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    Well, TPTB greenlighted "Stargate: Origins", and the "Back to Destiny" comics, which many regard as little more than fan-fiction. So there's hope!

    Fascinating as all these sea dragons are, I'm guessing there's little room for non-human/humanoid races in StarGate's Milky Way, if only because none of the more frequent races seem to know them. Which is a huge pity.

    I've also often wondered where are all the non-forest planets out there, and also why so few races bother to shelter their Gates inside big caves, much as Earth does. Perhaps not a Glowworm cave, as there could easily be Goa'uld "worms" in there, but Naica would be a treat. I've toyed with that idea a bit, too.

    Bear Gryllys around the Galaxy? That'd be so much fun! Even just Abydos... Not for the faint of heart, tho. I'd settle with Jaffa trainees undergoing survival trials on exotic locales.

    "Phoenix" could actually be a Goa'uld, whose host can be killed, but who manages to "return" into another host, much like Ba'al does.

    I see this thread gathering plenty of "views". Others are reading & probably enjoying! P-}
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    Well... It depends how you introduce alien races. Obviously the viewers would accept humanoid aliens, so my wild non-humanoid aliens would never step forward because an SG show won't have the budget for it. Maybe they can do it in an SG game or in an other galaxy.

    But alien races could be still introduced, because humans are a bit boring for me. I have given plenty of ideas how to do it:
    - they are left out of the gate network to preserve their evolution
    - they have special needs why they can not leave their homeplanet easily
    - their stargate is shielded or separated (like in transphase gate, other dimensions)
    - maybe the Ancients locked them as they were worried they can harm humans
    - maybe the fought against the Ancients as they were xenophobic and they wanted to erase them
    etc.

    But probably every official or fan fiction writers should consider :
    - where this race has been
    - how many gate address do they know
    - have they contacted anyone in the past (Ancients, Goa'uld, Asgard, Tauri)
    - what are their intentions now
    - how will it change the status quo
    - have they got any special biological skill or technological advance
    Since the MW is described as a really huge galaxy and the Goa'uld ruled most of it, we can't expect big alien empires, maybe a few controlled planets.

    I could imagine that the Ancients preferred the humans as they reminded them to themselves. The Nox could be the guardian of non-humanoid races. The Asgard believed in technology. While we don't know the the Furlings intentions, but probably they could be a race of chaos which leaded to the fall of the Great Alliance.

    Or even the Ancients could be split up into different subgroups depends which philosophy they followed. I was thinking what if the Parcae could represent this ideological war:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parcae
    So Nona (Clotho) could be the creator - they are the one who believed to create life, to create new paradise worlds around the Milky Way through the stargate with the Dakara technology, so humans can spread across the stars
    Decima (Lachesis) could be the maintainer - they believed that every life and ecosystem should be preserved as they exist now, they were strongly against forcing their own technology and kind in the galaxy, but they were also against destroying the rebellious smaller races
    Morta (Atropos) could be the destroyer - they are the one who believed they have got the right the wipe out life in star systems if somebody doesn't respect the Ancients or if they tried to rebel against them
    You know the Parcae were three ladies who were the "fate goddesses". But what if the thread of life is the DNA? Or what if their Spindle is the Stargate and the thread is the acces to wormhole technology? So they were deciding the fate of civilizations on a galaxy wide level while the story was told as a warning to the ancient Greeks or Romans.

    So whatever happened the Ancients had a major disagreement in the past how to handle other lifeforms, which are not humans or non controllable humanoids. Earlier I wrote some examples what if they were left out of the gate system. Philosophically even the planting of the gate system is an interfere of evolution. Shall they do it or not? Should only the Earth based evolution forms and life to be spreaded to other planets? Were there any other candidates? Maybe that could be a reason why the Great Alliance has fallen apart as the Nox stepped up to guard the smaller, younger races, because they believed in harmony and unity, while the Furlings tried to erase the weaker ones or those ones which controlled important minerals etc., but when they wanted to stop them they have even poisioned the Ancients. The surviver Ancients have gone to Pegasus, the Asgard decided to protect only their colonies and moved back to the Ida galaxy, the Nox stepped down and became an isolationist race as they couldn't manage the spreading aggression, while the Furlings... Well we don't know what happened with them, but according to Stargate : Worlds they would have played a major role of the spreading of the Goa'uld. Maybe they believed this race can guard the solar systems, while the Ancients were away. Maybe the infection was effecting all the Great Alliance races (sent by the Ori or any other new potential threat from an other galaxy), so that is the reason that four great races decided to wait and let the galaxy evolve by itself. Just they simply haven't calculated in that the Goa'uld turn evil and the whole galaxy felt into chaos of fighting Systemlords. So when they have returned from the Pegasus they tried to establish a new Camelot alliance against the Goa'uld, while other guarded the life on Earth and some other groups became tired of war and they ascended. But I am not so sure about the SG timeline, if the Goa'uld era was before or after the Merlin era.

    Anyway what matters is that maybe the Ancients commited some crimes in the past (Atlantis showed a few of failed experiments) what we don't know yet. Honestly I want to get rid of them as the writers have really overcomplicated this race. They have given them a God type personality, so they can watch the mortals from an other level of existence. That is wrong, because then the heroes will always expect to communicate with them or waiting for some interactions. They already couldn't handle the Anubis or Adria, as a random Ancient had to sacrifice herself to save the Tauri. I don't want to see it happen for the third time, because it is a bit lazy way of sorting out a problem, what they have created in the first place. They could have introduced a less powerful enemy. So I am sorry, but the Ancients should go as they have done with the Ori too. Just the TPTB should write them out with a creative way.

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    What I have missed from the Ba'al storyline, that they should have revelead that they have a connected mind. So every Baal could see what the other Baal achieved and the memories of the clones would be collected by the real Baal. Because SG-1 has killed so many versions in the last 2 seasons that it looks like a waste that the Baals could not change experience with each other. But we could still find out a creative story to introduce this explanation.

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    I could imagine an other civil scenario in Stargate. What if there would be a tour company which brings escorted groups through the stargate. I know it sounds a bit weird, but what if people would pay money to visit other worlds. So there would be different escorted groups, different "initiaries". Since the Stargate is not revealed on Earth, it could be based on an other human civilization. It would be fun to run into such explorers on a different planet. Or something would go wrong and then the heroes should rescue these reckless adventurers. Just simply I would like to see that not the Tauri is the only one who goes for adventures in the galaxy, so what if there would be other competitors with SGC. Other humans, other intentions, evil or good etc.

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    By the way they should really make a Genesis type episode. Just show us how the Ancients could terraform a planet. Have they changed the atmosphere? Have they sent some waves through the stargate to create life? Or have made a dome type closed ecosystem around the gate which was widened later? How much time did it take to terraform the planet? Was there a "starter pack" of trees, bugs, flowers etc.? So I definatley would like to see how the Ancients played Sim : Planet. And they could build a few stories what happened if they made mistakes...

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    Phoenix wise even the Priors could have fit into that role. They burn at their death, but what if they could "respawn" again. Or they could have been an alien race who served the Ori and they have reached this near-ascension state (that is the reason they are in flames), but the Ancients have sent them back, but this cycle just repeats itself. Maybe they could have been the spies for the Ori, but since the Ancients blocked them they were locked up in a planet, but now they want revenge and to spread out in the galaxy. Since they have closed the Ori storyline, we could find an other reason how to introduce the Phoenix as a race in the Milky Way. So many cultures have got a bird-man type mythological influence that the Phoenixes could be introduced easily.

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    I would like to see stargates in caves. What if there would be a race there which has got an anti-gravity organ, so they would live their life on the ceiling of the caves / buildings? It would be funny that the heroes arrive and they fall on the ground, while the DHD and the gate is fixed on the ceiling. So the Ancients knew that this bat type intelligent race have special needs, so they placed their stargate upside down and it is located on the ceiling. It could be fun how to deal with this situation, because even if they wouldn't have a first contact in an episode just to climb back and to dial somehow would be fun to watch. Later they could meet this race, who could levitate as they could change the gravity as they want, but they would be really vulnerable outside as they could be sensitive to sun radiation etc. Maybe a space-drow type alien races could be introduced. But maybe they could have such technology what would be essential to artificial gravity on space ships, so maybe even the Goa'uld tried to conquer them etc. There are so many options.

