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    Really pleased that Stargate is back - its only going to get bigger and better.

    I think this is an interesting take on Catherine's Origins story and a neat enough bridge between the movie and the SG1 series. There some minor continuity issues to begin with but they are largely resolved with a nice twist that explains some bits in episode one of SG1.

    That said, this movie is overall disappointing given the standard we have come to expect from Stargate. For the budget - this is good I guess. But should have been so much better!

    Like the fact that they have added "Catherine" to the title... hopefully an indication of a continued investment... from the outburst of both support and critique - they must know that its needs to be much better next time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    They have even used the original DHD from SG-1 and you can easily how well it was made as a prop. The colour, the little details, basically everything is much better.
    That DHD might look the same, but the the middle button looks way too artificial. There's no aging done which there should be. It looks brand spanking new, like it's never been used before.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesgilfoyle View Post
    Really pleased that Stargate is back - its only going to get bigger and better.
    Why would it be bigger and better. Considering you're showing MGM you're just fine with this low-budget thing by collectively paying for it. They don't need to go bigger and better. They're cashing in just fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesgilfoyle View Post
    There some minor continuity issues to begin with but they are largely resolved with a nice twist that explains some bits in episode one of SG1.
    I wouldn't call Isis/Aset's involvement a minor continuity issue... Just saying.
    She's established at the bottom of the Atlantic, with the rest of the artifacts from the Stewart Expedition.

    Impossible to be on Abydos and Earth at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesgilfoyle View Post
    That said, this movie is overall disappointing given the standard we have come to expect from Stargate. For the budget - this is good I guess. But should have been so much better!
    If I were a new person watching this, I would avoid any and all stargate like the plague. This is the new billboard for stargate. For any one not having seen any of the previous installments, they'll probably run the other way for thinking that if such is the standard -- no way.
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    The answer to our Moon being used three times is simple: it's because the movie had it as well. This is one of the (very) few things I liked. Sure it's ridiculous and not realistic at all, but I would've done the same, just because it would be a nod to the original film.

    After seeing the third kawoosh (when they return from Abydos) I finally noticed it's just a cut-and-paste from the movie. It's literally the same effect (kudos to their cutting skill, it's seamless, except for the perspective angle). Yet the "strudel" (whirlpool) effect behind the gate is just a cheap effect though.

    Sound effects are terrible. Even I have almost all of the original sound effects on my PC, so why couldn't they use them? The sounds of the chevrons, activation, shutdown, and the event horizon loop are the same from the movie. The sound of the ring spinning is just awful, like a ticking clock.

    The DHD just makes the gate look even worse. I do think it's the original DHD, since it looks very close to the original and not as cheap as everything else.

    As for Ra's ship, again I think it's a cut-and-paste from the movie. Especially the shot with the ship in orbit and firing on the temple; it's the same shot in the movie just before the bomb is transported aboard. Even the "weapon" is just the transporter beam in reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivao View Post
    As for Ra's ship, again I think it's a cut-and-paste from the movie. Especially the shot with the ship in orbit and firing on the temple; it's the same shot in the movie just before the bomb is transported aboard. Even the "weapon" is just the transporter beam in reverse.
    I don't remember the 3D on that shot to be that cheap.
    Movie-ship vs Origins-ship

    But I shall have to do a comparison over the weekend.

    On second thought -- here you go, the shot in the movie is far better than the ones in Origins.

    And for anyone still having doubts as to where this fits in, it's definitely 1994 canon and not series canon cause in that same link above, there's a gif with a ringtransporter -- Origins' is an exact copy.
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    I have been hearing a lot about the cheap feel of this. Do you think they're just testing the waters with this for something bigger down the road? Or do you think this is just a low-end money grab to get the last few pennies they can from it?

    I was sooo excited to see this and I still have yet to (still searching for someone with an extra code to trade) but I was really hoping for better than I'm hearing. Maybe my now low expectations are a good thing. Maybe it'll be better than I'm now imagining it to be. Ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedevilman View Post
    I have been hearing a lot about the cheap feel of this. Do you think they're just testing the waters with this for something bigger down the road? Or do you think this is just a low-end money grab to get the last few pennies they can from it?
    Testing the waters -- they made a website "for the fans" where they block all content of meaning for everyone except 6 countries. They blocked access to Stargate Origins (don't say license issues because there's no third party to pay here when it's on their own service) -- and continue to block access to the Dial Home interviews (which I absolutely hate, especially when they post on twitter about it -- "Come see our interview with..." -- sorry, nope, not you... you're not the fan we're looking for). The mission files which accompany Origins are blocked content (I got access because someone was kind enough to copy them for me in a private message). Behind-the-scenes videos and interviews -- blocked content.

