Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker

[magi877]

Hmm.....agree and disagree.

I think the OT was absolutely driven by the characters. The first movie was literally the Hero's Journey story trope, Empire was all about choices and consequences, and at its core Jedi was really about Luke and Anakin's redemption. Watching the Battle of Endor, in no small way the fate of the Rebellion is portrayed as secondary to whether or not Luke is able to save his father. Even Palpatine's goading, designed to elevate the scenes to a more idea-driven Jedi vs. Sith thing, fall away in the face of a story about a kid trying to save his dad.

I think the PT tried for that same character-driven thing, but due to a combination of bad writing and the glitz/glamour/WOW of the Republic and the Clone Wars, exactly what you say is what happened: the character side of things got lost in the grander Jedi/Sith, Republic/Separatists, clones/droids stuff.



Yeah. I have my issues with TLJ, but this isn't one of them. People change, particularly when everything is taken from them. I actually thought that Luke's cantankerous hermit thing was kind of a nice echo of Obi-Wan living in exile on Tatooine.

yes, the OT was initially about the characters. but once the movies came out and the fanbase grew around them so too did the story over and above what Lucas imagined or put to paper--the EU/ legends= the greater story

(of course the EU/LEGENDS now being harvested for its established and proven fan favorite ideas by the new batch of disney/lucasarts writers)


yes, so many people seem to have such large issues with the way luke and also han were portrayed in the new films. Luke was what? 17 in ep 4? no one, in any galaxy is going to have the same beliefs, ideas or faith, not to mention physical capability, at age 70 as they did when they were 17

now that you mentioned it, funny how no one complained about how 'youthful' Kenobi was in the prequels and that his energy and youth in those didn't match his portrayal in ep 4

i really dislike some of these crybaby SW's haters who call themselves 'true fans'

[magi877]

some of these 'leaked plot' people have proved out to be pretty accurate

the GOT's s8 plot predictions were pretty much spot on, and, as the video poster here says, so too were the ones for ENDGAME

interesting though, if this is true, i could deal with it

[DigiFluid]

Just in case they actually have the inside track, I'm going to decline to watch that

I am, however, going to speculate that the real Palpatine isn't returning. My guess is that it'll be either one of or somehow related to the holo/robo Palpatines that appeared in the Shattered Empire comic and Battlefront II

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sentinel_(Contingency)

[magi877]

Just in case they actually have the inside track, I'm going to decline to watch that

I am, however, going to speculate that the real Palpatine isn't returning. My guess is that it'll be either one of or somehow related to the holo/robo Palpatines that appeared in the Shattered Empire comic and Battlefront II

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sentinel_(Contingency)

the vid references 2 possibilities-

1- clones 2- some sort of sith 'mind occupation' thing. they really didn't give it a name that i caught

the video doen't have any spoilers, no real details, it is more of a rough outline

appears the death star rubble we see in the trailer is not what we think it is

[ganymede]

I think the problem started and ended when they made Darth Vader unredeemable and tried to Kylo Ren redeemable. Oh, yea, and the Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks. That's what you get for ting of Lawrence Kasden. What they a good mythical theme again. They had the generational wars - the evil empire establishment against the rebel resistance. That was the concept that kept it afloat for two trilogies.. almost. They need another George Lucas who knows how to juggle his mythical metaphorical concepts at least.. or even know what those words mean.

[magi877]

I think the problem started and ended when they made Darth Vader unredeemable and tried to Kylo Ren redeemable. Oh, yea, and the Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks. That's what you get for ting of Lawrence Kasden. What they a good mythical theme again. They had the generational wars - the evil empire establishment against the rebel resistance. That was the concept that kept it afloat for two trilogies.. almost. They need another George Lucas who knows how to juggle his mythical metaphorical concepts at least.. or even know what those words mean.

Supposedly-- Lucas is involved for some re-shoots

but he was definitely consulted by JJ on the script before shooting began


http://collider.com/star-wars-the-ri...s-involvement/

[magi877]

how much is enough?

i mean its the conclusion of the trilogy? why keep adding so much that is new to the ending?

and, will their inclusion be anything more substantial than background scenery?

or, just one more new thing to make toys from?

[P-90_177]

how much is enough?

i mean its the conclusion of the trilogy? why keep adding so much that is new to the ending?

and, will their inclusion be anything more substantial than background scenery?

or, just one more new thing to make toys from?

