., which forced Polish people off their land and compensated the Polish government by giving them German land, which forced Germans to do likewise.
Churchill was also an imperialist who lamented the human rights abuses of others while the British were still holding on to colonies that did not grant equal rights to non-British people. You're using attitudes that we are critical of today in the hopes that we do not fall back into them to defend an extremely impractical and highly authoritarian plan that requires the Ancients to choose to enslave humanity in order to "save" them. Do you realize how authoritarianism always cites people's best interests when backing whatever horrific act of violence against the people they seek to implement?
Dunkirk is the best parallel that proves my point. How many soldiers were saved? About 350k? You know they expected to save less than 50k. And guess who saved them? Churchill that ordered every single fisherman, citizen and businessmen to get on their small boat and try to save as many as possible. That is an authoritarian plan, sure, but it was a necessity.
To be honest, I don't want this discussion of ours to derail to a history debate on the Great War. I literally only quoted Churchill on the ungentlemanly warfare, which was required at the time since Britain was about to be invaded and guerrilla warfare would be the only option, which is a comparable situation to the Ancients facing Wraiths. Desperate times, desperate measures, you can't act the nice guy all the time when the other side isn't. That is the very definition of being a fool, which in my opinion the Ancients were considering how advance their tech was.
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