    They expect every non-6-country person to pay the equivalent of 20 dollars for a digital download. I can buy season 4 or 5 of Atlantis on DVD for that kind of money, or season 1 or 2 of SGU, or 4x Ark of Truth/Continuum.

    Considering how silent they've been since a year ago... MGM -- this is just a money grab.

    Quote Originally Posted by thedevilman View Post
    I was sooo excited to see this and I still have yet to (still searching for someone with an extra code to trade) but I was really hoping for better than I'm hearing. Maybe my now low expectations are a good thing. Maybe it'll be better than I'm now imagining it to be. Ha
    Why an extra code? Dude, if you don't want to pay for it -- download it from ... you-know-where -- available in 1080p and 720p. I mean, trading with an all-access members is not paying MGM's price on iTunes. You're just paying someone their 20 dollar back for their premium pass (and the code doesn't work outside the 6 countries, just a reminder).

    Keep your expectations as low as possible, and you'll see you could like it.

    I did, and it worked. Seen it twice now.
    Okay, I admit, I'm in love with Ellie Gall's Catherine Langford...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    I don't remember the 3D on that shot to be that cheap.
    Movie-ship vs Origins-ship

    But I shall have to do a comparison over the weekend.

    On second thought -- here you go, the shot in the movie is far better than the ones in Origins.

    And for anyone still having doubts as to where this fits in, it's definitely 1994 canon and not series canon cause in that same link above, there's a gif with a ringtransporter -- Origins' is an exact copy.
    It's not a 3D shot but a scale model. It doesn't look cheap, just dated. The movie also looks better because the whole movie looks like that. Typically cutting and pasting a portion of footage from an old movie that has been remastered to HD into a modern movie that has been shot and edited in HD usually degrades the image.

    And yes, the ring transporter has 10 rings like in the movie, instead of five in SG-1 (also because one of the shots of the rings is also cut-and-paste from the movie).

    EDIT: I might do a VFX comparison between both movies (maybe later today) to see what has been reused/copied from the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nivao View Post
    It's not a 3D shot but a scale model. It doesn't look cheap, just dated. The movie also looks better because the whole movie looks like that. Typically cutting and pasting a portion of footage from an old movie that has been remastered to HD into a modern movie that has been shot and edited in HD usually degrades the image.

    And yes, the ring transporter has 10 rings like in the movie, instead of five in SG-1 (also because one of the shots of the rings is also cut-and-paste from the movie).
    Damn... I need to pay better attention.

    Thanks for the info though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    Testing the waters -- they made a website "for the fans" where they block all content of meaning for everyone except 6 countries. They blocked access to Stargate Origins (don't say license issues because there's no third party to pay here when it's on their own service) -- and continue to block access to the Dial Home interviews (which I absolutely hate, especially when they post on twitter about it -- "Come see our interview with..." -- sorry, nope, not you... you're not the fan we're looking for). The mission files which accompany Origins are blocked content (I got access because someone was kind enough to copy them for me in a private message). Behind-the-scenes videos and interviews -- blocked content.

    They expect every non-6-country person to pay the equivalent of 20 dollars for a digital download. I can buy season 4 or 5 of Atlantis on DVD for that kind of money, or season 1 or 2 of SGU, or 4x Ark of Truth/Continuum.

    Considering how silent they've been since a year ago... MGM -- this is just a money grab.
    Yeah, that is what I was afraid of and what is becoming more and more clear as I learn more. What a punch to the face.


    Why an extra code? Dude, if you don't want to pay for it -- download it from ... you-know-where -- available in 1080p and 720p. I mean, trading with an all-access members is not paying MGM's price on iTunes. You're just paying someone their 20 dollar back for their premium pass (and the code doesn't work outside the 6 countries, just a reminder).

    Keep your expectations as low as possible, and you'll see you could like it.

    I did, and it worked. Seen it twice now.
    Okay, I admit, I'm in love with Ellie Gall's Catherine Langford...
    Mostly just because it's easier for us to watch through iTunes. That and I have LOTS of other really good digital codes to trade that didn't cost me anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    I did, and it worked. Seen it twice now.
    Okay, I admit, I'm in love with Ellie Gall's Catherine Langford...
    Yeah, she's not hard to look at at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedevilman View Post
    Mostly just because it's easier for us to watch through iTunes. That and I have LOTS of other really good digital codes to trade that didn't cost me anything.
    Ah, in that case... I hope you find someone.
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    Please do the movie vs. Origins comparsion. Even I could recognize Ra's ship... It is so disappointing that even the special effects were "borrowed" from the Stargate movie. What a shame.

    As far as I know the DHD was really a prop from SG-1. I believe they mentioned in one of the shooting extras. I can't admire the details. I have already loved the art work in the SG-1's gate as well. When I could discover such little marks, curves, shapes as part of the texture what I haven't seen before. Well done whoever planned and created those props.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    This whole marketing is so amateurish than the movie and the site itself.
    This. I received a survey by email, addressed to the "top 100 fans" which is obvious bs, on survey monkey. Really?