It's Star Wars. Of course stuff is just thrown in just to make toys.

[DigiFluid]

That’s been baked into its DNA ever since George first signed on the dotted line with 20th Century FOX, before a single frame had been shot

[magi877]

at least with the OT and even the pre quels, those toys were not made in such numbers so that to collect them was worthwhile

so much of the stuff now is pumped out in massive quantities and makes sure that the only money ever made from them is at the original sale

remember some of those odd ball runs of OT toys that made them so valuable--like the Jawa with vinyl capes and the darth vader with the telescoping light sabre? happen by mistake with some of them

now it is all so static, bland and vanilla and perfect. boring

[P-90_177]

at least with the OT and even the pre quels, those toys were not made in such numbers so that to collect them was worthwhile

so much of the stuff now is pumped out in massive quantities and makes sure that the only money ever made from them is at the original sale

remember some of those odd ball runs of OT toys that made them so valuable--like the Jawa with vinyl capes and the darth vader with the telescoping light sabre? happen by mistake with some of them

now it is all so static, bland and vanilla and perfect. boring

Yes but that is a sign that the demand massively outstripped the supply back in the OT. Something that is thoroughly undesirable for a toy company at any time. A lot of those odd-ball runs you mentioned was due to the manufacturers rushing something or anything out to help try and reach demand. The point isn't to give you something collectible in the "this will appreciate in value" sense (though for sure some companies do specialise in that with limited editions and such), the point is to sell as many toys then and there as possible. Additionally toy manufacture is massively more sophisticated than it used to be. So you are generally getting more toys being made for cheaper with greater choice and overall quality.

You still will find a lot of highly collectible items. Mint condition lego sets are a great option because Lego changes its set lineup so often that some toys really aren't on the shelves for all that long comparatively, and Lego does still struggle to meet the global demand for its toyline. And kids so often lose pieces or just throw them in a big overall collection of lego that they'll never be able to piece properly together again (I've been there.)

Meanwhile the action figure market has largely fallen off a cliff anyway. Collectors of action figures are more inclined towards buying high quality deluxe or special editions. The kind of 8-12 inch, fully articulated with loads of accessories kind of figures that you can find these days. They look nicer on a shelf and you get more bang for your buck. Kids still play with the more traditional smaller figures it's just that adult collectors are not as interested. And that trend is still so relatively recent in the grand scheme that it is hard to know which way the collectors market will go with that one further down the line.

Of course if you are the kind of person who doesn't so much care about a collection going up in value and just likes to collect for the sake of collecting, then sure the overall amount of choice may be a bit overwhelming in an annoying sort of way, in that you may never have a full collection, or a toyline might change their packaging as they start a new range and ruin the aesthetic, but Star Wars has been going that way for a long time now. That was happening back when they toys started to be rereleased for the 1995 special editions and its occurred all throughout the 2000's and especially when you started getting even more SW media like Clone Wars and Rebels. And I mean I sympathise in all these cases, I really do, but ultimately being annoyed at a toy company for not limiting their toy line in some way or asking a multi-billion dollar company that earns a whole swathe of their profit from merchandising not to make more toy worthy characters is kind of like asking water not to be wet.

A huge reason why Star Wars toys were originally so collectible and worth so much today was partly down to a perfect storm of circumstances, from George Lucas scoring the merchandising rights to begin with to Kenner toys being somewhat unprepared to take on what was going to be a huge multi-media phenomenon, to toy manufacture at the time being such that many toys straddled this weird middle-ground between crap and quirky. It's a time in toy sales that will never come again. And it was the case with so many different franchises because it was in the 70's and 80's that toy companies and tv/movie studios realised that they could have this symbiotic relationship with each other and they were still very much tripping their way through it, while today they have perfected it, and the good times will role for them for as long as kids are desperate to get their hands on the toys from the latest big films and adults are convinced they can buy something collectible from the next big thing. Meanwhile what you are going to find is that the biggest collectors market is going to grow out of more niche toylines. TV shows that were good quality but didn't quite get off the ground because some bigger franchise was in the same timeslot as them. Movies that were cool and had a small run of toys but were overshadowed by the big franchise and the boxoffice that month.

Basically, if you just like to collect for something to put on your shelf, Godspeed to you. If you wanna make money then you need to start picking your franchises better. If you're somewhere inbetween, well... I think you may have limited options.