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    Or there could be an ant type alien race which has got a massive underground hive with a stargate. They would like to have a bad habit to burrow the stargates on such worlds what they visit...

    Or even the Tok'ra tunnels could have a connection with some cave living aliens. Not to mention the chrystal based aliens. So there would be options how to create stories around them while they could connect them to earlier episodes. As you can see I like imagining not just underwater, but other aliens with different environment needs too.


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    If you remember the Hephaistos idea... What if he had an influence in the Pegasus galaxy? Hephaistos = Heff = Hoffian - he started to poising the well to save the humans from the Wraith. That could have been a great plot twist that somehow he could flew in the Pegasus galaxy on his Ha'tak ship.

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    Talking about plot twist. I am the only one who always wanted to believe that John Sheppard was an Ancient? I really hoped that they will reveal it in Stargate : Atlantis, that actually that is the main reason he is so good with Ancient technology, as he used to be Ancient. So that could be a reason while the Ancients were interested how he will defend the city etc.

    By the way... The whole Ancient gene is a mess in the tv show. Genetic skills can not be random. Because I could imagine that some recessive genes can be carried by humans, so if someone has got such parents then the two genetic allels could create a stronger skill. But what would happen after that? Why would the Ancients hide the access to their technology in genetic riddles? What would happen if a small population has got the gene, so technically everybody would inherit it? It could be connected to the Goa'uld genetic memory and the Harsiesis concept. Maybe the Ancients were worried that the Goa'uld will steal their genetic marks from human hosts.





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    I have just rewatched the season 9 of SG-1 and I couln't remember that they introduced so many gate related discoveries:
    - beachhead gates
    - supergates
    - Baal to build own stargate network with stealing of stargates and DHDs
    - ripple effect of other realities
    - gate filtering the organic traveler and resend them to neutral planet in Prototype
    - people can use the stargate in transphase (Chrystal skull story is connected to Sodan technology)

    So I am definately a fan of such gate related ideas and discoveries. I wish they could use my own as well. As you can see I am still full of ideas, maybe I should work on my own scifi world.
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    Just a few more random idea:

    1. I always wanted to see a giant catterpillar to go through the stargate. Don't ask it why, but it would look cool as a ship sized animal would sneak through the gate.

    2. I was thinking on the "Genesis" project.
    - it could be made in a time dilation field, where the inner evolution is accelerated, but there would be some malfunctions (like visitors would not be allowed to enter such worlds through the stargate as a safety protocoll would prevent it ; or the visitors could infect the ecosystem with a simply infection, but even bacterials could grow into a cat sized living things - so the whole system would be infected with amoebae type "aliens" rapidly) - I know similar ideas were used in Star Trek 2 and even in the Stargate (like in Brief Candle or Quest)
    - the rapid aging could be reused for the Phoenixes - they would very quickly reborn, then burn then reborn then burn again - the team would later discover that they changed the time field to haste their own evolution / biological ugprade
    - or one of the Great Alliance races could send "orbs" through a space gate what would be growned artificially into a planet. The Ori was capable of collapsing planets with energy fields, so what if the Ancients could create a planet and put into place around a sun
    - even Asgard could prevent / guard smaller races with time dilation field
    - our new races could be in such prisons
    - earlier I brainstormed about such technology what could move or transport a planet through the stargate, this idea could work maybe in Pegasus galaxy where are more space gates (or if the gate system is upgraded in MW) - even a new alien race could move around its home planet through the network (like Travelers just not with ships rather with a planet)

    3. I was still thinking on this bird headed aliens, then our heroes would have a conversation:
    - Take of your Jaffa Guard Mask, now! It is an order! - then he tries to pull it off by himself.
    - Ehh, sir. That is not a mask.
    Or something similar. Imagine this awkward first contact situation.

    4. Or they could introduce such smaller races which are not hostile and they don't want to ruin over other planets, but if they use the gate system their own biology would infect other human civilizations as a side-effect. Like releasing toxic spores into the atmosphere or have a radiation emission.

    5. It would be cool to see such an alien race which can live in very high temperature environments. Later they could cool down a planet atmosphere in time as they can swallow the sun energy. So these aliens were put on such planets which needed terraformation and they "worked" for the Ancients. But since their masters are gone and they are not willing to guide them anymore (means to offer new terraformable planets), then they could be potentially harmful for human civilizations. Maybe they could even blackmail civilizations to change or to poison their athmosphere if they don't accept their demands.
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    I have just entertained myself with a few more ideas while I had a busy day at my workplace.

    1. The malp goes to a desert world. Nothing interesting or exciting. Then it turns around they will notice that there are spikes installed on the stargate. The team goes there to investigate this unique modified stargate, then later it would be revealed it is protecting the stargate being eaten by giant snake or worm type aliens. I know it sounds a bit like Dune, but it would be to funny to see in an episode intro. Then the heroes would escape back, while a big earthworm starts to follow them through the gate. Since it is so big it won't materialize on the other side, so they can see it through the malp's video that it is nonstoply sneaking in. Since it was not swallowed completly, so they could close the Iris / energy shield. The whole situation would be just a training for the cadets to understand the physics of wormhole, then it would be revealed that this dangerous planet was just a training place for them.

    2. Next ide is rather about a new gate type or gatework. So I imagined a little mini Stonehenge type of clearing. Heroes could arrive with ship or ring transport there. The rings drops them in the middle of the circle building. There are nine coloumns there, which have got different 4 glyphs on them while the strange triangle parts what are located underground are the chevrons! So the 9 coloums are technically 9 equal pieces of a stargate which stands out of the ground like claws or skeleton pieces or giant fingers. They would like spikey vertabras, maybe I should call it as a "bone gate" . Then this new type of stargate portal could be activated then the 9 pieces could dig themselves out or tilted then attached together like transforming into a ring standing horizontally or vertically.

    I believe it would look cool and the space gate version of this gate could be enlarged if the 9 symmetrical piece keeps a distance from each other with an energy field or whatever. I will try to draw it this idea, because maybe you can't follow me.

    3. I was also wondering what happens if somebody enters the wormhole from behind? So they dial in, wormhole is established and we know it is transparent from behind, but then what happens if somebody runs through the gate while someone else has just arrived? Will it cause a problem? Will they merge? etc.

    The main reason I am interested, because I imagined a horizontally placed stargate where the kawoosh goes up to the ceiling. So when the traveller would fall back to the event horizont, a coloumn will push him up from behind the stargate through the horizont which would feel the organic traveler. This idea would look cool in a giant cave, where the arrived traveler is standing helplessly on a coloumn while the gate is somewhere down. But this idea wouldn't work, because what would happen if more traveler arrives? They couldn't be materialized in the middle of the coloumn.

    So I was thinking on the opposite. There would be an execution scene, but instead of just pushing them in front of the kawoosh, what if they would stand on a coloumn, while the activated gate just dropped from the ceiling and while it falls down the victim would be forced into the wormhole.