    Also I think the marketing folks must be actual monkeys, for the questions in their survey had absolutely no statistical value / pertinence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Please do the movie vs. Origins comparsion.
    I'm game for that.

    It'll have to wait for the weekend though, because tomorrow Belgium's playing England in the World Cup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    As far as I know the DHD was really a prop from SG-1. I believe they mentioned in one of the shooting extras.
    It really should have had more weathering.
    And the extras are, once again, all-access only. These are not available for free.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    This. I received a survey by email, addressed to the "top 100 fans" which is obvious bs, on survey monkey. Really?
    A total BS survey indeed since every single one of us got it. And with questions like "Why didn't you get a premium pass?", the rage was real and the answer reflected that.
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    Any British, German, Canadian, Australian or New-Zealand premium members who can confirm or deny this?

    According to someone on twitter, the international iTunes code for the "free" copy of Stargate Origins: Catherine is only a rental code for a "view once" option? While the US code is for a download.

    Stargate Command is looking into it, and it's the first thing I've heard.
    If it were true, that would literally be the icing on the already frakked up cake. But I seriously hope not -- that it would be true, I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    According to someone on twitter, the international iTunes code for the "free" copy of Stargate Origins: Catherine is only a rental code for a "view once" option? While the US code is for a download.
    I don't know if it's actually the case - I haven't seen anybody say it was, and I'd think they'd be vocal about it - but that is certainly how it was worded in the e-mail. Here's the disclaimer from the e-mail for US and Canada, with parts that are the same left normal text color.

    Quote Originally Posted by 'Download your Free Stargate Origins Feature Cut Now!' e-mail
    Code expires on 06/19/2019 19/06/2019 23:59:59 PST and is redeemable only on the iTunes Store for United States Canada. Requires an iTunes account, subject to prior acceptance of license and usage terms. Compatible software and hardware, and internet access (fees may apply) required. Not for resale. Rentals must be fully downloaded within 30 days of code redemption, and viewed within 30 days of download; once started, you must complete viewing within 48 hours. Full terms and Apple’s Privacy Policy apply; see https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/usca/terms.html and https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/. For more information, see https://support.apple.com/en-ca/itunes. This video is provided to you by MGM.
    Much the same applies Australia, UK, and New Zealand ones (plain English), and I can confirm that the German one also reads the same - not fluent in Spanish and French, but the numbers '30' and '48' sure appear in those, too.

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    Rentals must be fully downloaded within 30 days of code redemption, and viewed within 30 days of download; once started, you must complete viewing within 48 hours.
    If you ask me, that's pretty straight forward.

    And with regard to protests -- they probably didn't read the fine print. Considering how many neglected to read the TOS, PP and FAQ at the Command site before buying premium, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't give this one another look either and just went "Yes, FREE copy.".
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    Well... I bought premium really lately as I had some technical difficulties. I really believed that a new SG spinoff will come as the hype was building up in February and March. I have been a loyal fan in the last 20+ years, so I hoped and I still stope that a new SG show or tv movie will come in 2019-2020. I really wanted to express my support on this way in the future SG projects in spite of I knew that Origins will be a disaster after the first 3 episodes. Just I was thinking it costs only a price of two pizzas or a posh restaurant meal, while they don't give any chance for other foreign SG fans even to pay for it legally, so I decided I will pay this little contribution to the potential future of this scifi franchise. I haven't regretted it, but as I said numerous time before, I am not happy how they handled the other 190 countries, how poor is the quality of Origins and how simple is the SG:C website. We are in the XXI. century, so we deserve better treatment for our money. Imho.
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    @Platschu

    Showtime has just ordered a 10-episode season of a live action Halo series. I'm excited about that.
    That's what's coming in 2019.

    Stargate Command is a joke, which they have been since the beginning.

    Stargate Origins isn't bad quality. I went in with the lowest of expectations, none actually, and I have now seen it twice (once before reading the Mission Files and once after), and I've been having an incredibly funny back and forth with Daniel Rashid, Aylam Orian, Philippe Alexander and Shvan on twitter -- even Ellie Gall has come and done some liking.

    Bloody hell, it's the most interaction I've ever had with stargate related actors on that media platform.

    Those guys literally brightened my day last week with their Ancient Egyptian antics. Hence why we need a full DVD/BluRay release with a lot of extras and audio commentaries cause they would be brilliant.
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    I have just opened a topic for the Halo.

    I am not on Twitter. It is nice that they responded. It is not their fault that the fans expectations were much higher after so many years. Origins felt like a not so carefully chosen starter at the restaurant, but we are still waiting for the new main meal.
    "I was hoping for another day. Looks like we just got a whole lot more than that. Let's not waste it."

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