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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    Strange title, but looks good!

    You were kinda right with your guess Digi haha, is it celebration already?
    It is indeed! Today was the first full day of Celebration, and the Episode IX panel was the big event. I may or may not have watched the 1+ hour livestream here at work....
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    So, question is... its in the trailer but Ill tag it anyway

    Spoiler:
    Is that Palpatine at the end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    So, question is... its in the trailer but Ill tag it anyway

    Spoiler:
    Is that Palpatine at the end?
    Yes it is.
    Spoiler:
    They ended the panel with saying they'd go to the teaser. It played, and then the cackle at the end....and then the stage lights came back up again and Ian McDiarmid walked out onto the now-empty stage. In his Sidious voice, he goes "roll it...again," and they played the trailer a second time, and then that was the real end of the panel.
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    Interesting... was great to see Lando again too!

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    I'll spoiler tag it

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    OH MY GOSH IAN!!!! I loved him in Revenge of the Sith, its so amazing to see how the cl.one wars had started, and how he acted as TWO guys at once, on oine side hes the reluctulant leader taking on all this mess, on the other he's the bad guy moving the pieces for the ultimate goal

    I think he's still pulling the strings. Honestly I'm happy to see him back! I now have something to look forwards to this christmas!


    On another note I now thing Last Jedi can be unstickied and this thread be sticked

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    Sorry guys, but this is bad. Really bad. I can't believe this franchise ended up like this. "Only" desert, then a dark world... No alien landscape, weird new races or ecosystem. Nothing special or amazing, just a "normal" scifi movie.

    What Skywalker are they talking about? Will there be a family connection between Rey and Luke? Luke hasn't got a child (officially), while Han's son is called Ben Solo before he turned into Kylo Ren. So no Skywalker exists anymore.

    The only good is the Wadi Rum. I have been there 3-4 weeks ago and the tour guide said they have shot the Episode IX there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Sorry guys, but this is bad. Really bad. I can't believe this franchise ended up like this. "Only" desert, then a dark world... No alien landscape, weird new races or ecosystem. Nothing special or amazing, just a "normal" scifi movie.
    Sorry Platschu, not saying you're wrong cos obviously it's your opinion and what you get out of SW, but that just kinda seems a little strange to me... I mean if we're talking Environments in Star Wars I almost exclusively think of sand worlds and jingle planets closely followed by spaceship interiors. And other than Yoda and Chewie my mind doesn't really jump to aliens except for those that serve as background filling.

    What Skywalker are they talking about? Will there be a family connection between Rey and Luke? Luke hasn't got a child (officially), while Han's son is called Ben Solo before he turned into Kylo Ren. So no Skywalker exists anymore.
    My theory is that either
    Spoiler:
    Ben will either retake the Skywalker name after he discovers that he is being manipulated somehow OR Rey, since she has no last name, will take it up as being the last of Luke's legacy, perhaps after finding out that she was another ejaculate conception like Anakin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Sorry guys, but this is bad. Really bad. I can't believe this franchise ended up like this. "Only" desert, then a dark world... No alien landscape, weird new races or ecosystem. Nothing special or amazing, just a "normal" scifi movie.

    What Skywalker are they talking about? Will there be a family connection between Rey and Luke? Luke hasn't got a child (officially), while Han's son is called Ben Solo before he turned into Kylo Ren. So no Skywalker exists anymore.

    The only good is the Wadi Rum. I have been there 3-4 weeks ago and the tour guide said they have shot the Episode IX there.
    I'm not saying you're dead wrong, but...you're dead wrong.

    This is a first teaser. It's meant for hype, not to tell you the plot or give you every last detail. That's what the actual movie is for
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    My theory is that either
    Spoiler:
    Ben will either retake the Skywalker name after he discovers that he is being manipulated somehow OR Rey, since she has no last name, will take it up as being the last of Luke's legacy, perhaps after finding out that she was another ejaculate conception like Anakin.
    Yes...that's generally how it works....

    (Excuse me while I die laughing at the greatest Freudian slip I've seen in 15 years on GW )
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    My theory is that either
    Spoiler:
    Ben will either retake the Skywalker name after he discovers that he is being manipulated somehow OR Rey, since she has no last name, will take it up as being the last of Luke's legacy, perhaps after finding out that she was another ejaculate conception like Anakin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    It is indeed! Today was the first full day of Celebration, and the Episode IX panel was the big event. I may or may not have watched the 1+ hour livestream here at work....
    A link to said event:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnhiLZOprZE
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    Sorry guys, if I seemed too negative. A close family member died today, so I am not really in happy mood.

    I love Star Wars. Maybe I am the weird one, but I prefer the prequel trilogy asmy favorite is Episode III. So many fanshated these movies as they seemed heretic next to the original movies, but I have "grown up" on these three at age 19, 22 and 25. I really love the colorful, vibrant style of the prequels as George Lucas really tried to create visually stunning, but also different landscapes in every movie. I had the same feeling even for the Clone Wars series, where season 3-5-(6) shows a pure visually convincing, really living universe.

    Then the new trilogy arrived. I will skip the moaning for Ep. VII and VIII. It looks like Ep. IX follows the same style again. Good, but not enough good. Nothing amazing or really unique idea. I love desert, but for every new movies? You know Avatar could show us alien ecosystem 10 years ago. Even the prequels had so many little details that the audience could feel the difference between the locations. I would like to get back this discovery feeling as the technology reached that level that only the fantasy is the limit of the artists nowadays. Money definately can not be a factor as SW is the biggest name on the movie market like a flagship. So far Ep. IX looks like a budget version of SW again instead of being visually rich and exotic, but maybe I will be wrong and it will be pure awesome fun. I have really lowered my expectations after the horrible Ep. VIII which nearly managed to kill off my enthusiasm for this brand. Sorry. Probably Clone Wars season 7 will be made for me.