    4. I was thinking on the Phoenix idea. There is an Asgard (and Ancient) experiment on a planet, where they wanted to achieve an increased evolution rate that they locked up a freshly created, uninhabited planet in a time dilation field. That would be a normal protocoll for creating life on a planet (with Dakara ray or Eden type of domes) and let the nature conquest the surface and change atmosphere within a few decades or centuries as it would be equal to thousand or millions of years outside. So the time would slow there, while the outside world wouldn't notice it. Maybe the Phoenix race was using the stargate system, when they accidentally dialed in to this forbidden planet. Or they could be part of the original ecosystem. But anyway they evolved from a bird like creature, who couldn't leave the planet as the stargate was locked and waited for the future Asgard colonists and obviously it was too complicated for them to understand how the DHD works. When the Asgard returned long time later, they realized a new intelligent life has been developed there in spite of the local sun's strong radiation, so they stopped the time dilation field as they were worried that the Phoenixes will gain more and more technological, biological and spiritual power and later they can overthrow them if they could escape from this planet. How to say... What would happen if they could overthrow their masters. While the time field stopped the Phoenix biology hasn't. The Phoenix evolution was adapted to the slow time field, but it would be really accelarated in real time without the artificial block. So that could be an explanation while their life cycle has really speeded up. The Asgard worried that maybe they should let them die out quickly as they can be a potential danger to the universe. A group of Ancients and the Nox were on other opinion as they felt responsible for their past actions to guide the younger races. They offered them teaching (like near-Ascension state) to save this dying, quickly aging race, because even genetic modifications couldn't help them so quickly. And that was the biggest mistake of the older races what they could have done after the time field. The Phoenixes were corrupted by the Ori (it would be revealed later they have sent their birds to this planet long time ago to undermind the Alliance) or they would just turn evil for some other reasons, so the Ancients decided to stop the process, but it was too late. The Phoenixes gained lots of knowledge about the universe, sp the Ancients decided they should never leave their home planet. This single accelarated evolution shocked the other intelligent races who wanted to study them, so a few were taken by ships. Some of them have escaped and returned through the stargate, then the Phoenixes started to visit other worlds as they have discovered a whole galaxy around them. Their first contats caused disasters as they can be radioactive at the flaming stage. Later the Ancients wanted to help or to stop them and they offered a truce, but the Phoenixes already started to ascend, but then they were sent back to their normal form as they were hostile on the ascended level too to the Ancients. But once they learned the ascension it became part of their nature like an addiction. So the burning-reborn cycle started in their physiology and it happened more and more rapidly. The Great Alliance couldn't find out any other solution as they turned back the time dilation field, but now intead of slowing them down (as this step would cause even more harm in long term as they would have an evolution advance against the outside world), it would accelarate time on this particular planet. They hoped that if they lock up the Phoenixes in their distant home planet then they can not harm any other races in the gate system, while their radically decreased biological lifetime would stop their evolution as they would ascend and return to their normal form day by day now. That is somehow their story starts, when our heroes contact them. The Ancients and the Asgard and the Ori are gone, while the Phoenixes planned their own revenge against their masters...

    As I was imagining the Phoenix as a race, I could see a cyberpunk bird-human type look in front me. I don't know why. Like a half melted clock cogs with a mix of owl look. Or they could be even "replicator birds" which are burning at night then they reform themselves in the morning from the ashes. This could be explained on some many ways. Maybe they could be a potential treat in the Asgard galaxy and they would fight with or against the Vanir now etc.

    They could melt metals, absorb radioactivity. So in spite of their harmful nature, they are intelligent and even if it is really hard to communicate with them or to convince them about almost anything, they could be an ally/enemy to clear the skies of infected planets or establish colonies on such unhabitable worlds which are very close to the suns. So they could definately start to build their own little galactic empire and they would move a few stargate to place them on other planets which are closer to the suns. That could cause some interesting conflicts. Or if we imagine them as true neutral race, maybe they could even heal other races from radioactivity or any light related injury etc. So maybe they won't be as bad as it seems, just simply they can not stay too long in our atmosphere as it fuels their burning cycle and it makes it toxic to other races, so they have to return to their own warmer planets. Or the heroes could find out how to forge them such protective suits / gate ships what would allow them to visit other worlds etc.

    But we know what happens when fire and water meets. So probably they would have a clash with the underwater alien race.

    5. Transfering planets. I was wondering how cool it would be if a KINOs would be a container of a miniature moon / planet, so technically they were carrying potential liveable planets in their pockets which could have be increased to the right size with their technology.

    6. Or if we don't want to play Ant-Man with planets, then I suggested to be able to transport planet(s) through space gates. It would be nice to find a race which hides their homeplanet from hostile races this way. Like a new version of Travelers race.

    7. Then I was thinking on a hidden world. The heroes would discover that there is a gap in the gate system. The Ancients were intelligent folks, they would never let anyone die because of the gate system. So every time someone can not materialize on the other side, then the gate memory would send the traveler to a "storage world". Iris is an exemption because that is a mechanical barrier, so it would work only by Ancient energy shields, So we could see a few old characters or ships or whatever there. Imagine that Wraith darts, Genii soldiers would show up there in that planet in the Pegasus galaxy etc.

    8. Or they could imagine this hidden subroutine that they are simply travelling through the gate, but they would lose some items on the other side whent they are materialized. So they would investigate some gate filters for anorganic materials, but they would shortly discover that some thieves robbed them through the journey in that 0,3 sec (!!!).

    9. I also would like to see a scenario, when the gate is activated on that way that the gate is nonstoply spinning around a vertical axis. So it would be challenging to enter the gate once it is activated. We could explain it why they needed this on that planet. Maybe it is a "gate weapon", so an incoming beam could spread in every direction or whatever. Or a local race is nonstoply spinning around itself, so the Ancient adapted the stargate to their physiology. (But then what would they do on other planets?).

    Okay, that was all for today. Some ideas shows up in mind while I am sleeping. SG is definately my favorite scifi world.
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    I was thinking that the Earth and SGC could be written off for a few years, if a hostile race attacks them because of the Wormhole Drive (which activated some galaxies wide alarm to interfere), that Earth's only hope is Atlantis. They activate the cloaking sield and they would extend it to the whole Earth. Or they could move it to transphase (like it happened in a different timeline) with the help of Atlantis. But the enemy would find the second Atlantis gate from the exploded Hive ship, so they would believe Atlantis has flown back to the Pegasus galaxy, so they would temporarily leave Earth and our solar system to hunt down the city there. While in reality Atlantis would be still on Earth just hided.

    Then the only communication in MW would be still the old MW gate, but it would moved to the new Moon Base what would be an Ancient outpost / shipyard / half finished gate building ship etc. Or it could be even a long forgotten Furling base. The gate would transported from the old SGC (until refurbishment) to there and they could visit the place with ring transports / Asgard transports / Furling transport (like in Lost Paradise) from Earth.

    Since the two different stargates are separated from distance and one of them is in transphase, then both could work: MW gate on Earth and Pegasus gate on Atlantis (near San Francisco). I believe this one would be a starting believable scenario, if we want to keep Earth and Atlantis in the game then later Atlantis could leave Earth and fly back if the story goes back there. If the gate bridge would be rebuilt then we could have a new connection to the Pegasus galaxy again or even Atlantis could dial the Halfway Station (with some technological loops as they are in other phase).
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    Plenty enough ideas, aliens and myths in here now for several new SG shows! Perhaps not set on the Milky Way, tho. P-}

    It isn't unthinkable that the Baal clones share data and experiences via coded transmissions or emailed diaries or FaceBook. It is also very possible that the original Baal uses his own clones as advisors and co-strategists. It would help explain his high IQ.

    The ATA genes are supposed to be a convenient way to (un)lock gadgets, not an impregnable security system. And yes, feels like they are already quite widespread among humans, and will only spread more, thus feeding the idea of humans as "heirs" of the Ancients.

    I've toyed with the idea of big animals thru the Gate, too. Or passenger trains, for that matter. But Naquadah-eating giant monsters would be sooooo cool!

    Regardless of its exact workings, the Stone-Gate-Henge needs to exist! Perhaps that's how the Nox (or the Furlings) hide their private networks?

    "The wrong side of the wormhole" has been explored already, IIRC. Also, execution-by-kawoosh.

    The Phoenix could simply be a star-dwelling alien lifeform?

    Your "storage world" would be a nifty SG version of Bermuda Triangle, I reckon. But the Gates already function to enable all kinds of travels, and put all kinds of civilizations into close contact. Not sure what the "Bermuda Triangle" could add to the mix.

    The "Spinning Gate" could be a special test or an execution method. Pass = reward. Fail = death.

    The "Missing Earth" scenario has a lot of potential, indeed!

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    Still nobody else is here to appriciate the ideas. Maybe I should have a word with Brad Wright.

    Okay, I haven't calculated it in that the gate is made of naqadah, so my giant animals wouldn't be able to digest it. Maybe that would be a lesson for the students too. But who knows... There are so many races in the galaxy, what if something could digest the precious stargates...

    I was still thinking.... What if a hostile alien race comes to the Milky Way as the Wormhole Drive was activated. They warned the Ancients long time ago to never ever dare to enter their galaxy with any highly advance ships which are capable of jumping such distances. Later we could find a logical reason why they feel frightened about it. Anyway they they would "curse" the galaxy with the massive FTL block, so while they would spare the local people and races they would hold back their technological development. They could use dark matter energy or whatever, so they would force the local races to the gate system, so they would never be able to cross their ways. (They could be the race from "Grace" and the owner could be the people of Quatzelquatl. Since the Goa'uld has gone, maybe their motives have changed too....)

    Or if we want to make a dramatic scenario, then they would be able to detect all possible technology in the galaxy which would be capable of Wormhole Drive jump so they would fly to find and probably destroy the Nox city ship instead of Atlantis. Maybe that is the reason why they would leave the Earth atmosphere after a blockade. The Nox would lure them away as they go to an other galaxy with the help of the ascended Ancients, while Atlantis must fly away from Earth back to the Pegasus galaxy. The new SGC would try to prepare for the returning invasion so they must forge new alliances in the galaxy. The only problem is if the anti-FTL galaxy-wide technology is activated then Atlantis could also just slowly drift back to the Pegasus galaxy...

    Or it would be nice to see Earth as the leader of the Asgard Protected Planets as they are the heir of the Asgard legacy. Soon they would discover that the 26 planets have been attacked by the Lucian Alliance and other ravanger races for Asgard technology, so the enemies of the SGC would discover the beaming technology too. And I am pretty sure the Vanir would have a different opinion who is the real heir of the Asgard....

    Some hostile race would capture the supergate as well. Maybe they would be able to reproduce it or force the people in the Ori galaxy to build more. That would be an essential step in an FTL-less galaxy. So they will quickly clash with the SGC who also wants to multiply the same technology.

    Other races would fight for a gate seeding ship. The Wormhole Drive would also activate a recall beacon that the Ancients returns to Avalon, so a stranded gate seeding ship which was stopped by the new hostile bad guys would fly back to the galaxy, but then everybody would fight for it to build more stargate etc. Or it could be crashed on a planet and that could be a new starting base for adventures.

    The writers should still explain what happened with the Destiny type stargates in MW and Pegasus. So if the Ancients has planeted those at first, it would be nice to hear some stories how they upgraded it. Maybe the crashed Ancient seeing ship would be a key to save Destiny (see my other topic) or they could even dial in to an other galaxy, where a completly new gate system would wait for the heroes. And that is how the change sizing of starggate technology would be discovered and would be spread in MW too. There are so many options to do it right.

    Or the hostile race which visit Earth could have been in the a different dimension for the whole time. That is the reason I feel the Giants from Chrystal Skulls would be a good starting point as it would be discovered they could have been part of the Great Four Race Alliance, but they decided to say NO. And later they would revealed what happened in the past and how it effect to current situation etc.

    The spinning stargate.. Well it could be the synchronization of the rotation of the planet when they teleport it through the wormhole. Once it is activated it would start to spin around quicker and quicker etc, but then it would slow down and "change back" to a normal stargate after the transportion. Or the stargates could turn to the sun like a sunflower. Okay, I am just kidding.


    edit 2.: I have written down a little synopsis of my spinoff idea :
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    While the Earth (and its orbit) is in transphase, maybe they would be able to discover with satellites that the Nazca lines have a hidden message. Like a big giant notebook what can be read only in such condition. And this new information could lead to the discovery of transphase gates or to the Giant Aliens. Or they could be even a ruler race in an other galaxy with a new stargate network... Or they could be the aliens who maintain the blockade. The main reason it would be cool to involve them as they could explain that they have used the Crystal skull technology to bring some Earth based people to different planets in Milky Way or in their home galaxy. Since they are an expert of transphase technology, we could connect to story to the Nox, the Rhee'tou, the Sodan, the transphase animals in season 6 and even some Goa'uld experiments (see Hathor, Nirrti and the Ashraks). So even this step would shake up sligthly the Milky Way, the new gate protocolls would be only extra. Or those steps could be kept for an other spinoff.

    Or the Earth could be moved in a different alternate reality under the "blockade" and when they return 10 years later they would notice that everything has changed. But I believe the transphase dialing would be more fun. Maybe the colour change of the chevrons would indicate if they are are dialing normal or transphase gates etc.


    edit. Spinning stargate : it could be a simple explanation. It is a defense mechanism what could prevent that gateships would be able to leave the wormhole. So they would build in a rotating mechanism to spin the stargate around a vertical axis if it is activated like a modern replacement of Iris or energy shields. So only those ones could go there who knows how to turn it off, or if you have the Atoneik ribbon device (from 4x03 Upgrades) or if we would really introduce beaming through the stargate with Asgard tech or Goa'uld rings. Not to mention that we have our Guardian as an ally, who could help in such problematic gate travelling.

    Obviously the Guardian is the DHD living AI character, who closed the stargate and the Academy. I was thinking that there would be so many way to introduce him. Maybe he would pretend to be a human at first, then an Ancient hologram in the beginning, but when the heroes would earn his trust he would guide and educate them like he did in the past. Basically he could play a base commander type character, but since he is an alien entity they wouldn't know his true motives. He would be very careful to not reveal his true form, so he could turn into any race (who touched the DHD as the main chrystal is his "lamp"). Or later they could find out that he is evil and he or his feared enemies sent the alien ships to keep Earth under the blockade. It would be a nice twist at the end of the season that maybe he is not friendly at all and a main character would turn into the main villain for the new show. Anyway the writers would have so much options to introduce his race, his character, his motives and his skills. And the best part is that he could be still played by a human actor, so budget wise this AI character could work in the SG mythology.

    The long forgotten and abadonned Academy could be the starting point of that particular viral infection what decimated the Ancients. Maybe that is the reason he feels guilty and locked himself and his stargate from the network. Maybe everybody was wiped out while he stayed alive. Or later Merlin came there to establish the Alliance of the Round Table against the Goa'uld, but then the Academy was betrayed again. So there would be lots of option to reveal some flashback types episodes or to hear more about the history of the Ancients and the galaxy.
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    I see the thread's views keep climbing. People read it, even if they don't contribute ideas. Not surprising, given the amount/quality of the ones already posted. A shining example is having the Wormhole Drive trigger alien unease/attack. I can see the dominoes falling! Don't miss the pilot/premiere: "Wormhole Whack-a-mole"! ^_^

    Or a nasty indestructible slime mold encroaching onto and slowly eating away the precious precious Rings, spreading every time a Gate is used! It could even be a second attack vector from the same pissed-off aliens.

    Asgard heirs unite... to fight each other! Why hasn't it happened already? Who'll win? Curious minds want to know! P-}

    Supergates could become backdoors for inter-galactic invasion as easily as regular Gates can for inter-stellar invaders. Or even inter-dimensional ones. Really, we should have seen that one (in)coming! >B^)>

    Building new Gates? Improved Ring designs? Sign me up for that one, too. Could it (at long last) entice some Ancients to come back to our level of existence? Maybe lend a hand? Oh, the mayhem! The awesomeness!

    I'd keep the Spinning Stargate as simple as possible. Cool as the concept is, I'm not sure the wormholes would allow them to actually spin that much, anyway. That said, someone could try to steal a planet's entire atmosphere thru a floating active Stargate that spins faster and faster, presumably to better vacuum the gases. It would be a serious mischief, as well as an homage to "2010: Odyssey 2".

    Maybe the Nazca lines on Earth aren't complex enough, but if something similar and more advanced was found on another planet... endless possibilities!

    With a long enough budget we could move the stars!!!

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    Oh thank you for the kind words. I am just a fan and earlier I was afraid to share my ideas because of the language barrier. But I try to express myself, so everyone can enjoy the ideas. in spite of my grammatical mistakes. I love this scifi world, but probably you noticed it. I also have got lots of alien race ideas what I tried to develop for my own scifi world, but I feel I am not enough talented to sit down and to write that book. Maybe one day.

    Anyway, here are a few more random ideas:

    1. How could MW races build stargates or supergates?

    - stealing Tollan tech : nobody said that somebody was search the ruins of Tollana after the destruction of this race
    - finding a Destiny-type gate on a locked planet : if that gate system was the original, maybe the Ancient haven't collected back all of them as the "normal" MW gates gained priority anyway
    - the 10-15 Priors are still there : so even if the Ori and Adria have gone, they are still advanced humans, so maybe some of them wants to gain power. Or if a Goa'uld make one of them to be a host then they could gain some technology
    - simply study the supergates : but as I said before, I would like to introduce 5 different sized stargate (Orlin, MW, extended MW (aka Transformers gate), Beachhead, supergate), so they would let through different sized people(Orlin = people, MW - jumpers and new jumper types, extended MW : tel'tacs and alkesh, Beachhead : Ha'taks and X304s and supergate : Ori ships)
    - maybe the Wormhole Drive could make a recall signal for a gate seeding ship, what would fly back from an other galaxy (it could have a new gate network type on the board for a 4th spinoff) or it could produce new type of stargates (likes the extended MW or any new upgraded MW gates)
    - or they would find a DHD factory - maybe there would be time to introduce some new DHD functions (like gate-DHD bubble shield, normal energy shield on gate, selecting transphase/normal dialing, tour guide AI, hologram dialing list with gate addresses, last visitors could be played back as holograms, gate could be levitated to the planet's orbit or called back to the DHD)
    - steal Asgard tech : protected planets are not protected at the moment, so I am sure a few worlds would pay the Lucian Alliance well for a replica of Thor's Hammer

    I was also thinking on your short distance dialing. What if somebody finds a Destiny-gate then they try integrate it to the MW system, so the whole dialing protocolls would be stopped for a while. Like a different version of Avengers. This idea would be perfect for 1-2 episodes, but later it would be annoying that we want to go from A to B, but then we have to use a few more gates in the middle. I believe this step would slow down the action /discovery part of a new SG show. Or it could only work if some civilizations would move some particular stargates from the neighbourhood, so they could be dialed in from just one particular gate. Then the enemies of that "clever" civilization would destroy them, so the moral sayings would be to NOT temper the the local gate system or if you do, don't trust yourself just on one stargate connection....

    2. Nacza lines = this idea showed up in my mind that what if those lines something only if the planet is in transphase position like an ultraviolet drawing or extended marks on the surface of Earth : maybe they directly wanted to send a message for the Giant Aliens or the blockade race who visited Earth before etc. Or they could introduce a secret alien base on Earth from mythological legends which was there for the whole time, just in transphase.

    3. Spinning stargate : I believe the idea could still work as one of the group would use this method to "shield" their gate. Just I imagined that if they spin, then you can not really put stairs there, so everybody would step out into a hole... so maybe a robotic mechanism would provide steps which also spins the gate

    4. I am not so sure about the athmosphere stealing. As far as I remember they established it in the shows that water or gases could express pressure on wormhole, but it won't directly flood the other side (like in the Atlantis 5x06 The shrine). That is the reason I was a bit worried about my underwater race idea as how could their seawater go thrugh the gate? But it is a scifi, so maybe the rewrite some protocolls. Because I was thinking what if they flooded the Ancient outpost in Antartica? Or some alien stuffs would melt from the decreasing glaciers there or on North Pole...

    Or when I talked about the "floating forest" idea... It would look cool from space as this new microorganism would just rapidly spread on cloud level and then slowly covers the sunshine below what would lead to ecological catasthrophy. Like the Creep from StarCraft just in atmosphere. What could the ground based civilization do who hasn't got cannons or space ships? The owner of these floating forest could be a new major player in the Milky Way.

    5. I would like to definately to see what happened in the Milky Way :
    - the Tok'Ra : I am pretty sure that soon it or later a Jaffa group wouldn't be able to forgive them that they are also Goa'uld, so they would send a symbiote poison to their planet. Plot twist.... it was not the Jaffas to commit this massacre, but the Aschens who wanted to start a conflict between them.
    - the Jaffa : according to the Stargate:Worlds, they would have fallen into two groups : Free Jaffa and Loyal Jaffa. And I love this idea. Imagine that you can live for 130-150 years, heal from your wounds. So whatever the tretonin offers, some Jaffas would never accept it as their normal life would be only 70-80 years after the change. So if we think logically, I doubt that they would give up to carry the larvas, so maybe they would turn to the Goa'ulds even if they wouldn't be worshipped anymore.
    - Ori : as I said the MW should deal with the afterlife of the Priors. Maybe not all of them have gone to the Ori galaxy. They are advanced humans, but maybe they can be also easily corrupted. Anyway their stuffs would be also great for treasure and technology hunters
    - Lucian Alliance : I believe this group is a failure from the writers. I didn't like them too much. They could explain more about the attack against Destiny and the terror attack in Washington. Or they should be quickly disbanded or weakened.
    - Hebridans : if they can organize space races, then I am sure they have a pretty fleet. They were quickly mentioned as the follower of the Ori in season 9, but we don't know anything else about them. I am sure that the space nazi Aschen wouldn't be happy to see some reptilan, humans and hybrids to live together in peace
    - Goa'uld : well.... maybe a new dynasyty should try to rise again. Maybe a new Queen and her childrens.
    - Ancients : I am not a big fan of this ascended stroyline. They are way too strong as they are gods technically and then our heroes could always expect their interfere when the galaxy turns into chaos. So I believe they should leave galaxy with some creative ideas. Who knows? Somebody brings back the Sangraal or the Wormhole drive can cause some breaks on that level of existence, so an even higher race would come for a revenge. But then it would be a rip-off from Babylon 5. So it would be more interesting to find out what have they done in the past that not everybody was overly happy that the first gate system was built.
    - Asgard: as I wrote before, we have to deal with their legacy while the Vanirs would also have some plans. There would be so many options to tell stories what are they doing in the Ida galaxy then why do come to the Milky Way. And what would Earth do if they would steal informations from their Asgard Core?

    6. The Academy name is just a temporary name. I wanted to introduce such a location in the Milky Way, what could be a potential new base for a new show. But then we have to explain why Earth is not available, what happened with Atlantis. Why was this place not discovered before? Why is it interesting or unique in the MW system? Has it got its own secret and interesting past and technologies? Because I try to brainstorm such ideas what could lead to more story ideas or elements.

    So I was thinking ...
    - what if the Academy was the starting point of the illness what almost killed all the Ancients?
    - what if the Academy's gate is capable of dialing transphase gates / worlds?
    - what if the Academ's DHD is unique as I wanted to introduce the guardian as the space jinn which lives in the DHD, so maybe He would be the upgrade why the local DHD or/and the gate would be unique
    - what if the planet was moved from an other galaxy to the Milky way through the stargate? Maybe they would discover it just later
    - plot twist idea what if the Guardian has sent the ships to keep Earth under blockade, so he wanted to meet with them (but then we have to leave out the Nox idea, but they should be involved later because of their cityship and transphase skills) - so his intentions are not necessarily good or evil, but maybe he wants to achieve something through the heroes so that is the reason he needed "workers" to make some quests in the Milky way (maybe he can't or won't leave the Academy planet as it would reveal he or his planet is from an other galaxy)
    - but if we don't want to make him a bad guy, later they could still find out much more about his race and what happened in the past with them, if there are more in MW or any other galaxy etc.
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    Heh, it's a big galaxy full of english-speaking people!

    Do sit down and write. That should improve your skills.

    One trouble I see with advanced tech is that it tends to eclipse character and plot. It's a fine line between awesome and dull to watch (even if it's a joy to write!). And there's a lot of very advanced tech already in SG's Milky Way. That said, it can work beautifully either as MacGuffin or as trigger for more interesting things. For these purposes I think your random ideas are a goldmine, either as-is, or simplified (as in Nazca-transphase vs Nazca-offworld).

    It's the "annoying" aspect of short-range Gating that brings the newness: "flyover" worlds would need to be explored, maybe secured. Places once within easy reach would become adventurous to go to. Stealing or destroying Rings would have far greater consequences. Trade and war would be disrupted. The Lucian Alliance could become more dangerous... At the same time, trips where all intermediate stops are easy would still be easy overall, so that part of the "SG vibe" needn't be lost. P-}

    As for stealing a significant portion of a planet's air thru the Gate, I'd use some kind of vacuum pump. P-}

    Floating Forest: cool. Floating Forest disseminating mind-altering "enslaver" spores: Creepy! Until someone comes along with a big Archimedes' Mirror...

    Perhaps your "Academy" could be the old and forgotten site of an Ancient Lab for unknown but awesome yet extremely dangerous experiments/tech. Its associated "Knowledge Repository" and "Side Library" (with thousands of wisdom-laden tablets) and dozens of buried tunnels (with even more tablets), have been attracting scientists, scholars, students, pilgrims, and even monks, from many planets, for generations. Hence the moniker "Academy". There could be many different groups with conflicting interests, strange phenomena, secretive Djinn lifeforms, a subspace/transphase beacon which distorts Gate travel, an ultimate purpose for the entire planet... Perhaps the Ancients didn't build it, only found it, and were studying its mysteries without ever finding out all its secrets? It'll be a miracle if the Milky Way survives unscathed!

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    I have been on holiday for two weeks in Hungary.

    The only reason I am not a big fan of "flyover worlds" as they can update the gate protocoll any time, so they could travel within the the syncronization memory of the network. This is the way how the intergalactic bridge worked as the closely placed stargates called each other without active wormhole, so material could have travelled through 20-25 gates until the Midway Station. So if the MW would turn into a short-ranged network, then how could you prevent that we need flyover worlds at all? We can simply dial a planet and the other stargates could transfer the travellers in the gate memory. Maybe this situation could be caused by the Universe-gate type dialing protocoll. Imagine that someone finds an abadonned U-gate then the dialing system would infect the whole MW gatework. Then Earth would be in advance as they could have collected informations from the Destiny or some scientist can travel on board (via the communication stones) to study the old gate network what caused the chaos in the Milky Way.

    I always wanted to see a stargate in a middle of swamp. Like a mini Dagobah system type world where as soon as you walk down the steps from the gate there would be 1 meter high muddy water etc. And maybe something intelligent lives in the swamp...

    It would be also nice to see a hostile advanced race which gather informations from different realities as they would ally with themselves.... So similar to the Ripple Effect, what if a race decide to visit itself to collect informations about as many possible realities as they can (like tactical moves, weapons, secrets, locations, enemies etc.). That would significantly boost a fresh new galaxy wide threat.

    I would like to see a "mushroom world". There are so many species of mushrooms, so what if we have got some worlds (or a new gate network) where they are the ruling races. They are neither plants nor animals, so they could be a new eco threat. And what if they could use mind-controlling spores?

    I always wanted to make an "educational scifi". Fans can learn almost every informations, so what if they would be feeded by real life informations? For example they could learn the different fungi species, or the different marble (for a stone based golem type race) or chrystal types (geology for beginners etc.). Or if these infos would not be directly involved in the episodes then a connected website would have such extra informations, so while we could have adventure on the tv screen there would be readable educational things.


    Or Earth could be written out that way that an alien entity would simply transfer the whole planet to a new galaxy through the stargate. Earlier I was thinking on "moveable" planets through the spacegates so what if Earth would be borrowed / stolen / hijacked into a new galaxy while nobody would know what happened with the Tauri. I know this idea is a bit ambitious, but probably it wouldn't work if they still want to maintain the secret of the stargate system. So we can imagine that the transporting aliens are clever enough to find a similar sized Sun , but what would happen with Moon and the other planets? Or what if somebody would notice the different star constellations? Or shall they move the whole solar system? I believe this idea could work for a two-parter or a season finale. At first they would just move a smaller ship or any other building what has got a stargate inside then they would update the technology so they would extend it to complete planets etc. So the planet Earth (and the Moon) would move into a new galaxy for a few episode, but then they would manage to return it to the original place in MW.

    The only reason I was just playing with this idea, because we have seen "traditional" dialing in SG-1, jumpers in Atlantis, kinos and small-range dialing in Universe, so what if we could see the most advanced version when not the material would travel inside the gate rather the gate would transfer what is outside or where it is located. Or even hostile, bigger spaceship could "teleport" into our galaxy this way. They would dial a space gate, the ship shows up around it then it flies away with an opened hanger door type solution, so the next ship could be materialized around the stargate etc. It could be even explained as an advanced Asgard beaming technology what they have used in their own galaxy etc.

    We could originate the different gate related technolgies from other galaxies or stargate networks :
    - transphase gates : hidden in Milky Way
    - transformers gates (size changing stargates) : undiscovered stargate network 1
    - housekeeping gates (building / ships / planets moving through stargates) : undiscovered stargate network 2
    - upgraded gates (gate shields, DHD shields, DHD tour guide etc.) : undiscovered stargate network 3
    - master gates (local stargate networks, multigates on the same planet etc.) : undiscovered stargate network 4
    But they would all have an effect in the Milky Way as allies and hostile races would try to steal and use these new technologies. Then our heroes would travel to these new galaxies to find the original inventors / resource etc. I believe these ideas would be enough for 2-3-4 stargate spinoffs.
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    I was distracted by work.

    I like the "relay" Gates idea, but much will depend on the Address database (which I guess few other than SGC have). It's been shown to have data on travel between Earth and most everywhere else, and back. But does it have the info/addresses to Gate from somewhere to somewhere else *directly*, without a trip to Earth? What if the trip needs several intermediate Gates? Does that detailed info exist? In other words, what kind of map does SGC (or anyone) have of the MW Gate Network? If the map doesn't exist, it will need to be (painstakingly) built, before even thinking of reprogramming faraway Gates.

    Much will also depend on the exact cause of long-range failure. It might involve the inter-Gate comms themselves, and render "memory transfers" impossible, or at least risky. If they're still viable, they'll depend on each and every intermediate Gate being ready to use. Entomb, steal, or destroy just one, or hack it into rejecting SGC's hacking, and there'll be trouble. What if several "traveler streams" attempt to use the same "relay" Gate at the same time? Traffic jams could become the biggest obstacle there. I cannot remember how the radio IDs of incoming travelers were handled at the Pegasus-MW intergalactic bridge, but it needs to be robust with the "memory transfer" system too.

    Then, if a SG team signals to come home, but fails to show up after "transferring" thru enemy-controlled territory, where does the search start? How will the searchers deal with enemy-controlled Gates?

    I love the swamped Gate scenario. It isn't far from my "piranha pool" concept. P-}

    Indeed Ripple Effect was awesome. More, please! Starting with a ruthless unfriendly alt-SGC bent on harnessing other realities for their (just) cause. The spinoff could be titled "Stargate: For teh win", and in the pilot episode "Together we stand" alt-SG1 succesfully infiltrates and commandeers 'our' SGC, remaining in power for at least half the 1st season.

    Would the "mushroom world" be a single brain? Fascinating, at any rate!

    Didn't already happen somewhere that something "vanished" and was believed lost, but was just cloaked from view? The same could be done to Earth. With the Gate "coincidentally" disabled it would be hard to know the difference.

    Big ships using Asgard-type beams to de- and re-materialize and thus become Gate-able? I wrote something like that, too.

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    I don't know how many races or planets have got a gate map. Even the Goa'uld didn't know all the planets as O'Neill added the list of Ancients ruled worlds in season 2, but they were unknown by the Goa'uld. I am sure the Asgard has also not visited every planets where we can find a gate. Not to mention when somebody moved the gates to unknown places...

    Because I was wondering if there would be a "gate sytem hub" type world somewhere in the galaxy. Imagine a location where is an Ancient base located where they could follow all the active wormholes in the galaxy, something similar what we could see in Continuum. It would be like a gate network police station, but the place would follow in "real time" the position of all stargates in the galaxy (even the cloaked or transphase ones or drifting ones) as the gates would communicate with the hub (like a galaxy wide GPS reader). So this hub would be extremely important to everyone as they could follow the gates, the active wormholes, the supergates etc. Maybe they could be the key to recreate or reestablush the coordinate system for the gate network after the FTL / gate memory loss. The hub could be reached via a 9 chevron address, because it would be logical that the Ancients could return back to this hub any time. And who knows? Maybe there would be some robots or "repairing units" what a newly discovered protocoll would send to different worlds (like repairing the DHD or the gate or eliminate the local threat etc.). So many stories could be introduced as our new team would replace the role of this squad and they would help different worlds. I believe they wanted to introduce a similar world in Stargate : Worlds. And there was a hub in one of the SG comics too.

