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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    In Ep 8 there are a lot of shield strikes.
    you talking about the new shows? haven't watched yet

    I meant only the films (starting with the 2009 one with Nero)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    you talking about the new shows? haven't watched yet

    I meant only the films (starting with the 2009 one with Nero)
    OH, you mean ST?
    Yeah, they use shields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    OH, you mean ST?
    Yeah, they use shields.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1408101/

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/

    shields in any one of those???

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    Yes.
    Are they TNG shields?
    No.
    They are not even TOS shields, which is why I dislike the JJ-verse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Yes.
    Are they TNG shields?
    No.
    They are not even TOS shields, which is why I dislike the JJ-verse.
    yeah well I dont remember seeing any sort of shield FX in any of those '_'

    in which of those 3 films did you see it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    yeah well I dont remember seeing any sort of shield FX in any of those '_'

    in which of those 3 films did you see it?
    All of them, re-watch them.
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    maybe the fx were too ****ty to be noticeable gonna try find some scenes on youtube

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    Wow you guys have talked a lot since I was on earlier.

    Ok a lot to unpack.

    Firstly the star trek thing. Yes there are Shields in the JJ movies. No they are hard to see and in fact most of the engagements we see they are either ineffectual or not on. In Star Trek Nero’s weapons can go through the 23rd Century ship’s shields, in Into Darkness when the Vengeance fires on the Enterprise they are at warp and kirk wasn’t expecting an engagement so the shields were down and in Beyond you do see one or two ships effectiely bounce off the ship before a big swarm of them overwhelm the deflector dish and dissable the shields completely (as an asside, that’s not how the shields are supposed to work, but I’ll ignore it. Alternate reality. Maybe the deflector has been tied into the shield grid for some odd reason...)

    Personally I agree Snoke could have been handled better but I’ll hold overall judgement until the third film in the trilogy. In my view after the first two there seems to be this growing narrative of the youth throwing off the restraints of the old guard. In VII Rey and Kylo were seemingly starting a new path of their already established lives. Rey’s started when she left Jakku and Kylo’s started when he killed Han. In the second film this culminates in Rey learning from Luke but then rejecting what he was attempting to teach (that the Jedi should either not exist or should just leave well enough alone) while Kylo defies Snoke and outright kills him. Snoke may turn out to be more important but I’m willing to accept him as a bit player the same way Palpatine was before we got the prequels.

    Yes Sith can have force ghosts. No Yoda wouldn’t know about them because the only Jedi that did at that time was Qui-Gon (who as I recall told Yoda as such at the end of that story of clone wars). Palpatine wanted to find a way to live forever so it makes sense that he would turn himself into a force ghost. Upside to his death is that we never saw a body.
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    Point of order: TOS-era shields were not 'bubbles' as they were in the TNG era. They were snug to the ship's hull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Point of order: TOS-era shields were not 'bubbles' as they were in the TNG era. They were snug to the ship's hull.
    This is true. You didn’t even really see them. They were just sort of additional flashes of energy where the impact occurs or ripples across the hull lin a similar visual effect to when the Star Destroyers got hit by Ion Cannons in ESB. I think in Star Trek VI, even though they say they have shields up there is no real indication they are since every single shot the Enterprise takes in the battle you see some sort of physical mark on the hull.

    The thing with Shields is that they don’t make for good film making as action scenes are about building tension and fear for our heroes.Keeping in mind that all films are made for casual viewers to see.So a Star Trek fan might find constant call outs of “shields at xx%” will fulfill that need for tension, but a casual viewer doesn’t really care. They’re waiting for that visual spectacle of explosions because that is an instant visual cue that everyone understands ie. explosions = bad.
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    Back on the topic of Rise of Skywalker, what exactly is meant by the title ? I see in the teaser that the STAR WARS logo is blue instead of normal gold. So this must mean SOMETHING, LAst Jedi and Force Awakens were both normal Star Wars gold logo. So why is this one blue ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Awinita View Post
    Back on the topic of Rise of Skywalker, what exactly is meant by the title ? I see in the teaser that the STAR WARS logo is blue instead of normal gold. So this must mean SOMETHING, LAst Jedi and Force Awakens were both normal Star Wars gold logo. So why is this one blue ?
    It's just an announcement/placeholder poster until they reveal a final/official poster.