    Other. I am guessing Leia's scene will be a flashback after her death if they won't use any CGI, so Rey will remember her this way as it can be seen briefly in the teaser. Or her "Jedi" spirit will communicate or guide her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid View Post
    Yes...that's generally how it works....

    (Excuse me while I die laughing at the greatest Freudian slip I've seen in 15 years on GW )
    This is what I get using my phone. Damn auto-correct!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Sorry guys, if I seemed too negative. A close family member died today, so I am not really in happy mood.

    I love Star Wars. Maybe I am the weird one, but I prefer the prequel trilogy asmy favorite is Episode III. So many fanshated these movies as they seemed heretic next to the original movies, but I have "grown up" on these three at age 19, 22 and 25. I really love the colorful, vibrant style of the prequels as George Lucas really tried to create visually stunning, but also different landscapes in every movie. I had the same feeling even for the Clone Wars series, where season 3-5-(6) shows a pure visually convincing, really living universe.

    Then the new trilogy arrived. I will skip the moaning for Ep. VII and VIII. It looks like Ep. IX follows the same style again. Good, but not enough good. Nothing amazing or really unique idea. I love desert, but for every new movies? You know Avatar could show us alien ecosystem 10 years ago. Even the prequels had so many little details that the audience could feel the difference between the locations. I would like to get back this discovery feeling as the technology reached that level that only the fantasy is the limit of the artists nowadays. Money definately can not be a factor as SW is the biggest name on the movie market like a flagship. So far Ep. IX looks like a budget version of SW again instead of being visually rich and exotic, but maybe I will be wrong and it will be pure awesome fun. I have really lowered my expectations after the horrible Ep. VIII which nearly managed to kill off my enthusiasm for this brand. Sorry. Probably Clone Wars season 7 will be made for me.

    Other. I am guessing Leia's scene will be a flashback after her death if they won't use any CGI, so Rey will remember her this way as it can be seen briefly in the teaser. Or her "Jedi" spirit will communicate or guide her.
    Aww I'm sorry, dude. Message me if you need to talk through anything.

    Otherwise that does explain a lot. I grew up with the prequels too. I was 10 when Ep1 came out, and I loved all three at the time but as I've grown up I just find them... well... awful. I mean I occasionally like to watch them for the action. But that's really all. I do love the Clone Wars series. Can't wait for season 7. But that to me is what the prequels SHOULD have been. I hate anything to do with Anakin being the chosen one and i hate how black and white they make the dark side seem. The one thing I do like about the prequels (ok two things... ok three things...) is a) how the Jedi are given this subtle subtext of being a decaying order. B) Palpatine. C) Obi-Wan. But the last two are only down to the actors who play them really. And also conversely to the first point I still hate how the Jedi are portrayed at the same time.

    To me Star Wars movies are swashbuckling romps. They're about plucky, wisecracking heroes and ridiculous odds with some pew pews, spaceships and laser swords thrown in for good measure. The planets and the aliens are all just window dressing. I mean the only alien that actually matters through the entire Saga is Yoda... And I mean I guess you could argue *sigh* Jar Jar too... (stupid idiot effectively gave Palpatine the galaxy)
    To be honest, even with the parts of the EU I enjoy, I find all of star wars totally shallow. I don't derive any great meaning or nuance to it and it doesn't need it. They're just fun adventure tales. I get excited for them, but I don't see what's special about any of them, if that makes sense. Beyond of course their technical importance when they came out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    So, question is... its in the trailer but Ill tag it anyway

    Spoiler:
    Is that Palpatine at the end?
    could also be Jar Jar


    killing off Snoke is what killed it (a cheap death which he should've foreseen too) cause let's face it the only "big bad" left now is some pallid Vader wannabe with moderate force powers

    now they can bring him back as some sort of "dark force ghost" but that'd go against canon
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    In an ever-expanding universe, canon is not set in stone and immutable for all time. It is what it is until we're told more, and then canon includes that too.

    Vader was not Luke's father until the end of Empire. That was "not canon" from 1977-80. Leia was not Luke's sister until Jedi, so that was "not canon" from 1977-83. It's the nature of a franchise that's still active.
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    but wasn't it explicitly said (movie or canon books, haven't read any of the latter tbh) that dark-siders can't become ghosts?

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    Nope. It was assumed by fandom because we've only ever seen Jedi Force ghosts in the films, but no.

    I would argue that the Father/Son/Daughter from Mortis, the Force Priestesses, and most especially the appearance to Yoda of the spirit of Darth Bane are proof positive that there are many ways to become a 'spirit' of the Force.
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    wasn't the Bane ghost some sort of hologram? (not the real deal)

    Yoda said "not real you are" or something

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    And the Jedi are never wrong? It was on Moraband, at Bane's tomb, and a Sith spirit manifested. Yoda proverbially plugging his ears and going 'lalala can't hear you' doesn't make him correct.

    But I'm getting off point here. Canon is what they say it is. Even if, at some point in the past, they'd had Yoda or Kenobi (or whoever) say that only Jedi can be Force spirits, that's only the case until new movie/book/comic/game/whatever comes along and says "actually they were wrong, they only thought that because [blahblah]." That's what canon is in a franchise that isn't dead.
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