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    Earlier I also had an idea that I always missed that the Goa'uld hasn't had such an option on their ribbon device what could help them to dial. It is not easy to memorize 7 symbols, so what if they would just stand next to DHD and then a hologram type projection would show all the possible gate addresses. Or even the local DHDs could have such advanced option like a visual telephone book or something. Maybe this upgrade could be also "borrowed" from an other network. Or if the Destiny protocoll would infect the MW gate system, then these address diaries would help to choose the gates nearby. That could be also a safety feature what was not activated before in the MW galaxy.

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    I believe Atlantis has also sent GDO radio waves to open the energy shield on Atlantis. But that is also interesting, because such frequencies can be copied...
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    Just a few "cold open" scenarios or episode ideas :

    1. The team goes back to the main base with a big splash of water while they are sitting and rowing on a boat. I believe it would look cool. I was always amazed by that scene when the water breaks into the step house in the Titanic movie, so something similar through the stargate would be nice too.
    2. The team would visit a low gravity desert world, where they can make massive jumps type running. They would investigate a shell type alien forest what uses the local winds' power as energy resource. Later they would under fire by a not so friendly predator alien lifeform they must enter with such a high speed that they would make a massive jump on the arriving site as well. Then a security protocoll would be activated and they would stopped in air (like the inertia suppressors for stopping jumpers in Atlantis), so they would just levitate there for a few secs before the system would place them on ground.
    3. The team visits a world where they don't discover in time that it is covered by a transparent jelly or slime type material. The MALP could go away only a few meters from the stairs of the stargate before it is stuck in the material and it is slightly sinking down into the transparent material. The heroes must find a creative way how to reach the DHD without falling into this sticky material (maybe jumping on solid rocks or waiting for second call from the base or shooting some dead trees in the near or freeze the jelly) etc.
    4. The team would visit a world where the local sun looks like a circle or a belt on the sky. They could discover that the planet is rotating with such a high speed that the sun (or the stars at nigh time) could make a fix line on the sky. They would find out that the gravity would work as a centrifugal force so everything growns in a 30-40 angles. (Remember the tilt dance from Michael Jackson). So objects would role around the surface of this tiny planet because of heavy winds. While the stargate is kept safe by the Ancient contruction design, the team would be forced to make a complete circle to reach the stargate again as soon as they leave the safety of the safety zone. They would discover that the world is populated by giant seaweed or alga type of organism. The evolution of plants stopped on this dangerous planet, so it has never reached any higher level. The team must find a way to communicate with them.
    5. It would be nice to see an arrival to the main base where a heavy snowstorm follows them and the set is covered by snow. Then the leader of the base (the space Genie) would moan what a mess they make every time they come back.
    6. Or if they would visit a world in autumn, then a massive amount of leaves should travel with them back to the base. And what if some of them would be leaf insects. Like a swarming "bio replicators" and their "mamma bug" would chase the team back to the gate.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylliidae
    7. Or they would be running home in a mushroom world, where the different sized mushrooms are just exploding and makes a fog type explosions. The gate and the DHD would be covered by other type mushrooms, so it would a challenge to talk to the "local leader" or to escape from this dangerous world. For example some tribe of the mushrooms would keep humans as living batteries, while others would be friendly etc.

    Mushroom world... Imagine the mushroom forests, the mushroom type "animals". Would the ecosystem work as one giant organism? What if the whole planet is filled with hyphae? What if most of the mushrooms are not able to move, but the ruling ones can "rebuild" themselves anywhere through the roots. That would look cool. And then their collective mind would spread to other worlds through the stargate. Or the spores would cause mind-controll and they would use humans and other races like servants. Or they could talk in spore clouds (like in Alice in Wonderland or the mushroom people in an old Drizzt Do'Urden (Forgotten Realms) novel) They could be turned easily into a galaxy wide threat, while the fans could be taught about different type of mushrooms etc.

    8. Or they could visit a world what is ruled by spiders. I believe it would be mega scary to visit such a world when everything is covered by webs. And the only reason they wouldn't kill the team because they would feel a material in their kevlar / uniform / whatever that is was based on spider thread. Or this world could be the base of the Arakhne story in Greek mythology or even drider type aliens could be introduced. The twist could be that everybody would expect they are hostile, but they are friendly. Or at least that how they seem...
    9. Or the team could visit a world what is full of statues of earlier adventurers. Guess what! The Medusas were alien race who were kept as a pet / slave by the Goa'uld! o.O
    10. Or they could visit a world where are no colours. Only black, white and grey. They would discover that this world was equipped by an artifical sun to sustain a local ecosystem what should be investigated. The locals are obssessed with black-white checked objects and animals, so when a teammember shows them how to play chess they will win their trust. Or they could show them some animals (like dalmatas, pandas, killer whale or zebras etc.)
    https://animalsake.com/list-of-anima...re-black-white
    The team wants to relocate them, but they would fallen sick in other environments as the sunlight's exposure would hurt them. The team would find a cure later while they must negotiate with the creators of A.I. Sun.
    11. The team visits a world where they would discover the corpses of their own themselves. It looks like the local stargate has got a malfunction and it creates the same team again and again. But they are not from alternate universes. Later they would discover that the gate's DHD was modified by someone that it will repeat this loop until they don't make a deadly quest on the planet or after their death they will be spawned again. It is a classic scifi loop story.
    12. Or they could build a titlable gate room like in the Inception movie, than they could introduce some bat or sloth aliens who would be able to walk on the ceiling or on the walls. The new gate room could be rotated clockwise, so they could film some cool scenes when the "antigravital organ" of the aliens will affect the team or the base.
    13. The team would visit a world when a cloud type of aliens would live. They would just float in the sky and change their shapes. Then they would ask for help to stop the world from tornados which are caused by a weather changing device from Touchstone.
    14. The team would visit a world where a local technology allows people to teleport on the other side of the planet.
    15. The team would visit a strange ecosystem what lives inside of a planet and it is maintained by an artificial sun. Later they would discover that the "planet" is formed artifically from meteorites and they were merged between two energy shields.
    16. The team would visit a surrealistic weird planet what has got thousand of depleted DHDs around the stargate on it. It looks like somebody somehow copied the DHDs, but he/she was not able to find the right combination to dial any planet. This idea could be used for many stories:
    - malfunction of the seeder's ship what planted wrongly DHDs
    - a replicator tribe copied the DHDs
    - shapeshifter type aliens are hiding themselves as the DHDs
    - Asgard beaming malfunction what multiplied the DHDs
    Anyway it would be nice to find out what happened. Maybe the DHDs can be used only once as lack of the chrystals, so the team must find a working one or to find a "real" one. But my solution would be that they have to push 7 different DHDs (only one symbol on each) in a particular geographical position like a code, so they would sum up the wrong DHDs into a working one to go home.
    17. The team visits a world it looks like living. They would find out that actually the gate was placed on a flying alien what would react really badly to their arrival. The stargate would fall to the surface of the planet. The only way would be to survive this adventure, if they could reach the DHD and make a freefall or a parachute fall into activated wormhole. I believe it would look cool. (The accelaration damping shield would stop them on the other side.)
    18. The team could visit a world where giant scorpions / crabs type of aliens terrorize the local villages. They would make tunnels underground. The team must help them against their local predators, while they should understand what caused the conflict in the first place. They could be normal crabs which size has been increased by a chemical catastrophy.
    19. The team would investigate a space gate with theirs new jumper type ship where there is no planet or nothing else, just a floating DHD on the otherside in space. Soon they would dicover that the local world merges back to our reality / seeable spectrum occasionally.
    20. The team would visit a robotic world where everyones lives in a digital ascendancy.
    21. The team would encounter a dying world where the surface is bombarded with heavy space radiation. The locals have moved undergound. The team must ask an allied race (the Phoenix) to save these people, so they could relocate them safely.
    22. I always wanted to see a stargate in a middle of a reed. Nothing special. It would be located on a shore, but the gate would be surrounded of reed or papyrus. Or if the gate would be standing in water then the team could arrive / escape on papyrus ships. They could rescue an ornitologist base member who was being trapped by local birds and later they would discover they are robotic woodpeckers and they are in the middle of an abadonned artifical zoo (with ancient Egyptian design) what was kept by the Goa'uld. Or they could even swarm again in the water...
    23. Or they could make a Gulliver type scenario, where the team is considered as intruders and they are captured by tiny aliens.
    24. The team visits a dark world, where is alway night. The local ecosystem would be based on fluorescence, so illuminating cactuses would rule the skyline. Than the story could turn into a Pitch black / Avatar combination.