    Episode VII was yellow until the official one.
    Episode VIII was red until the official one.
    Now Episode IX is blue...until a final poster is released


    I heard an interesting speculation the other day though: that with the Sith dead, and the last of the Jedi dead....perhaps Rey is the start of something new--a Force user who isn't bound to the dogmas of either dead order, who walks the line somewhere between, 'bringing balance to the Force.' And that maybe she calls her new role/order the Skywalkers or Sky Walkers, hence the title.

    It's a little out there and I don't know how much I buy it...and lifts a bit from the Imperial Knights of the Expanded Universe, but it's kind of fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    It's just an announcement/placeholder poster until they reveal a final/official poster.

    Episode VII was yellow until the official one.
    Episode VIII was red until the official one.
    Now Episode IX is blue...until a final poster is released


    I heard an interesting speculation the other day though: that with the Sith dead, and the last of the Jedi dead....perhaps Rey is the start of something new--a Force user who isn't bound to the dogmas of either dead order, who walks the line somewhere between, 'bringing balance to the Force.' And that maybe she calls her new role/order the Skywalkers or Sky Walkers, hence the title.

    It's a little out there and I don't know how much I buy it...and lifts a bit from the Imperial Knights of the Expanded Universe, but it's kind of fun.
    My current theory is that Rey is Palpatine's second attempt at creating a powerful force user he can control. He's using Ben as a means to turn her to the dark side but she is his actual goal. Anakin failed him and lost a lot of his power when he became Vader but she's still got all that raw power. So she was born like Anakin was, which is why Kylo believes that her parents were just scum who abandoned her, because they were. And in the end she chooses to take the Skywalker name because that it pretty much who she is. She's Anakin's sister in a big way.
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    I have more to say on this episode and this whole new trilogy, but for now, I am just going to drop this here

    @gatefan1976 is there a way you and I can have a pm? you kn ow me from 2 other places (under a diff name) and I just have a few,what shall I call it? "insider questions" regarding star wars and our shared past experiences elsewhere regarding SW's ----- Is that cryptic enough?

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    Skywalker's? are we not done with them yet?

    We should be, there is so much more to the-canon- story of Star Wars then one dysfunctional family

    and, now that it has been confirmed, the "fact" that Anakin was indeed created and seeded into Shmi by Palpaltine using the force, just tells me that the Skywalkers have been nothing but pawns for the Sith

    did he create any others?

    and what is Han's real last name anyhow? JJ and crew just dont drop stuff like that into scripts for no reason. Solo could have just gone on being Han's real family name and no one needed to have any changes... so, is Kylo maybe a "who knows who" and a Skywalker?

    I would even venture that Palpaltine, being unafraid of death (cloning or force resurrection), wanted Luke to destroy the Death Star and to have DV kill him. he wanted the reunion of the Skywalker family as that was needed to further his goals. those goals still be revealed in EP 9? why else is Palpatine in ep 9?

    But really, lets be done already. Disney/lucasarts needs to put away the skywalkers and get on with the telling of the greater star wars story. there is after all,so much to tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by magi877 View Post
    Skywalker's? are we not done with them yet?

    We should be, there is so much more to the-canon- story of Star Wars then one dysfunctional family
    The "Episode" films are the Skywalker saga, which is really all George Lucas ever wanted to tell -- they're very much the core of this entire franchise. But in any case, this is the last of the Skywalker-centric films.


    Quote Originally Posted by magi877 View Post
    and, now that it has been confirmed, the "fact" that Anakin was indeed created and seeded into Shmi by Palpaltine using the force, just tells me that the Skywalkers have been nothing but pawns for the Sith
    Confirmed? It wasn't even "confirmed" in the old Expanded Universe. It was implied in the Legends book "Darth Plagueis," but the Expanded Universe was wiped away and has zero bearing on the new canon.


    Quote Originally Posted by magi877 View Post
    and what is Han's real last name anyhow? JJ and crew just dont drop stuff like that into scripts for no reason. Solo could have just gone on being Han's real family name and no one needed to have any changes... so, is Kylo maybe a "who knows who" and a Skywalker?
    He doesn't have one...and JJ Abrams had nothing to do with the Solo movie.
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    thats why I said "JJ and crew"

    the confirmation of Palpatine creating Anakin, in canon, is here. Darth Vader #25

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWf77Aq-LOI


    this new group of SW's tptb's, imo, are a bit lazy. first they discard the EU then they have been picking and choosing items from it and bringing them into canon. They have done this often since REBELS and EP 7, SOLO and ROGUE ONE

    i dont have a problem with it per se, it is just a bit..what word? dishonest, to first 'outlaw' a character or event from quasi canon then take that person's work and make it canon to fit they way tptbs want it too

    sorry, this is just a quick reply and probably doesn't make sense

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    As usual, morons on YouTube are misreading things and misleading otherwise well-intentioned folks...

    That entire issue was blatantly just dark side visions twisting reality and the truth. Very little of that issue is meant literally, that least of all. If anything, that sequence is implying that Sidious is Vader's "father," in that he sired Vader the Sith, not Anakin the human boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    The "Episode" films are the Skywalker saga, which is really all George Lucas ever wanted to tell -- they're very much the core of this entire franchise. But in any case, this is the last of the Skywalker-centric films.



    He doesn't have one...and JJ Abrams had nothing to do with the Solo movie.
    yes, Lucas did set out to do that-the story of a family, good vs evil,etc. but he gave up when he sold out didn't he?

    as for Han's name, well even if he didn't know his true surname, there are two people who were his biological parents. their names/families is what I was getting at. I mean why even bring up the subject of his name in SOLO? Why not just leave it alone, no one was questioning the name that I know of. It was just something TPTB's thought would give the film more "edge" or whatever

    the whole thing was like a checklist; where did Han-- get his blaster? check! get the falcon? check! meet Chewie? check! why did he refer to the falcon as "She"? check!

    i love the concept of the anthology films, just don't see any reason why they chose to use Han and Lando other then for name recognition. there more 'important' story in SOLO was the one about the crime syndicates and how each one portrayed played their role in supporting either the empire or the rebels. As well as the tangential one of Maul

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    As usual, morons on YouTube are misreading things and misleading otherwise well-intentioned folks...

    That entire issue was blatantly just dark side visions twisting reality and the truth. Very little of that issue is meant literally, that least of all. If anything, that sequence is implying that Sidious is Vader's "father," in that he sired Vader the Sith, not Anakin the human boy.
    everything put out in the new canon has been approved by DISNEY/Lucas arts

    and the method shown for this (the world between worlds) is not "visions". the same method was shown in REBELS when Ezra entered into it in real time and saved Ahsoka from Vader.

    that is all canon

    and the issue of Anakin's creation-- there are more sources then just the videos on YT, there are dozens all referring to this and all stating that it is confirmed as canon by disney/lucasarts. just do a search under "did palpatine create anakin?"

    here is another site: https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2018/...anakin-father/

    and here is Pablo Hidalgo's tweet on the subject. in it he assents to the "fact" that Palpatine is the "father":
    https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/sta...-into-canon%2F

    it is just following through on Qui Gon's initial instincts/results of tests that he did on Anakin when he believed he was perhaps created by the force due to the heavy presence of midi-chlrorians

    the Skywalkers are the ultimate triumph for the Sith. A family that believes itself to be on the side of "good". Only to be used by Palpaltine to accomplish things he could not do outright- lie do away with the empire and all the bureaucracy and corruption he foresaw it would have

    He uses the Skywalkers to effect a type of clean slate for him upon his return-- if in fact he is actually returning in EP 9,in whatever way TPTBs can conjure up

    given JJ's canon shaking record with projects like star trek, hell, we may be told that Palpatine is actually a Skywalker (as in a unknown relative of Shmi) and it ishe who is 'rising'

    but as i said before-- yea! for it coming out! the faster the better and the sooner we can be done with this family

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