[magi877]

Yes but that is a sign that the demand massively outstripped the supply back in the OT. Something that is thoroughly undesirable for a toy company at any time. A lot of those odd-ball runs you mentioned was due to the manufacturers rushing something or anything out to help try and reach demand. The point isn't to give you something collectible in the "this will appreciate in value" sense (though for sure some companies do specialise in that with limited editions and such), the point is to sell as many toys then and there as possible. Additionally toy manufacture is massively more sophisticated than it used to be. So you are generally getting more toys being made for cheaper with greater choice and overall quality.

You still will find a lot of highly collectible items. Mint condition lego sets are a great option because Lego changes its set lineup so often that some toys really aren't on the shelves for all that long comparatively, and Lego does still struggle to meet the global demand for its toyline. And kids so often lose pieces or just throw them in a big overall collection of lego that they'll never be able to piece properly together again (I've been there.)

Meanwhile the action figure market has largely fallen off a cliff anyway. Collectors of action figures are more inclined towards buying high quality deluxe or special editions. The kind of 8-12 inch, fully articulated with loads of accessories kind of figures that you can find these days. They look nicer on a shelf and you get more bang for your buck. Kids still play with the more traditional smaller figures it's just that adult collectors are not as interested. And that trend is still so relatively recent in the grand scheme that it is hard to know which way the collectors market will go with that one further down the line.

Of course if you are the kind of person who doesn't so much care about a collection going up in value and just likes to collect for the sake of collecting, then sure the overall amount of choice may be a bit overwhelming in an annoying sort of way, in that you may never have a full collection, or a toyline might change their packaging as they start a new range and ruin the aesthetic, but Star Wars has been going that way for a long time now. That was happening back when they toys started to be rereleased for the 1995 special editions and its occurred all throughout the 2000's and especially when you started getting even more SW media like Clone Wars and Rebels. And I mean I sympathise in all these cases, I really do, but ultimately being annoyed at a toy company for not limiting their toy line in some way or asking a multi-billion dollar company that earns a whole swathe of their profit from merchandising not to make more toy worthy characters is kind of like asking water not to be wet.

A huge reason why Star Wars toys were originally so collectible and worth so much today was partly down to a perfect storm of circumstances, from George Lucas scoring the merchandising rights to begin with to Kenner toys being somewhat unprepared to take on what was going to be a huge multi-media phenomenon, to toy manufacture at the time being such that many toys straddled this weird middle-ground between crap and quirky. It's a time in toy sales that will never come again. And it was the case with so many different franchises because it was in the 70's and 80's that toy companies and tv/movie studios realised that they could have this symbiotic relationship with each other and they were still very much tripping their way through it, while today they have perfected it, and the good times will role for them for as long as kids are desperate to get their hands on the toys from the latest big films and adults are convinced they can buy something collectible from the next big thing. Meanwhile what you are going to find is that the biggest collectors market is going to grow out of more niche toylines. TV shows that were good quality but didn't quite get off the ground because some bigger franchise was in the same timeslot as them. Movies that were cool and had a small run of toys but were overshadowed by the big franchise and the boxoffice that month.

Basically, if you just like to collect for something to put on your shelf, Godspeed to you. If you wanna make money then you need to start picking your franchises better. If you're somewhere inbetween, well... I think you may have limited options.

in short "no **** shirlie"

no i dont want to make money

the point was that back then, accidents happened which also caused the value of the item to go up as ppl valued the mistake after the manufacture corrected the problem and the 'scarcity effect' went into play

now, 'collectibles' are made on purpose. they cost more then the normal run.

another mistake which turned to fortune for those that got one before they fixed the problem, was the Topps SW's card with 3po where he looked like he had a penis

[magi877]

any thoughts on this 'time travel' theory thats been making the 'leaked info' rounds?

there are multiple vids on YT for and against Rey being Schmi and that Palpatine sent her back (already pregnant?) using the world between worlds

if tru, i think it would be terrible

this is not a SW's type of thing. time travel, teleportation, not SW's

and why would Palpatine (this theory assumes he will be shown to still be alive) send her back to ensure Anakin's birth when he has already seen how that worked for him once?

[Kilgharrah]

According to John Williams' brother, episode 9 is going to be 135 minutes long and it will have every single star wars theme.
Here's a video of him giving those updates

[Gatefan1976]

Ep 9 poster: