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    Quote Originally Posted by ganymede View Post
    I think the problem started and ended when they made Darth Vader unredeemable and tried to Kylo Ren redeemable. Oh, yea, and the Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks. That's what you get for ting of Lawrence Kasden. What they a good mythical theme again. They had the generational wars - the evil empire establishment against the rebel resistance. That was the concept that kept it afloat for two trilogies.. almost. They need another George Lucas who knows how to juggle his mythical metaphorical concepts at least.. or even know what those words mean.
    Supposedly-- Lucas is involved for some re-shoots

    but he was definitely consulted by JJ on the script before shooting began


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    how much is enough?

    i mean its the conclusion of the trilogy? why keep adding so much that is new to the ending?

    and, will their inclusion be anything more substantial than background scenery?

    or, just one more new thing to make toys from?


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    Quote Originally Posted by magi877 View Post
    how much is enough?

    i mean its the conclusion of the trilogy? why keep adding so much that is new to the ending?

    and, will their inclusion be anything more substantial than background scenery?

    or, just one more new thing to make toys from?

    It's Star Wars. Of course stuff is just thrown in just to make toys.
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    That’s been baked into its DNA ever since George first signed on the dotted line with 20th Century FOX, before a single frame had been shot
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    at least with the OT and even the pre quels, those toys were not made in such numbers so that to collect them was worthwhile

    so much of the stuff now is pumped out in massive quantities and makes sure that the only money ever made from them is at the original sale

    remember some of those odd ball runs of OT toys that made them so valuable--like the Jawa with vinyl capes and the darth vader with the telescoping light sabre? happen by mistake with some of them

    now it is all so static, bland and vanilla and perfect. boring

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    Quote Originally Posted by magi877 View Post
    at least with the OT and even the pre quels, those toys were not made in such numbers so that to collect them was worthwhile

    so much of the stuff now is pumped out in massive quantities and makes sure that the only money ever made from them is at the original sale

    remember some of those odd ball runs of OT toys that made them so valuable--like the Jawa with vinyl capes and the darth vader with the telescoping light sabre? happen by mistake with some of them

    now it is all so static, bland and vanilla and perfect. boring
    Yes but that is a sign that the demand massively outstripped the supply back in the OT. Something that is thoroughly undesirable for a toy company at any time. A lot of those odd-ball runs you mentioned was due to the manufacturers rushing something or anything out to help try and reach demand. The point isn't to give you something collectible in the "this will appreciate in value" sense (though for sure some companies do specialise in that with limited editions and such), the point is to sell as many toys then and there as possible. Additionally toy manufacture is massively more sophisticated than it used to be. So you are generally getting more toys being made for cheaper with greater choice and overall quality.

    You still will find a lot of highly collectible items. Mint condition lego sets are a great option because Lego changes its set lineup so often that some toys really aren't on the shelves for all that long comparatively, and Lego does still struggle to meet the global demand for its toyline. And kids so often lose pieces or just throw them in a big overall collection of lego that they'll never be able to piece properly together again (I've been there.)

    Meanwhile the action figure market has largely fallen off a cliff anyway. Collectors of action figures are more inclined towards buying high quality deluxe or special editions. The kind of 8-12 inch, fully articulated with loads of accessories kind of figures that you can find these days. They look nicer on a shelf and you get more bang for your buck. Kids still play with the more traditional smaller figures it's just that adult collectors are not as interested. And that trend is still so relatively recent in the grand scheme that it is hard to know which way the collectors market will go with that one further down the line.

    Of course if you are the kind of person who doesn't so much care about a collection going up in value and just likes to collect for the sake of collecting, then sure the overall amount of choice may be a bit overwhelming in an annoying sort of way, in that you may never have a full collection, or a toyline might change their packaging as they start a new range and ruin the aesthetic, but Star Wars has been going that way for a long time now. That was happening back when they toys started to be rereleased for the 1995 special editions and its occurred all throughout the 2000's and especially when you started getting even more SW media like Clone Wars and Rebels. And I mean I sympathise in all these cases, I really do, but ultimately being annoyed at a toy company for not limiting their toy line in some way or asking a multi-billion dollar company that earns a whole swathe of their profit from merchandising not to make more toy worthy characters is kind of like asking water not to be wet.

    A huge reason why Star Wars toys were originally so collectible and worth so much today was partly down to a perfect storm of circumstances, from George Lucas scoring the merchandising rights to begin with to Kenner toys being somewhat unprepared to take on what was going to be a huge multi-media phenomenon, to toy manufacture at the time being such that many toys straddled this weird middle-ground between crap and quirky. It's a time in toy sales that will never come again. And it was the case with so many different franchises because it was in the 70's and 80's that toy companies and tv/movie studios realised that they could have this symbiotic relationship with each other and they were still very much tripping their way through it, while today they have perfected it, and the good times will role for them for as long as kids are desperate to get their hands on the toys from the latest big films and adults are convinced they can buy something collectible from the next big thing. Meanwhile what you are going to find is that the biggest collectors market is going to grow out of more niche toylines. TV shows that were good quality but didn't quite get off the ground because some bigger franchise was in the same timeslot as them. Movies that were cool and had a small run of toys but were overshadowed by the big franchise and the boxoffice that month.

    Basically, if you just like to collect for something to put on your shelf, Godspeed to you. If you wanna make money then you need to start picking your franchises better. If you're somewhere inbetween, well... I think you may have limited options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    Yes but that is a sign that the demand massively outstripped the supply back in the OT. Something that is thoroughly undesirable for a toy company at any time. A lot of those odd-ball runs you mentioned was due to the manufacturers rushing something or anything out to help try and reach demand. The point isn't to give you something collectible in the "this will appreciate in value" sense (though for sure some companies do specialise in that with limited editions and such), the point is to sell as many toys then and there as possible. Additionally toy manufacture is massively more sophisticated than it used to be. So you are generally getting more toys being made for cheaper with greater choice and overall quality.

    You still will find a lot of highly collectible items. Mint condition lego sets are a great option because Lego changes its set lineup so often that some toys really aren't on the shelves for all that long comparatively, and Lego does still struggle to meet the global demand for its toyline. And kids so often lose pieces or just throw them in a big overall collection of lego that they'll never be able to piece properly together again (I've been there.)

    Meanwhile the action figure market has largely fallen off a cliff anyway. Collectors of action figures are more inclined towards buying high quality deluxe or special editions. The kind of 8-12 inch, fully articulated with loads of accessories kind of figures that you can find these days. They look nicer on a shelf and you get more bang for your buck. Kids still play with the more traditional smaller figures it's just that adult collectors are not as interested. And that trend is still so relatively recent in the grand scheme that it is hard to know which way the collectors market will go with that one further down the line.

    Of course if you are the kind of person who doesn't so much care about a collection going up in value and just likes to collect for the sake of collecting, then sure the overall amount of choice may be a bit overwhelming in an annoying sort of way, in that you may never have a full collection, or a toyline might change their packaging as they start a new range and ruin the aesthetic, but Star Wars has been going that way for a long time now. That was happening back when they toys started to be rereleased for the 1995 special editions and its occurred all throughout the 2000's and especially when you started getting even more SW media like Clone Wars and Rebels. And I mean I sympathise in all these cases, I really do, but ultimately being annoyed at a toy company for not limiting their toy line in some way or asking a multi-billion dollar company that earns a whole swathe of their profit from merchandising not to make more toy worthy characters is kind of like asking water not to be wet.

    A huge reason why Star Wars toys were originally so collectible and worth so much today was partly down to a perfect storm of circumstances, from George Lucas scoring the merchandising rights to begin with to Kenner toys being somewhat unprepared to take on what was going to be a huge multi-media phenomenon, to toy manufacture at the time being such that many toys straddled this weird middle-ground between crap and quirky. It's a time in toy sales that will never come again. And it was the case with so many different franchises because it was in the 70's and 80's that toy companies and tv/movie studios realised that they could have this symbiotic relationship with each other and they were still very much tripping their way through it, while today they have perfected it, and the good times will role for them for as long as kids are desperate to get their hands on the toys from the latest big films and adults are convinced they can buy something collectible from the next big thing. Meanwhile what you are going to find is that the biggest collectors market is going to grow out of more niche toylines. TV shows that were good quality but didn't quite get off the ground because some bigger franchise was in the same timeslot as them. Movies that were cool and had a small run of toys but were overshadowed by the big franchise and the boxoffice that month.

    Basically, if you just like to collect for something to put on your shelf, Godspeed to you. If you wanna make money then you need to start picking your franchises better. If you're somewhere inbetween, well... I think you may have limited options.

    in short "no **** shirlie"

    no i dont want to make money

    the point was that back then, accidents happened which also caused the value of the item to go up as ppl valued the mistake after the manufacture corrected the problem and the 'scarcity effect' went into play

    now, 'collectibles' are made on purpose. they cost more then the normal run.

    another mistake which turned to fortune for those that got one before they fixed the problem, was the Topps SW's card with 3po where he looked like he had a penis

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    any thoughts on this 'time travel' theory thats been making the 'leaked info' rounds?

    there are multiple vids on YT for and against Rey being Schmi and that Palpatine sent her back (already pregnant?) using the world between worlds

    if tru, i think it would be terrible

    this is not a SW's type of thing. time travel, teleportation, not SW's

    and why would Palpatine (this theory assumes he will be shown to still be alive) send her back to ensure Anakin's birth when he has already seen how that worked for him once?

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    According to John Williams' brother, episode 9 is going to be 135 minutes long and it will have every single star wars theme.
    Here's a video of him giving those updates

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    Ep 9 poster:
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    New ‘teaser’ from D23, released to the public just now:

    https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165962999720370176

    (Will replace with a better link once one’s available)
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    I gottcha Brother:
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    One thing that caught my attention: that shot of the hundreds (thousands?) of Star Destroyers.

    Those aren't First Order Star Destroyers. Those are Imperial Star Destroyers, and not even recent ones.

    The First Order Star Destroyers (Resurgent-class) appeared in TFA and TLJ, and look like this.

    The ones in this trailer are Imperial-I class Star Destroyers, which we've only seen depicted on screen in Rebels, Rogue One, and ANH. By the time of ESB/ROTJ, they had been phased out in favour of the Imperial-II class (note the different comm arrays atop the bridge tower - you can clearly see the -I type comm towers in this new TRoS teaser).

    And with the TFA/TLJ being set 34 years post-ANH....why on Earth is a fleet of 40+ year old warships appearing here? Something to do with Palpatine's return? Maybe something to do with the Contingency/Operation Cinder?

    I can't wait to find out!
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    I'm thinking Thrawn.
    He has the capability, and the knowledge to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    One thing that caught my attention: that shot of the hundreds (thousands?) of Star Destroyers.

    Those aren't First Order Star Destroyers. Those are Imperial Star Destroyers, and not even recent ones.

    The First Order Star Destroyers (Resurgent-class) appeared in TFA and TLJ, and look like this.

    The ones in this trailer are Imperial-I class Star Destroyers, which we've only seen depicted on screen in Rebels, Rogue One, and ANH. By the time of ESB/ROTJ, they had been phased out in favour of the Imperial-II class (note the different comm arrays atop the bridge tower - you can clearly see the -I type comm towers in this new TRoS teaser).

    And with the TFA/TLJ being set 34 years post-ANH....why on Earth is a fleet of 40+ year old warships appearing here? Something to do with Palpatine's return? Maybe something to do with the Contingency/Operation Cinder?

    I can't wait to find out!
    Based on how the scene is shot and how they're shrouded I'm not a hundred percent sure that isn't some sort of dark side vision.

    However. That being said. If Palpatine did have a contingency plan if the Empire ever fell he may well have hidden a fleet somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    However. That being said. If Palpatine did have a contingency plan if the Empire ever fell he may well have hidden a fleet somewhere.
    if so why didn't he reclaim his throne from Snoke all these years (or conversely why didn't Snoke ever challenge Sidious for control of the empire)

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    btw I sort of like the idea of a dark C3PO (initially the big villain was supposed to be Jar Jar as some sort of counterpart to Yoda but Lucas backtracked on this)

    he'd have to be renamed darth K4PO ('kapo' hehe)

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    Darth Jar Jar was never a thing, that was just internet stupidity
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Darth Jar Jar was never a thing, that was just internet stupidity
    Lucas must be incredibly stupid then *_*

    (though there was internet stupidity so much that Lucas changed his mind apparently)

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    Lucas has done a lot of dumb things, but that wasn't one of them. Darth Jar Jar was not a Lucas thing.
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