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    Hehe. I am near the 2000 views. Here are a few more random ideas to extend the current ones:

    1. Biohazards. Well it is a bit harsh abbreviation of non-human races, but I brainstormed a few race before which are not necesseraily humanoids. Or even their presence can make sick other races . Maybe their anatomy is different as well ((ike breathing different gases, different enzym systems, different energy reproducing ways), so we can explain different "skills" with biochemistry through evolutions on different planets. And that is the reason I talked about why an ideological conflict could escalate in the Milky way. Not just because somebody hasn't emptied the bin, I believe our future "ecoterrorist" enemy would be more serious about it. Isolationist Or unionist shall be a civilization? Shall they leave their biological mark on other planets or not (for example: to be afraid of contaminating an other world vs. directly spreading our own biological marks there)? Which side is right in a long term of evolution? So that is the reason I have said that SG should not be only about bigger and bigger spaceships, bombs and shields. I believe a new SG spinoff should stronly build on visiting alien worlds, new ecosystems, remain human in inhuman conditions etc.. But unfortunately if we open the stargates we can never know if we don't kill the locals even with a little sneeze on the other side or if our world won't be contaminated with something nasty when we come back... So that is the reason I believe we could tell so many intelligent stories and ethical dilemmas through a biology oriented main character. For example Try to imagine the local Jurassic parks! Not dinosaurs of course, but what if the Ancients moved such plants and races to different worlds (because of the Ice Age) which died out with the spreading of humans on Earth? It could be interesting to see such animals on a few isolated worlds.

    2. I have rewatched the Harsiesis related storyline. I believe something is still missing from the timeline. What could happen with the Goa'uld why they don't want to remember their past crimes? They are evil anyway, so what can be even worse than them? There must have happened some serious events, but unfortunately the SG shows have never really explored this area of their past. I have imagined a little quick backstory. We know that they were taken the Unas as hosts. Then maybe some other visitor race was also taken as host so they could leave their planet through the stargate or some spaceship. Maybe The Great Alliance has seen a great potential in them as they wanted the "good" Goa'ulds to look after and guide the human worlds while they were escaping to the Pegasus galaxy. That is the reason they were named as System Lords, as literally one Goa'uld was guarding one solar system. Maybe the Great Alliance has already fallen apart that time and this step looked like a good idea as they Goa'uld hosts looked immune to the brain infection, but no Ancients was willing to unite with them, I don't know. They were spreading and they could controll easily most of the galaxy. There were complete worlds where everyone were Goa'uld! Then they have meet an alien race on a distant world who wanted to stop them and they rebelled against the Goa'uld rule. The free Titans have used advenced technologies (like laser firing satellites), but they couldn't defeat the complete Goa'uld as there were so many of them and they infected so many races in the galaxy. One of the minor Goa'uld Queen (Mnemosyne - goddess of memory and in this case literally the genetic memory) made a biggest evolution jump for the Goa'uld. She has taken a Titan as a host. She learned that host and the symbiote can share memories and experiences, so these essential information can be coded into genetic memories. They learned all the technological defences of the Titans this way, so more and more Goa'uld wanted a Titan host as they were jealous to each other. The Titans were really effective enemies in the past and most of the Goa'uld worlds have been wiped out easily. What Mnemosyne and the other Goa'ulds couldn't know that the Titans decided to have an evil long term plan how to defeat the Goa'uld society from inside. They artificially engineered Titan bodies which directly sacrificied themselves as hosts, so the first Titan was misleading Mnemosyne (her host name was Gaia). We know that the Goa'uld Tel'chak (Mayan rain god from the season 7 Evolution I-II) found that cube like device in 900BC which helped to create the first Goa'uld sarcophagus what ruined the souls of the Goa'ulds. The Titans directly wanted the Goa'uld to find it, so while the Goa'uld could heal themselves, now they could heal their vulnerable aliens hosts as well with the cube. Later the developed sarcophagus technology what looked very-very adventageous in a galaxy wide war. The proud Goa'uld haven't realized the side effect of the technology in time. They became more and more depent on the Titan technology as every Goa'uld wanted to live forever. They became more and more suspicious and hostile to each other, while the genetic memories made sure that all the future generations of the Goa'uld were the same as well. They almost killed each other completly as they were fighting for more and more power. Not to mention that they symbiontes became parazites. Unfortunately the other side effect of the technology was that their life can be only extended if they were consuming other Goa'ulds, so that is how the cannibalism started. Meanwhile the Goa'uld Ra discovered the Tauri, where they found a new, easier controllable host race : the humans. Most leaders of the Goa'ulds all changed to human hosts as this race looked perfect to repopulate the galaxy under their own terms and they killed most of the earlier host races. (The legends would come from here as the first generation of gods in Titans bodies, then the rebellion of the Titans etc.) The Goa'uld made an agreement that the Queens should not pass the Titan DNA to the future symbiote generations. They couldn't control the reproductive system of their own human hosts, but at least they could completly control their bodies not like the earlier host races. So they also discussed they will not allow of two Goa'uld humans hosts to have a common child (the Harsiesis) as even the human hosts were carrying some part of technological memories in the Titans DNA (in the quiet part of the human DNA) what was more stronger if it was doubled in the DNA of the common child. Some Goa'uld tried to use the Harsiesis as hosts, but they couldn't complete control on such hosts and they became completly mad (as a genetic revenge of the Titans), so most of them have rather abadonned and killed the forbidden childrens. Even these became such myths what they never ever talked about again. So eventually the Titans were defeated and a few survivors were imprisoned, but their mission was basically successfull. The mind (and the genetic) of the Goa'uld was infected forever and even the Queen couldn't stop of spreading it. They never tried to take a Titan as a host again. An advanced and safe human host was always a long term plan of the Goa'uld. They really made them dependent on the sarcophagus technology and their numbers greatly decreased because of the civil war and the cannibalism. What the Titans haven't calculated in that millions of humans suffered from slavery and Goa'uld civil wars because of their genetic memories and revenge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemosyne

    I know it is not the most exciting mini-story, it is just a quick improvization. We know that even Ra has had a strange alien host, maybe that was the reason he could gain power as he was the one of who found Earth and the humans. Mnemosyne could be left out completly and he could be the one who has taken a Titan as a host, but Ra has never been a Goa'uld Queen as he had Hathor, so it would look a bit odd how his actions had an effect on every other Goa'uld around him. I know I don't have to expalin everything all the time, just I don't like plotholes.

    And we should explain what happened with the earlier humans in the galaxy? Were they all Ancients? Or have all of them died out / ascended / escaped? What if Ra's host was a Vanir (see the small flashback at his death in the Stargate movie)? What if they wanted to ruin the Alliance with the viral infection of the Ancients? That would be also a big revelation that they have been manipulating even the biggest races for a while now.

    I guess the writers of SG shows haven't dug themselves into biochemist, but if two Goa'uld human hosts can pass genetic memories to create a Harsiesis, then it means that the Goa'uld host bodies are directly passing genes to future generations. So maybe a Goa'uld host could supress the "genetic memorial poison of the Titans" and they could kill all the Harsiesis, but what if they fathered a child with a "normal" human? It means that every descendant of active human hosts could carry such DNA sequences which are part Goa'uld or Titan. And that means lots of affected people in the galaxy. That would be an interesting new "genetic" discovery (for example the Ashen could extract some Goa'uld memories to gain new gate addresses and that how their story as a hostile galactic civilization could start...) You know the human DNA has got lots of quiet genetic sequences / parts which are not used for anything in our body, but it is still being copied to every cell. It is like an evolutionary heritage, but these part of the DNA never used to synthetitize any proteins (what is needed for enzyms). Or if you have seen how an embryo develops, then there is a stage when all humans had a little tail like body part like a genetic heritage from the reptile times, but then this tail disappears within a few days. I hope you can still follow me. Imagine it like copying a book all the time, but everybody would put an empty page in without informations, then soon it or later most of the book would be empty and just a small portion would be really useful. So my idea would be that if the Goa'uld had genetic memories about earlier host races, then maybe it was accidentally given to human descendants. And don't forget that even the Ancients coded their precious high-tech stuff with genetic coding. There must be a really good reason why the Goa'uld has never found this "biological key", maybe it shows up on Earth as a gift from Merlin or whatever.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-coding_DNA

    But as we talked about the Titans before, unfortunately Cronoss was used as a Goa'uld Systemlord. It could still happen that he was a leader of the Goa'uld who managed to defeat and to lock them up, but he has kept his Titan's host name as a reminder of his victory. But then Ra became the supreme leader as he could find the humans as future slaves.

    And the uncanon sourcebook also mentioned that the homeplanet of the Nox is called Gaia. Well.. That will be a bit hard to explain, but I can try to find a reason. As you can see I am capable of connecting the existing informations.

    edit. I have rewatched the Evolution I and II where they stated that according to Nick Ballard Telchak's device had Ancient origins. So maybe the Titans were a group of Ancients who wanted the Goa'uld to guard the solar systems. Or maybe Nick Ballard was wrong. It would be nice to hear a deeper Giant Alien story anyway what could explain why was Hathor locked up in Latin-America. Maybe she was looking for the device for herself? She had her sarcophagus in her tomb, so it must have happened after the discovery of sarcophagus technology. Zipacna was also introduced. They even had Chalchiutlicue as a Goa'uld in 3x05 Learning Curve. Hmm interesting. The SG timeline is full legends and mysteries.
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    3. I always wanted to here some stories why a few Ancients showed up in Rome to teach the local people. Theoratically JANUS is based on mythology:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus
    Even the Tok'Ra EGERIA comes from the same time as well. But their visit or teaching could be explained that the informations about alien visits in the Greek-Roman times were burnt in the Great library of Alexandria. Maybe that is the reason Omoroca was stuck in a shrinking oasis in the middle of the Sahara, but I will tell that "The Oasis" story idea a bit more detailed later.

    So what is missing what happened with Earth? Was it guarded directly by a group of ascended Ancients? If it happened then why have they stopped it? Which alien races visited Earth if the gate was buried 3000BC? When? How? Have they visited Earth before or after the rebellion against Ra? The main reason I was thinking on the Harsiesis/Titan storyline, because what if our SpaceJinn is one of them? Could he be a Titan? Or a Harsiesis?

    4. I really wanted to connect all the Mayan/Aztec/Inca cultural references to the Giant Aliens from the Chrystal skull, so their skull network was working like as an independent enity in the past. They could have brought many Earth based folks into their own galaxy without the stargate. Even Tollan / Tollana and Orban are based on the Mayan-Aztec myths, so maybe they were taken by the Giant Aliens too. And the giant pyramid from the Chrystal skull episode would be only just a base. But then we have to explain what happened with the unknown alien force which defended Earth after the rebellion, but it has let people to be taken by the Asgard or the Giant Aliens in the mediavel times. Even Sokar has some Christians, what is really hard to explain. The only reason I was thinking about this problem as I tried to fix the plotholes in the timeline and what if the Chrystal skull would be literally a skull of the race of SpaceJinn? But then I said to myself that it would be a bit brutal (18) connection. Hehe. As you can see I have lots of possible ideas for poor character what would shock my little audience.

    5. SpaceJinn couldn't come to SGC earlier as we haven't got a DHD. That would be a good explanation.

    6. Vanirs are not capable of beaming themselves or bombs in the SGC as they have put such Asgard tech on the gate in season 8 which prevented the direct beaming of the stargate, so that would also protect Earth from the beaming weapons and unwanted visitors.

    7. Atlantis could be inactive base as the cloaking shield would be extended to whole Earth while they are in transphase.

    8. Maybe the Wormhole drive directly damaged the Cosmic Background Radiation, so that was the main reason it was forbidden to use by any advanced races (including the Ancients). Maybe our galaxy was under a protection like an umbrella in the universe, but this wormhole drive made an "ozone hole" type damage on it, so same upper level entities decided to "lock down" the galaxy etc. Even General Hendry said what if there are even more powerful beings than Ancients? But I really don't want to bring the SG realm to that direction.

    9. Some random idea - Carnivore Carneval
    It would be to see a recurring threat in the galaxy. When we meet them first it would look like a normal "circus" who visits different worlds and they earn money with their local shows. They have got a unique collections of captured alien races and animals and the people are amazed to see the wonders of the galaxy. But then we would learn their dark secrets that actually they are also assassins who collects and sells exotic and rare lifeforms for their "circus" where they sell them to fight in an arena type scenario.

    10. Other random idea - "Twins"
    The team would discover a planet, where everybody has got a twin brother or twin sister. It looks like the genetic of the local populations has evolved, so every sibling pairs have got a strong mental link to each other like two bodies share the same soul. And this strong physical and mental link works even from huge distance, so not just when they are on the other side on planet, but rather when they are on different planets. Later we would find out that the Ancients have visited and studied this race a long time ago as their biology helped them to upgrade their Ancient communication technology. The Goa'uld also visited this race as they wanted to use them as spy, but they were not valuable as Goa'uld hosts, since the other mind could defend the occupied hosts. They have kept a few as servants and they bombarded the rest with their spaceships, so they almost became extinct and only a few dozents have survived. They managed to go into exile through the stargate. This is the proof that not their original homeplanet caused the "mutation", because it is not planet related. Our little team would also discover that the evolution of this race was drastically changed in the past, when visitors from an alternate reality showed up and they settled down in our reality. They married the locals, but then all their future generations had only twins, like one of them is in our reality and the other one is theirs. They are in excellent health as they can always compare their own health to the twin pair. Unfortunately they are not immortals, so it means when one dies then the other will also die. They could be a key to help on Erik and his hostile clones, but it looks like other races also have got plans with them. And not just from our reality... If we would like to introduce a new hostile AU threat (when the same race made an alliance with itself in different realities) then this twin "race" could play an important role in that storyline.

    11. Random idea - "Nymph"
    I could imagine them in the SG world as such chosen people who were educated by the Nox. They were like an "anti-Goa'uld Systemlords", who were also guarding different worlds in the galaxy. The studied the laws of nature. They were protecting the local animals and plants. So it would be nice to introduce a peaceful advanced human group as "Nymphs" who could be like the Priors of the Nox. Like space druids. Different skills, different motivations. Most of them were wiped out by the Goa'uld, so only a few have remained on secret and hidden worlds. The peaceful Nox also couldn't find any other solution to the galaxy wide aggression that they started to hide the non-human worlds and races from the human worlds when Ra was rising up his dynasty. This way we could introduce an interesting chapter of the past of our galaxy, while we could connect it to the current situations. Maybe one of our main hero could get a "membership" in time as a character development. Some nymphys could be friendly, some of them could be really aggressive. Most of them would be passive and over-protective. Some of them could be living underwater / underice worlds (like nereids) from the mythology. They could even play an ambassador type characters in communication between humans / Jaffas and non humans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymph

    12. Random idea - "Malcolm metoo"
    Well.. It is a very sensitive and controversial and actual subject. What if one of the main male character ("Malcolm") would be kicked from the program as his officers believe he behaved inappropriately on other planet, but he was innocent even if he couldn't prove it. Anyway he fathered a child with a local "alien" lady and that caused diplomatic conflict between the Earth and that newly introduced planet. He could never clean his name again what has really happened and there were lots of gossips about him behind his back. So while he was not sentenced to prison on Earth, but he had to leave the SGC program and he was forced to settle down offworld as the local custom dictated to marry the lady and to raise up his future child.

    Some time later they have to call him back as he would play an essential part of a new expedition or team, but he would not willing to serve as a soldier again as he became an "offworld citizen". Unfortunately his former army co-workers still don't believe in him, so he would like to find a way to clear his name. He would be a bit anti-hero character, like a black-sheep, who is always a bit too sceptical about everything, but he follows his heart and he won't volume down his personal opinion anymore as he used to do it as an army member. He would also have a unique perspective about the galaxy as he used to be a man from Tauri, but now he lived his life on an other brutal society, where assasins tried to take his life a few times now.

    Later we could write some stories about his distant SGC past, then what he has done on that planet and why he will join the new team. Has he gone somewhere else too during the pregnancy? What has he worked there? What will happen with his marriage and child? Does he love her? Will he move them to the Academy?
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    Heh. It wouldn't be hard to create a new show: "StarGate: BioHazard" about all these ideas. Everybody would know from the start what to expect, and they wouldn't be disappointed! P-}

    The Nox would be important, both as helpers and as eco-zealots.

    The opener should be that terrific and hair-raising backstory of how the Goa'uld lost their souls despite winning a war.

    I've never understood how Harcesis were supposed to work, or why the Goa'uld were so opposed to them.

    The StarGating "Carnival of Horrors" should be the pet project of none other than Ba'al. Or maybe Nirrti?

    After 4 or 5 seasons it could be revealed that some AU villains are using the Gates to manipulate events and wreak havoc on the Milky Way (before a hostile takeover).

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    I was still thinking on the biohazard problem. I have read some articles about "evolutionary biologist". This is the acute title of such people who are interested in evolutionary process. And what would be a better place to tell stories about it than stargate? Lots of planets, lots of potential starting scenarios and lots of potential evolutionary ways for humans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_biology

    Just imagine the galaxy. Ancients arrived. They started to build the first stargate network. We should imagine that probably they have meet lots of interesting advanced and not so advanved ecosystems. I am not talking about intelligent lifeform yet, just the base structure of life supports like plants and animals. Then what happened? Which one have they chosen to spread it to other planets? Because we have to accept the fact that the lucky planet must have been Avalon/Earth/Tauri, so that could explain why most of the planets have got Earth based vegetation. But then we have to ask the questions:
    - Were stargate placed on habitable or inhabitable planets?
    - If they terraformed a planet around a stargate, hwo long did it take to terrafrom the complete planet?
    - Which races were moved there? I mean which type of forests? From what period of Earth? What animals? Mushrooms? Algas? Flowers? Bees? Grasshoppers? Predators? Reptiles or mammals?
    - Since we know that the Ancients (and the old Asgards) looked like humans, we can presume they have studied us in the last 50 000-100 000 years. So have they relocated animals before the last Ice Age? Or only just after the Bronze Age? I don't want to introduce a Jurassic Park scenario in Stargate, but such prehistroric animals could exist even now on other planets which became extinct on Earth.
    - What happened with those planets where other ecosystems existed? Were they changed into hibrid worlds? Or has the Earth based lifeforms already taken over those potential evolution ways?
    - Were the isolated worlds developed differently? Because everything depends on the solar system : size of the local sun, size of the planet, the sun-planet distance, the strength of the magnetic field, the changing of seasons, the place of the stargate etc. So if Ancients played Simlanet then not every planet started with the same resources.

    And then we haven't talked about any intelligent lifeforms or races, just generally how it could have happened a long-long time ago. If you read back I already asked lots of questions about how galactic and even intergalactic intelligent races could react to these separate "experiments" casued by the Ancients. So many stories could be based even on this subject what could be a new introduction of allies and enemies.

    For example what if there were 20-50-100+ ecosystems in the Milky Way and then the Ancients obviously have chosen to spread only that one which will support them on their own colonies. So why would they plant for example methane or sulphurdioxide breathing trees on a planet, if they need oxygen? What happened when the "abadonned" experiments? Have they put stargates everywhere? What was the opinion of the Four Great Race about safeguarding of the younger races? Have they tried to isolate the races from each other? What was their opinion about the building of stargate network if they knew in advance that soon it or later the stargate network will cause clash between different evolutionary pathways? So are the stargates good or bad in a long term survival of a race? Have they moved Earth based lifes to any other galaxy as well?

    And this one is just one aspect of the Stargate what could be introduced in the future. You know other shows have got random aliens, but I like realistic scifi, where you can explain such little things with logical explanation. For example I never liked when somebody stated ohhh this is a silicium based lifeform. Chemistry is chemistry everywhere. There won't be new elements on other planets if our periodic table is correct, maybe it is not complete yet (see Torment of Tantalus), but suddenly you won't be able to squeeze in new elements into the existing order. And if carbon and oxygen can be found in the atmosphere, then the evolution will go to that direction which included these elements in biologically active molecules. Nature always tries to spare energy, so we can assume that always those chemical bonds will be stronger what happened on Earth. So if Carbon (C) can create more molecules then it is simply better than Silicium (Si). Obviously it doesn't mean that the dominant intelligent alien must be humanoid as well as even if you compare a spider, a dolphin, an octopus or a rat they are all made from the same chemical elements, but they are really different from each other. So I can imagine new body parts, new enzyme ways, but it will never ever happen that a lifeform will contain silicium molecules dominantly. Or I can imagine such different breathing enzymes or energy ways which adapted to the local atmoshere (what if it contains more methane or nitrogen-dioxide), what would be toxic for us, but the locals would be adapted to this environment. That is the reason we could tell stories about evolution of different animals, or even extinct animals, or the potential future evolution of the human kind.

    Since the gate system could be placed a long time ago, probably these evolutionary changes have already happened. So when the Goa'uld/Asgard/Ancients/Giant Aliens started to spread the humanity from Earth in the different galaxies then these ecosystem changes or "wars" have already happened betwen plants vs plants or animals vs. animals, so new ecosystems must have been evolved there. Obviously a mammoth or a sabretooth tigre won't press buttons on the DHD.... So what if the spreading of humans also started to accelerate these type of "biological clashes" on so many planets? Probably so many settlers (Jaffas and Humans) must have died when they reached forbidden planets through the stargate, but what if a small percentage survived as they could adapt with the local harsh conditions. And that would be also a way to introduce new near-human races who used-to-be humans.

    Talking about Asgard. They should explain why they have come to Earth in the first place. Have the Ancients showed them Avalon? Or were they interested what the Goa'uld was doing here? And when they have also taken people from "Midgard", then the local culture formed the Asgard society or the Asgard technology formed the Norse mythology?

    It would be also nice to hear some explanations how could the Ancients let the Goa'uld spread so rapidly in the galaxy. You know the Ancients really believed in free will, so that caused the debate with the Ori in the first place. But what about the Goa'uld? They are against free will as they take hosts. What role has the Four Great Race Alliance (FGRA) played in the rise of the Goa'uld? Because I could imagine that Nox was a true neutral and that caused their hiding as morally they couldn't fight against even theirs own enemies. The Asgard must have demonstrated their technological knowledge. Maybe the Ancients were already gone / ascended at that time. And the Furlings? What if they supported the Goa'uld as the SG:W game main story suggested? How have other minor alien races reacted? Were there other potential allies to the FGR who have also visited Earth? Where have they gone? Have they moved humans to other galaxies? What happened with those advanced races who didn't like the forming FGRA alliance? Like the Haaken (from the cancelled Alliance game)? So this way we could introduce new galaxies, new gate networks and maybe we would learn more about the past of our own galaxy. Maybe Brad Wright has got a more complex explanation.
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Haaken
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Straegis
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Furling


    But anway maybe I am the only one who was thinking on such problems and the audience wouldn't be so interested. It would depend how it is explained and what stories are written on their legacies.
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    Hopefilly you can still follow me. I don't want to turn the Nox evil. They are mother nature, so they love everyone and everywhere... even the bad guys. Like an ultraliberal alien race. But how would they react if they are the one who will be attacked? Would they fight? Or would they accept their fate? That is the reason it would be interesting to tell some stories what role they could play in the history of the galaxy. etc.

    Here are a few more quick random ideas:

    1. Double gate dialing:
    What would happen if 2 wormhole established at the same time? A calls B, while C calld D. What if the wormholes are "crossed"? Could such thing happen that somebody entered A side, but came out on D, while somebody entered C and came out on B. That could be an interesting gate related discovery.

    2. Noah's ark:
    It would be nice to tell this story... Ark was a spaceship and the Nox tried to rescue a few dangered smaller races to a new galaxy....

    3. Ashen starting story:
    What if Mollem was suspicious? They dialed the black hole from the Volian, so that planet is destroyed, but the Ashen homeworld survived. We know that the Ashen Confedation was not capable of reaching other worlds as they haven't known the changed gate addresses.
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Aschen_Confederation
    I tried to imagine such scenarios how could they written back as a main antagonist:
    - somebody will dial them and they will act again as a hospitable civilazation
    - alternative reality could find them (they don't have this technology and I would like to keep it for a new hostile SGC or alien race)
    - somebody crashes into their space with a spaceship
    - the Prior of Ori has visited them
    But these would be a too simple solutions. I was thinking what if they could find out the drift of the solar systems by themselves? They must had min. 2 planets in their Confederation. If you know the working stargate addresses and then the distance between these close planets, then they could have calculated mathematically where a next stargate could be in the coordinata system. This mathematical method could be explained how the circumference of Earth was measured by Eratosthenes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
    If they knew 2-3 planets fixed position in the 3d map, then theoratically they could shorten the number of potential glyphs, so they could find a working gate address even randomly. Hopefully you can follow me...

    So if the Ashen could visit an other planet, then maybe they could have sent spies around secretly. I would imagine that they made a truce with the Lucian Alliance as one of the smaller warlord could work for them. And what if the Ashen has developed the kassa (the corn) in the first place? Since they are so good at harvest they don't necessarily wants to the attention of any major armies (Lucian Alliance, Jaffas or Tauri), but it doesn't mean that they couldn't be introduced as an evil conspirator who tries to turn everybody against Earth as a retaliation.

    And who knows? We know that the Mayans had corn / maize gods:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_maize_god
    So what if the Aschen homeworld used to be built on a Furling colony or a Giant Alien colony (from the Chrystal skull). I believe Joseph Mallozzi confirmed the Giant Aliens were NOT the Furlings, but it doesn't mean they couldn't have more bases in our galaxy. Maybe they have brought the Ashen there by a chrystal skull, but then they could see the darkness in them, so they took back the skull. Then we could explain how they became advanced so quickly, while someone still kept them away from the rest of the galaxy. Or what if they were taken as hostage to an other galaxy and now they plan to return to decimate the galaxy because of their evil plans.


    Or even their past could be explained with Asgard or Goa'uld background:
    https://treesforlife.org.uk/forest/m...-folklore/ash/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_(deity)
    So we can keep the kassa corn and the maize god to an other adventure.


    4. Lady of the lake - Omoroca or a descendant of her on Earth ... What if it has happened in the Sahara?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_of_the_Lake
    But the Arthurian mythology should be kept for the SG-1....

    5. And what if there were notes about alien activity in the Great Library of Alexandria? And what if somebody directly burned it down? Could the Ancient be involved to cover their crime or to "postpone" the discovery of the Stargate? Maybe a Roman expedition found something in the desert, but then Janus or the other Ancients made sure that the primitve humans won't find the notes about the discovery yet.

    6. "Chalchiutlicue"
    This alien was mentioned in the beginning of the 3x05 Learning Curve by Daniel Jackson. It looks like she was a Goa'uld based on an Aztec water goddess:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicue
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Suns
    She would be a perfect choice to combine the different mythologies. Some legends said that she caused a massive flood and her most loyal followers were turned into fishes who followed her into a new world. Stargate wise she could be member of Nem or Omoroca's race who were taken over by a Goa'uld as a host. and this Goa'uld created a new type of slaves/Jaffas from humans which were able to breath underwater as amphibians, so we could introduce them even in underwater stargate worlds. They could still visit non-aquatic worlds as well, but then they have to return quickly to their homeworld. So that would explain the siren / nereid / mermaid type legends on Earth. We could also connect this story idea to the aliens from the Watergate too. And Goa'ulds can swim in water, so imagine what would happen if the team would stand at the bottom of the ocean while the Goa'ulds would swarm around them in the water...

    7. If Telchak and Chalchiutlicue were Goa'ulds then when has Quatzelquatl and his people visited Earth? Before or after the Goa'uld era? Before or after that Ra was sent away? How and why was Hathor imprisoned there? That would need some explanation. Even Seth was hiding here, Sahmet, Isis and Osiris were put into canopuses. So I am guessing their failed rebellion must have happened before Ra was defeated, but then Hathor and Seth were hiding on Earth. What if an alien alliance or force stated that Earth is under their protection and that is the reason why Ra has never returned. His closest "family members" could know this information as so many people were taken from Earth, so maybe that is the reason they came back here to hide. But it would still not explain why Hathor and her sarcophagus ended up in South America. Have they shipped her there? The only reason I was just thinking on this plot hole, because if we want to talk about the Giant aliens (the Chrystal skull aliens) then it would be nice to know what happened with her. Was she looking for new allies against Ra? Was she looking for the Telchak's device as well for herself?

    8. Just an extra mythology reference to my twin idea :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Hero_Twins
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    What else we haven't talked about yet? Here are a few wild and harsh spinoff / SG movie ideas :

    Spinoff idea 1) - Stargate : Genesis
    A new adventure of Ancients, who has just arrived to the Milky Way from the Ori galxy. They just established their first stargate network (universe type of gates). Maybe the main character could be based on the younger Janus, who is a time traveller anyway. Ancients would meet heir future allies (and enemies) for the first time here. The story could still have some connection to the current timeline on Earth through a time loop.

    Spinoff idea 2) - Stargate : Titan
    A tv show about the era when we can see the last decadent years of Four Great Alliance as it being corrupted by different hostile threats. The old gate system was replaced with a newer version in the Milky Way . The new connection of formerly isolated worlds would cause a galaxy wide civil war instead of peace and prosperity. The show would end with the death / flee / ascension of the Ancients, but they would also send a few new seed ship to place stargates in the other galaxies around the Milky Way. Most of the Ancients worlds became extinct and abadonned, so the galaxy suffered a mass extinction.

    Spinoff idea 3) - Stargate : Legacy
    A tv show would follow the decendants of Ancients who returned from Atlantis to Earth. They try to secretly protect Earth after the rebellion against Ra and to overthrow the Goa'uld Empire. So they establish a new alliance of the advanced races against the spreading Goa'uld. They could use a new hidden Ancient outpost base on the Moon (or the Great Library of Alexandria) while the Mediaterran sea is under the control of the Roman Empire. Later this alliance (the Roundtable) is betrayed and their attempts will fail.

    Spinoff idea 4) - Stargate : Academy
    A tv show would follow a new group of heroes, who rediscover the mythical, long lost school planet in the Milky Way which played an important role in the past, but then it was abadonned. They have to stop a new alliance of hostile forces, who blocked the FTL drive in the whole Milky Way and they started galaxy wide attacks against advanced human and Jaffa worlds. This new hostile race studied and upgraded their own stargate network, so our heroes must find a way to save both galaxies from their control with the help of old and new allies and restore the broken peace.

    Spinoff idea 5) - Stargate : Valhalla
    This adventure could follow an expedition to the Othala galaxy, where Earth must prove that they are the real heir of the Asgard legacy against the evil Vanirs.

    Spinoff idea 6) - Stargate : Exodus
    A new alien discovery on the Moon would lead mankind into a new galaxy where they could finally meet the builders of the Stonehenge, who use their own transportion methods.

    Spinoff idea 6) - Stargate : Homeworld
    The new show would continue the daily work of the Homeworld Security, who tries to protect Earth from unimaginable galactic dangers.


    etc.

    * * *

    I always tried to imagine the Four Great alliance the following one:
    - Ancients : explorers - the equality vote on the council
    - Nox : voice of peace, nature, diversity - the isolationist vote on the council
    - Asgard : voice of technology and achievement
    - Furling : voice of violence, control of space, war
    I don't know why I have always felt that is how the SG universe should work. Obviously I don't want to copy the Babylon 5 where the two ancients races (the Vorlon and the Shadow) played with the younger races on their own ideology. And we also don't want again a super overpowered enemy race (like Reapers from Mass Effect), so I believe the FGRA could have been broken up as a combination of different problems (ideology war, rebelling minor races, attacking major races), so soon it or later we would find out how the Furlings have gone and the Goa'uld have risen.

    Since we don't know how BW and RCC imagine the timeline and the different eras of stargate, they could introduce and plan so many settings in advance like I have done it with a little improvisation. So if we could see what happened in the past then we could make "crossovers" in the future etc. Maybe advanced races have raised up and fallen, so they could introduce so much different type of shows. Anyway I am just dreaming.


    * * *

    I have rewatched the two Ashen episode the "2001" and "2010". Well.. They have gone with ships to the Volian world, but later they have found the stargate and managed to dial their homeworld. So technically they must know the 2 fixed location the Ashen and the Volian world.
    1. So they can simply calculate a potential next solar system as I have written above or even with random dialing...
    2. Maybe they kept the ambassador alive, so they could interrogate him. Lucky us he hasn't been on other planets and I doubt the Ashen have got memory adapting technologies (like the Tok'Ra or Galarans (SG-1 9x13)).
    3. We also know that the Ashen terraformed a gas giant into a sun. So there won't be too much solar systems in the Milky Way where we could see such Tatooine type two-sun system. But we know their coordinates anyway... The question is what if an other race of visitor have entered into their space via space ships or via stargate.

    Because just imagine that somebody will find the Ashens and they look like a friendly ally. What would the Aschen do in the Milky Way? Or how could the status quo quickly change? Maybe they would stay in the background for a few years to not meet with the Tau'ri directly, but after they will collect enough informations I am sure they would go for vengeance.
    1. I believe they would try to eridicate the Jaffas (and humans) with biological weapons. Not everybody have got tretonin, so they would be still vulnerable even to symbionte poison.
    2. Same with the Tok'Ra. I doubt that the Rebel Jaffas wouldn't try to eridicate them once for all.
    3. If a hostile force would discover that the weakest part of the Loyal Jaffas and the Rebel Jaffas is the tretonin, then I am pretty sure that everybody would like to capture or to destroy the Pangar. We can only hope that the Tok'Ra would have more secret facilities where they have improved the tretonin in the first place. The tretonin could be also similar to that live extending drug what the Ashen could offer, so maybe we could make references between the two cases.
    4. Earth is very-very vulnerable because of the offworld bases. So maybe they can't destroy Earth directly because of the Iris, but probably they would hurt us other ways through our first colonies.

    Anyway when I talked about the biological hazards... We could still study the swarming giant flies (from season 2 "Bane") or even the R75 bugs (season 9 "The Scourge"). They could be used as biological weapons against any world, so it could be introduced as a morally questionable method how to defeat our enemies. I doubt that the Aschen would have problems with it.

    Or the Ashens could be even carefully introduced as a time travelling enemy. What if they studied the solar flares and they managed to go back or to go forward in time. Even their artificial second sun could cause wormhole problems between the Aschen-Volian distance.

    Or they could be introduced back as a main villain that they would capture the replicator signals from Dakara in season 8 and maybe that would lead to some discoveries how can find out the locations of other planets. If astargate was also dialed simultaneously in the neighbourhood solar system then soon it or later the same weakened wave must have reached them as an cho. So the Ashen supercomputers and satellites could find out easier the distance from the time difference, then the potential coordinates. That sounds clever and logical, isn't it?

    And who knows? Maybe they have relocated their own stargate after the black hole incident on the Volian, so maybe they started the experiment on spacegates and gateships as well.

    So anyway... Even if we could rescue them, we should find a right motivation how they would stepup as a major threat to the galaxy and what would their goal be in a long-term. That is the reason it is a bit hard to involve the Ashen as they are so overpowered that it wouldn't be believable how could we defend ourselves. They play the same role like Thanos in Marvel, so they fight against overpopulation, but if they could have a dozen planets, maybe they would change strategy. That is the reason I will believe they could be pefect for the following revelation.

    We could learn about a chronicle of a human race, what played and active role a long-long time ago, but later it would be revealed that they were also the Aschen. I could imagine them as they accidentally have gone back in time (as they are the master of solar flares by observing satellites), so the Ashen have infected and murdered the Ancients 10000 years ago. That would be a really dark plot twist.

    It would be funny to make an episode called "2100", where a group of Aschens have gone forward in time and they will learn some essential informations (maybe about their own defeat), so then they try to travel back in time to eridicate the Ancients once and for all. Maybe they could be responsible for creating the brain attacking infection in the past... Or even the genetic degenaration of the Asgard or the near extinction of Furlings. But if it could happen, then how would we prevent that they destroy humanity on Earth in the past? That could be explained in an other time travelling adventure...
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    Wow. Four guests are reading me at the moment. Yay. New record.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Suns
    I have linked this one already, but I tried to read it as an SG fan fiction about the Giant Aliens in an other galaxy. Interesting and inspiring.

    * * *

    It would be nice to make an ongoing Earth based metaplot about Homeworld Security. It could work as a Men in Black in Stargate. They would identify the local alien activity on Earth. Maybe they would visit some digs in different places. Maybe Telford could take over after O'Neill's retirement.

    The story could start with the discovered abadonned Furling base on the Moon or maybe an Ancient satellite still orbiting around Earth. And if they could connect to the data flow of this Ancient satellite, then they could discover a similar network what we could see in the "Game" in Atlantis. So the Ancients have built this safe-in to guard and to watch the Milky Way galaxy. Maybe Earth was an Ancient protected planet, so that is the reason the Goa'uld never dared to enter back here what we were not aware of.

    But this safeguarding system could also draw the attention of some AI / alien races who are sitting in the hub of this network. Or we could gain some informations how our planet looked like a few thousand years ago or we could see what other alien races visited Earth and where have they gone now.

    It could be a good start of slightly different series which plays in the stargate universe, but not necessarily stargate related. Or the clues and signs could lead Earth to same major gate related discovery : the abadonned Academy or the gate network hub or any new 9 chevron address or maybe an Ancient vessel or gate planting ship. There would be so many options.

    They planned the Moon base anyway, so that is the reason Carter mentioned it in Continuum. Maybe they would move the MW gate there or Atlantis could fly there. Or they could connect the base with Earth with ring transports. Or if the MW gate could work there then the Atlantis gate could work on Earth until the cityship hasn't left to Pegasus again.

    The Moon base could be connected to any lunar related mythology. Not necessarily Greek, Egyptian or Mayan, maybe something new.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lunar_deities
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selene
    https://exemplore.com/misc/10-Intere...About-The-Moon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixchel (for connection to the Giant Aliens)


    So when we say the Moon was always watching us then technically it would be true as the base in the Moon or on the surface of the Moon would always study and guard humanity.

    * * *

    Flood myths should be used as part of Omoroca's race expansion in the galaxy. Maybe it happened a long time ago, when they started to destroy human worlds, so that is how they were fighting against the Goa'uld. Then some of them swam back to their homeworld and their society has fallen into a civil war. Since so many cultures remember the flood myth, we could explain that it happened on numerous planets. They have literally drowned the people in many worlds, or they started global climature changes (like ice ages). Then the Nox or the Giant Aliens decided to be involved and then this underwater society was defeated and their agressive "flood crusade" was suspended. Maybe this was the end of an era of mythology, when so many minor natural and artficially created races (read back: the Medusas, the Nymphs, the Phoenix the Kentaurs, the Arakhnes, the Jinns, the Titans etc. or the established ones like the Salish (spirits), the Rhee'tou, the Blue Chrystals, the Unas, the Mimicri Aliens, the Serrakin, the Reol, the Gadmeer etc.) were isolated from each other forever. The Nox felt responsible for the ongoing massacre and they decided to never ever be involved in the evolution of younger races. Maybe some of them were still transported to other galaxies by the Nox, Furling and the Giants aliens, so that would explain the Noah's Ark / Gilgames story idea too, while we could explain the presence of humans (and Earth based mythologies) in other gate systems.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth
    Then humans could return and re-discover what happened in the past, how the first generation of gods (the Titans) were defeated and then how the Goa'uld spreaded. I believe it could be told to the audience on an interesting way.

    * * *

    I also would like to see some wind related aliens. When I was talking about floating forests filled with helium or any other gases then I have envisoned them as a representative of the "air element".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_deities
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemoi
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_spirit
    Even some characters could be named after different name of winds:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_local_winds
    So as you can see we can always find some histrocial or cultural references even for the bad guys. If they are bad at all. Maybe they are just not understood. They could gain energy from kinetic movement, so a time dilation field would be harmful for them. But that is an other tale... As you can see I have some plans to introduce "biohazards"...

    * * *

    Or it could be interesting to see a war between 2-3-4 races in an other galaxy, but their conflict could escalate into our galaxy, so Earth must choose a side and then they decided to send a small expedition to find a peaceful solution.

    * * *
    Random story idea :

    A team visits a human world which used to belong the Goa'uld Bastet. They discover quickly that the local cats have taken over the planet and they control the humans with telepathic skills. What could happen there? Has Bastet really used a feline type race as host in the past? Or has she experienced on common cats as well? What if she is still alive after the kull warrior attack? How can our heroes escape?!
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Bastet
    Schrödinger or McKay's new cat could save the day...

    * * *

    Random story idea 2 :

    One of the main character could have a dream sequence that Dhaleks comes through the Stargate. So they could play a little Dr. Who - Stargate crossover.
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    New stargate network travel idea - "the housekeeping stargates" :

    "The Yarn"

    A new agressivly expanding mushroom race shows up in the Pegasus galaxy (then even in the Milky Way) which starts to grow some material on stargates then it forms a complete building around the floating space gate. These particular buildings looks all the same. At first they capture only space gates, which are unable to spin and operate, so these stargates will be also blocked from the system. More and more space gates are occupied by this race which will start the block the communication between allies and enemies.

    The next time we would meet race we could find out that they are able to move in / warp in the basic peaceful building around the stargate, but they can modify themselves and make destructive buildings (the "stipes" spaceships). So imagine the space gate, then the "weapon building" regrows around them while the gate stays in the hangar of the stipe, then the hangar door is opened, so the whole building could fly away from the stargate then the next stipe can be created.

    Even later we could find out that this race is not highly intelligent, but they have different fractions as they can controll different races for their own use in their home galaxy. Some tribes will not just occupy spacegates, but they will try to capture stargates on the ground planets too and they won't hesitate to spread a slime thing material which makes rotten the local trees and bushes. Or they will directly try to use spores to manipulate the human citizens to work for them. They could even fire such "spore bombs" from the space gates, so they really want to infect and to terraform every world.

    The team must find a way how to stop these rapid expansions and who or what is the mastermind behind it as the stipes chose carefully their target planets. It looks like the yarns are spreading with the stargate subspace protocol (like the Universe gates), so they can see all stargates around the infected stargate, but they still choose just mostly space gates.

    So our team will take back one of their advanced ships which was built by an unknown alien race and they try to use it for their own advantage. They find out that the rebuilding protocol works after they cleaned this ship from the alien mushroom yarns so they dial stargates and the ship will be rebuilt around the stargate while they are on the board.

    Then the new team decide that they must fly to the hostile galaxy of the stipes so they can stop the mind control of the other local races. Then we could find out their history, culture, motivations, fears, how it has started to spread, how they managed to change and to overwrite the local stargate protocoll in their own updated stargate network, what races were captures and what races have they have met. This idea could work in MW or in Pegasus or in other newly discovered network.

    I know it is similar to the Zerg storyline from StarCraft, but I tried to add a little extra with the use of stargate. At first I envisioned this idea that a tel'tac size building would travel around the spacegates, so this one would be a normal travelling protocol for such travelers who can not fit into the stargate while it can also replace the jumpers in that particular galaxy. We could find good reasons why they have not just simply walked into the wormhole and why you need to use ships as shields in that harsh environment.

    If they could manage to clear a unique ship from infection then this "travelling" spaceship could be a new base for a new spinoff while it keeps the stargates as an essential "drive". So it would introduce a new combination of spaceship based scifi show while the always changing inner stargate could still be the used for "normal" adventures.

    Or we don't want any new network, then this race could be introduced as an updated version of the Seed from Atlantis season 5. Maybe some Wraith have experimented on Asgard/Vanir technologies and they turned against them etc. Or this race just evolved quickly in a time dilation field in the Ida galaxy and now they are free after the death of the Asgard who managed to guard them during the replicator war. Or the Vanir have let them spread. Or they could come even from a completly new galaxy. There would be so many options.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom

    These could be their own equivalent of Goa'uld ring transport:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_ring

    But if you don't like the mushroom conception, they could be replaced by any other alien race. Mushrooms could be interesting as they are neither plants, nor animals, so their motivations could be really extreme and unique.

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    New stargate network travel idea 2 and 3 - "beaming" and "teleporting" through the stargate


    This one would be slightly different from the "Yarn". It would be a local stargate protocol in the Ida galaxy which used to be under the rule of the Asgard, but now the Vanirs will return and they try to reclaim their heritage, so they won't hesitate to send troops into the Milky Way galaxy as well to capture the Asgard Protected Planets.

    The Asgard has developed a technology, what allowed them to beam persons or items through an the active wormhole. They have also learnt that they can beam back travelers from the other side as the energy transfer is similar to the radio waves. It was used as a safety protocol in their own galaxy, but the Ancients were worried that what if the technology will fall into the hand of the Goa'uld and they will use it for their own use, so Ancients blocked it long time ago in the Milky Way.

    Now the knowledge will fall into the hand of the remaining Goa'ulds, Loyal Jaffas or/and the Lucian Alliance or any other race in the Asgard galaxy. The beaming technology could be used in two different ways:
    a.) Since the Goa'uld hasn't got the Asgard beaming technology, they had to modify it to their own needs. They have discovered that two Goa'uld ring transport can move material between each other if there is an active stargate connection between the planets. It can be only used one-way.
    b.) The Vanirs won't use the Goa'uld ring transport, but they can beam much larger units. In their case they would adapt the technology to move their spaceships through the stargates as they are unable to fly in hyperspace.

    So if the FLT blockade is still on then both of our enermies would gain some temporarily advantage, which could be a disaster for the Taur'ri. Lots of stories could be written how this discovery would change the status quo in the Milky Way (or in the Ida galaxy), while we could use some restrictions as story elements (distance, direction, amount, time, failure rate etc.). Even our own team could get some trouble when they end up in the wrong places or accidentally duplicated or if our enemies could sneak spies on Earth if they could find other hidden ring transports etc. And we could find a logical explanations why the Asgard (or their ally) needed such technology in the first place, that is the reason I suggested what if some race are sensitive to the event horizont and the molecular rebuilt process, but they still want to enjoy the stargate network. Maybe the cloning of the Asgard was harmed by the use of wormholes of the stargates or whatever. Anyway maybe it is a way too powerful technology for the Stargate universe, just it would be nice to see it an action.
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    Although I have not read this thread completely, I still intend to do so. It's just that I have other, more important things in my personal life right now, however, I did come up with a couple of ideas for a spin-off. There's currently two here, but more ideas are on the way. Would like honest opinion about these ideas of mine. If you don't like them, I don't mind - really.

    Stargate: Mythology Gate
    The spin-off takes place a couple of years after the Wraith have been stopped and the Destiny had completed its mission with its crew, which has discovered that they've been chosen by the ship to be there (thus, finally finding out that Rush was actually telling them that they've been the chosen ones to help Destiny complete its mission). However, the outcome of the final battles in the Pegasus Galaxy and the final exploration days on Destiny have uncovered yet another secret: somewhere, there is a unique Stargate that can not be activated by any dialing computer, puddle jumper's dialing console or DhD, but by a very complex password that has to be inserted into the gate itself at a specific place, date and time. Daniel and MacKay, along with a somehow recriuted Samantha Carter and dr. Rush find out that this gate is capable to dial only 1 gate address and that's the gate address that can not be dialed from any other SG network, Supergate, Watergate or any other known form of Stargate. This rises interest from all of Earth's allies throughout MW and Pegasus Galaxies, including those the Destiny crew had visited and not a lot of time can pass before everyone starts talking about a Mythological treasure, left behind by the Ancients for the first person that gets to the address. However, there's one problem: no-one knows how to actually activate the newly discovered Stargate, which is a combination of the Destiny, Pegasus and MW-type of Stargate. Some 500+ years pass and eventually, the mystery becomes a problem for everyone and a war starts between Earth, all of its allies and the remainder of some of Earth's former enemies, who all unite AGAINST the SGC and start threatening Earth and its population. However, great-great-great children of some of our former heroes discover a tablet on their back yard along with a note from Daniel that the unique Gate is the answer to all of Earth's problems. Against the approval of the government, the military and all officials, the new team illegally uses the SGC's Stargate to go to the planet where the unique Gate was originally discovered (which has become known as Mythology Gate in the meantime). During their search, they discover that the MG was moved by someone 10 years ago to another planet, perhaps even to another Galaxy. Now designated and proclaimed as an illegal SG team by the SGC and unable to go back, they are forced to follow the little clues that they got from their great-great-great parents so they could locate the MG and its knowledge and restore piece - at least to their own Galaxy that's not been present of their daily lives for the last 250 years.
    However, they have no idea that their adventures will take them trough different realities and dimensions in order to complete the mission that's been brought upon them - and not by personal choice. They have to learn everything about the Ancients, the Goa'uld, Ori, Wraith, Replicators and every possible piece of the Ancient Stargate mythology that their predecessors had already known and every event and experience their great-great-great parents have gone trough.

    Stargate: Missing
    The spin-off features various SG teams in the Milky Way, Pegasus and a few other Galaxies suddenly disappearing during their missions and any data and work by them being suddenly being gone as well - however not from the overall history. At first, General Carter wrongly assumes that it has to do with the time travel, but when Teal'c arrives trough the Gate unannounced, it becomes clear that the SGC isn't the only place the same events had taken place. Bra'tac and Todd have gone MIA as well under very suspicious circumstances. Wraith have been disappearing mid-battle with the Atlantis expedition, with specific expedition members suddenly being back in the Atlantis gateroom for no apparent reason. Similar events take place on Destiny with the now re-grouped Destiny crew, who have been assigned to a new mission. When the body of another dead Baal clone shows up out of no-where (who appears to be shot in the forehead) on Teal'c home planet and another one back on a few other planets including Earth, she calls Daniel, Jack, Mitchell and Vala and shares the new events with them. An investigation finally reveals that Baal had a time-machine (the same one from SG: Continuum) and that SG-1 did manage to put everything back on track, however, visiting the time-machine, Carter discovers that the device had a failsafe: If Baal isn't the one to change the timeline, the timeline will eventually try to correct itself to what it was before Mitchell travelled to 1929. All of SG-1's victories following the Baal extraction ceremony are being undone thanks to that failsafe, including various late missions of the Atlantis expedition and some of the day-to-day missions of the Destiny crew. SG-1 attempts deactivating the failsafe, but each time someone tries to turn it off, the events are reset. Eventually Carter is forced to abort any SGC missions, she even ends up trying to bring back the Atlantis expedition and the Destiny crew to the SGC, only to see the same event happen over and over again. To make everything even weirder - General George Hammond suddenly appears in the SGC's briefing room! It becomes obvious that something is missing - or better said - someone. Now the US president must recruit a special SG team which is not affected by the time resets (luckily not all of Earth became affected with them) and find out who's causing all of the trouble - but this time, without the help of the members of the now legendary SG-1 team, the Atlantis expedition or the Destiny crew or anyone who was working with them in the past.
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    Thanks for the ideas and a respond. This topic was about a brainstorming new races, new heroes, new enemies, new stargate networks, new gate related technologies, new bases, so basically new spinoffs. Maybe I scared the people away with the amount of ideas.

    I wanted to do something similar with the Ashen. Episode title "2100". The Ashen travel to the future, where they learn their fate, so they have gone to a distant past where they try to kill the Ancients. The only reason I don't like your future spinoff idea as it was set really far away and maybe the audience would like to connect to the current timeline. So my idea was what if a team of new heroes will try to stop the Ancients in the past, so they would operate in the pre-Goa'uld era, what I would call as "the Age of Mythology". Lots of new mythology based races could be introduced and they could place them with clever writing whichever galaxy and gate system they want.

    And if we could involve time travel, then they could plan in such events which could have an affect on the current timeline. For example:
    - If we meet a new ally or enemy, maybe they could be extinct or hiding later, so that could explain why SG-1 or the Atlantis expedition has never meet them.
    - Or if they could find ruins, maybe we could see the same place in full potential or glory 5 or 10 thousand years ago etc. Imagine the Dakara as it created life in the MW... Or the civilization which created the "mirror" technology.. Or the Atoneiks or Gadmeers in the past etc.

    The main problem with time travel, that every decision makes a new potential future in the multiverse. So a self-repairing timeline wouldn't happen as every small or big decisions would create endless number of new realities. I was thinking on this problem how to explain why the Ancients didn't want to be involved in the material level after Ascension. Maybe they will guard a planet, a race or an event to happen anyway what should not be affected as even an isolated place can cause something in the future, what could change the past like a complete Moebius effect again. Like Sheppard was an Ancient all along, who will travel back in time etc., but then it would be a ripoff from Babylon 5.

    I was not really happy that time travel was also used to duplicate things in SG. Our heroes suffered enough, but suddenly they just steal a ZPM from Ra and an other reality just gets in a box. It is a bit easy writing to upgrade them. Similar things happened in the University. Destiny was accidentally duplicated then every item were collected quickly. It is clever scifi, but it has still felt like a cheating. And it is hard to accept that a reality will boldly sacrifice themselves for a potential future, while they don't get anything from it. I mean it is noble as heroes, but not really realistic that they accept their fate and they would die, but then a future themselves will be happy etc.

    The unique gate could be located in the Hub which is a centre of the Stargate network. They could be also a good start for a new spinoffs. Maybe this unique gate could be like a "chameleon", so it could change the colour of chevrons and the glyphs. And maybe it could be a secret weapon to hide it in the gate network as a "normal gate".

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    Random idea :
    I was thinking what if the Great Library of Alexandria was an alien academy or even the "Academy"?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
    Because what if some pat of the Library was actually a "time capsule" from the past. Ancients educated the humans (Greeks, Egyptians, Romans), even alien races communicated with the locals. So it could have played like an entrance room to Earth. Maybe the Stargate was still working there in an other timeline... Or the whole Library was teleporting people to other planets where they could see all the wonderful mythological creatures (new alien races), but then the connection was broken and then the starting point to access this place was also destroyed on Earth. Or maybe it was hided by the Ancients or the Nox. What if it was moved to the Moon by the Furlings?. I believe it could be interesting to involve this building in the history of Earth. If it story could work as a "time capsule room", then maybe it has showed up in different periods of Earth and now it became the centre of Homeworld Security...

    So that is the reason I said that if the writers and producers could plan ahead then even future spinoffs or storylines could be hinted here or there as more and more places, events, races could be placed on the timeline of stargate what could be revisited later.
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    For my "Mythology Gate" idea, I was thinking more of the current knowledge somehow being lost for some reason. Like someone decided to kill the existing SG program on Earth because they did not like what Earth and the entire MW had both become due to the actions of our heroes. So what if our heroes were actually an activist group following their forced departure from the Stargate program, trying to prevent the new Word leaders (i.e. Earth Leaders) to change the facts to their likings and force Earth's own allies to change their beliefs? They are outed and eventually the new Earth's leadership gets their own way of changing all the facts. What if, let's say, the SG-1 team members and their fellow SG team members from other SG teams (including some SGC staff members) are permanently banned from the program and forced to pretend that everything they've been trough and everything they did did not happen? This creates a tension between Earth and its allies and shakes their trust in the people of Earth. Daniel, Sam, Rondey and Rush find out that the MG can lead to a mythological place, made by the Ancients which holds not only their ENTIRE history, but their entire knowledge, including the knowledge acquired in the Milky Way, Pegasus and by the Destiny crew. However, the new SGC leadership can't do anything since the current government had become power-hungry and is only interested to gathering power and he upper hand in everything no matter who or what. So 500+ years pass and the great-great-great children of our heroes are entrusted with a mission by their great-great-great parents, a mission that's been just waiting for the right moment to happen. During those 500+ years, 250+ years have passed since the start of occasional, never-ending disputes between Earth and its allies, which has led the allies to turn sides and to turn their backs on the SGC. This is where your idea would come in - "The Age of Mythology", however, no time travel would be used, just different realities and universes in order to get to the Mythology Gate first and then get it to work and also, bring back some proof that things have gotten out of control from Earth's side, and not from the side of the now former allies like Earth is trying to prove.

    As for my other idea - Stargate:Missing - it also would not have involved time travel, it would just deal with fixing the final outcome of the failsafe of Baal's time machine. Sure, it would be interesting to see an SG team arriving trough the gate just about when Sam is about to set up the Stargate for time travel and perhaps seeing them even saving Sam and Teal'c from being killed before trying to warn the two about the failsafe, but that would be too easy. I was thinking more like an SG team (not affected by the failsafe) using the Hammond to go to another Galaxy and planet (so they would stay unaffected by the time resets). They would eventually figure out that Baal did not operate alone, but in the agreement with another System Lord who's been in the hiding all this time and of whose existence no-one even had an idea. The new System Lord would be called Myth'ha (I know, lame name, but I've got to call him something) and the new SG-team has an unexpected encounter with him and it isn't long before they become allies since it turns out that Ball tricked Myth'ha when Baal promised him that the fail-safe would not affect his secret little Jaffa-based alliance. Since it did, his Jaffa warriors started to turn against him and his alliance ended up collapsing pretty fast. Now the new SG team, along with Mtyh'ha must figure out how to fix the timeline without actually doing any time travel, since it would only make matters worse for everyone.
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    Ohh I see. Every idea is a good idea. I will be really interested what they will announce on the 19th July.

    Mythology gate : I believe they touched this subject in Continuum and it was a bit depressive that Earth has never used the stargate and the program has never been started. But I like your vision, it could still work in an AU adventure. Just I don't see how it would work as a season long story, but it depends what else would you like to tell about this situation.

    Missing : You can not really hide from a time reset. What if somebody kills the anchestors of humanity x thousand years ago, then you can not hide anywhere as theoratically everything is erased from th future. But as I said every fan fiction gives something new to the SG, so even this story could have happened somewhere. And as much as I love the Goa'uld, they should be only secondary villains now. You know a new spinoff needs new enemies and allies. And somehow I can't imagine Baal as he would care about any other System Lord.

    Talking about AU possibilities, I have written an idea a few comments before. It would be nice see an alternate Earth or any newly introduced hostile race, who would visit different realities and they try to forge alliances with the AU themselves. This way they could learn so much about the possible outcomes of world dominance that they could learn all the secret bases, the biological weaknesses, the dark secrets etc. about themselves and then their enemy. Even the "black SG-1" could have come from this world and it would be an interesting twist that our former heroes could be villains in a new SG mini-series.
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    About the "Missing" story: the disappearing plot would eventually become more complex since it would go beyond Baal's time changing mission and Mitchell's travel to 1929 at the end of SG: Continuum. Even when the complete SG-1 was killed in Baal's timeline (save for Mitchell), they are all alive and well once things return to normal. So the time resets would only somehow be connected to only SG-1, those who came in close contact with them when the extraction ceremony succeeded at the end of the movie and everyone that was around the SG-1 members (including Jack) following their return home from the ceremony, but not anyone who DID NOT come into a close contact with any SG-1 team members and that's a lot of people since they still have to keep the program a national and military secret. Basically, the plot would affect anyone at SGC and Stargate Homeworld, but not outside of those two places since Carter would immediately suspend any missions trough the Gate and stop anyone who was in a close proximity of any SG-1 team member to even leave their work place. So, for example, anyone in the White House would be fine - including the president. The government would be also immune to the time resets except for a few individuals who would be isolated from the rest for safety reasons. Maybe families of those individuals would have been forbidden to leave their homes for the same reasons. Any state company, agency, service provider, post office etc. and those running personal businesses should be immune to the time reset thing. Life would be completely normal for them, but not for long as there would soon be reports of - for example - children suddenly being home after leaving for school. Also, the time reset wouldn't make anyone permanently disappear, it would just suddenly return them from point B to point A (their starting point). So Atlantis and Destiny would be affected too since Carter would try to bring them back, thus making things a lot more complicated in the Pegasus Galaxy and on the Destiny. Well, maybe there would be at least some people on both Atlantis and Destiny who would be immune to the time reset thing so that gate missions would not have to be aborted completely. Same goes for Earth - some people would be completely immune to the time reset, while others wouldn't and those others would still be able to live and function normally - at least on a temporary basis.
    As time would be running out on Earth, the new SG team would have to save their home Galaxy and their home planet from total and complete destruction. Not to mention Atlantis and Destiny. This would make an excellent multi-season storyline in my opinion since it would feature Myth'ha and the new SG team going trough all sorts of dangerous missions, one of them being to get the time resets be more apart from one another and also get them to be slower in order to gain more time for finding the right solution to the problem.

    I will post a more detailed synopsis for both "Mythology Gate" and "Missing" soon, or better yet, I'll send them to you via PM so we don't take this thread off-topic much further.

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    You have to plan such changes carefully. If you want to make this story work, then imagine the fate of Destiny, Atlantis and SG-1. We know that some SG-1 characters where active under the events of Universe season 1-2, then 8-10 years have passed. So that is the reason I tried to explain and to imagine what could have happened with all the main heroes, while we want to introduce a few new one. I like your idea, just open a new thread for it, so more people can see it.

    I don't know if you have ever seen or listened to the SG1's Unleashed mobile game, but there is a time travel machine in it :
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Aten_device
    Maybe your story could work with this device, but actually Baal's time machine is also there as an option.
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    I'll have to do one more re-watch of all thee spin-offs and take notes so I get a more accurate story. But for now, the "Missing" storyline could easily be worked into a 5 or 6 season-long storyline. With most (if not all) of our heroes trapped back on Earth, Atlantis and Destiny and with them having to put their faith and trust to actions and decisions of a new, young and newly-created SG team while not being kept in the loop by them does provide for a really nice storyline. Maybe I could do a story where our heroes go trough their time on the Stargate program and think about their past actions and what could have they done differently with being haunted by the idea of the huge possibility of getting themselves in a much worse trouble a lot earlier. Also, the end of the story could easily be made into a lead-in into the "Mythology Gate" storyline.

    Anyway, it'll be a while before I come up with a concept - probably a couple of months. Until then, I'm going to follow this thread.

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