    As you can see I am full of story ideas and these can be combined with all the other technolgical brainstorming what we have done before. I am sure it would be enough for a few season or even other SG spinoffs. These story elements would be depend what stargate network are we talking about (new galaxy?), what gateships the team has got, what is the technological and environmental limits of their starting base. I really wish we could have a new Stargate show as they could show us so much fun and adventure on different planets. No other scifi shows could set my imagination as free as Stargate.

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    Back to the Medusa idea. Maybe there would be a tale that these monsters are guarding an ancient treasure on the world. The team discusses whether some monster really lives there and then they are walking into a trap, or it is just a fairy tale to keep the coward people away. But something similar was discussed in the episode Quest too. Or the world could be locked down by the Ancients / Merlin / SpaceJinn, so nobody could visit this dangerous planet. Our team would boldly go there. We could combine the idea with the loop that as soon as they go there they would find themselves on the planet again and again as the "Medusa" kills the team again and again. Later they would discover that the monster actually doesn't exist how they Greek mythology preserved it. It is just an unnatural protection mechanism of some dangerous local animals. They can paralize their victim through the retinal cortex. So basically the longer you look at them, the more paralized you will be. That is the secret behind changing someone into a statue. So there won't be snakes on the head etc. The loop could be explained by different ways (like an Ancient safety protocoll or one of the earlier adventurers left a technology there what helped them to restart the quest : maybe Harlan's people visited this place and they created robotic versions of themselves to defeat the monster, but then they have given up etc.). Or even the SpaceJinn could send a team here to find some old students of the Academy or find out what happened with them. There are many options. Then the story could develop that the Goa'uld wanted to use this Medusa race as hosts, but since they like attraction of the Jaffas and the people, this skill would be useful only in combats. But maybe we could have a later "episode" when they meet them again like a Medusa Guard. They would wear a mask and they only take them off before the battle to defeat the enemies etc.

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    Random idea 2:

    It would be nice to see an episode where a team visit a strange world which looks like a surrealistic painting. Later they would discover that this dream type world is based on the works of the famous painter - Salvador Dali. So has he been here? Has the art created this place or the place created his art? Has any art loving alien race visited Earth? Maybe that is how they want to communicate with the team etc. This story could even work as a dream episode and if not Dali then Van Gogh or Picasso would be a good choice.

    https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/20...f2e09fef37.jpg
    The only reason I imagined this story this morning, because these "elephants" grabbed my imagination. It could be interesting to see an episode opening where such tall herbivorous animals are walking around the gate which have got such thin legs like on the Dali painting and then the team literally are just dwarves next to them size wise. Maybe the story could develop about an eco-catastrophy where every animals are getting bigger and bigger (like a reference to dinosaurs). And then these aliens ask the help of team's help to enter such a narrow place where they don't fit anymore. They also couldn't use the stargate as they are so tall (overweight), but maybe they could dial DHD). Alien energy signatures detected, team finds the device (discovered originally meant to grow the crops not the animals) and turns it off. The "elephants" are extremely happy and the team goes home with a friendship of a peaceful alien race.

    Later these animals could be used to "eat" the floating gas filled forest what I tried to describe before.

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    Random idea 3:

    I always wanted to see an episode where we would focus on a point of view of a stargate like it would be a storytelling person. What people has gone there in the last few centuries or milleniums (!), what personal tragedies happened there, what new travelers came and gone etc. I believe it could be told as a seris of short flashbacks type episode. Just we have to find a right backstory how a stargate gained a "personality". Is it an Ancient safety feature? Or is the stargate modified? Is it being different from the other stargates from the network? Because such a story could be introduced via the SpceJinn. Maybe that was his punishment that he couldn't leave the planet anymore and he was punished to live alone etc. Just I don't want to creat such a backstory for him what was used for the Ancients as well. Maybe a romantic love story, where is being killed and an Ancient girl helped him to ascend, but then even the Ancient was killed as well in the process. Or he could be introduced as guard for Anubis who disappeared for 1000 years and maybe nobody has seeen him what has he done. I doubt that he has spent 1000+ years with Oma and her teaching. Maybe he was locked up in an "ascended prison" or a time dilation field.


    That is the reason I believe this academy / hub idea could work as so many stories could be introduced what happened in the past. We don't need a spinoff about Ancients, if we can cleverly introduce the past of the galaxy into the new stories and events which will effect the present and the future.

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    Random idea 4:
    The team discovers a world, where is an other stargate made from wood. They decide to study it, where they discover that the stargate and the "fake" stargate are in a little arena and they are being used for a local sportgame what looks similar to football. As the locals were never able to understand how the DHD works, the real stargate is simply used for this ridicolous reason. The first contact with the local Aztec descendants turns into a nightmare quickly as they discover they execute the losing team...

    Random idea 5:
    The team visits a world where they worship the stargate. Not gods or any deities. They just kneel down in front of it etc. The whole culture is based on the Blue Eye what they paint on their forehead. It looks someone periodically calls the world through the stargate, but nobody arrives and the local humans were waiting for the puddle as part of a daily routine similar to a clock. The team decide to investigate somehow with the latest gate related discoveries or technologies who could be the mysterious caller. The write a program for the DHD which sends a false gate protocol for that stargate what creates periodically the incoming wormhole. (Or they could simply radio them...) Or they could send a radio which will scan the starting side. Or they could send even an EMP pulse there too. Or they could have a look in the "Hub" which world connects them regularly. Later they will discover it is a gate malfunction on the other side and DHD automatically calls the last dialed world. They don't know if they should fix the problem or not, because then it would destroy the culture of the local civilization. So the team must find out who was the last traveller who visited this gate worshipping world...

    Random idea 6:
    The team investigates a world where the locals use the stargate as a centre of a hospital! It looks like someone makes incoming wormholes and the active wormhole has got healing properties. But later the team discovers that this blessing is also a curse as the healing radiation also causes massive mind controll on the population what makes the "chosen ones" do suicide acts in the kawoosh.... The team shocked that even those people decided to use this methos who could have been saved with medicines. The episode would be a sensitive talk about eutanasia and forced eutanasia question. The team would try to convince the locals to block their stargate with energy shields even if it means not everybody will be healed all the time, while they also promise they will find that race who did this. (Maybe the Ashens or some aliens who don't want to reveal themselves in front of humans... But then we should find some restrictions what the HUB can follow or can't follow, becaus then they could find out quickly who is responsible for it.)

    Random idea 7:
    It would be nice to see a double-rainbow which cross each other because of a binary star systems. Later they would discover that the "second" star is actually located in an other solar system, just it is much larger than the local sun, so it looks the same size because of the distance for the observer. Anyway the two stars would cause some interesting rainbow combinations after a storm.

    Random idea 8:
    Or the team could study a world where the aliens have really built a megastructure around the local sun. We have heard about this news a few months ago, so maybe a cool episode could be based on it.
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    Work, work, work....

    So many ideas, so little budget!

    The "map" would need to include lots of addresses for all kinds of POOs and destinations. Major long-range "hubs" would no longer be enough.

    Trouble with the "Academy/System Hub" scenario is that it should have been discovered and used already by lots of people. Its continued secret must be justified, as it would be such a game-changer. :-?

    IIRC, some Goa'uld carry "direct dial" devices. In any case, they're supposed to have exceedingly good memory. But yeah, it would be cool to see DHDs displaying galactic holo-maps with calculated destinations *before* the big red button is hit.

    Ultra-speedy planetary rotations/translations would probably centrifuge/disaggregate the planets themselves, or at least their air, so, hmmm, maybe not.

    Spiders, eeeewwww!

    Some race could have "hacked" their Stargate for protection, sending travelers to virtual worlds, instead of using an Iris. They could also "test" them with varied scenarios. Endless possibilities!

    Someone trying to Ascend thru the Gate and instead becoming trapped for millennia? Sweet! P-}

    The Gate-worshippers are out there, for sure, revering their glitchy Gate. We want to meet 'em!

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    Thanks for answering. I was left here alone.

    The Academy or System Hub could have been locked down for centuries for a good reason. The two must not be necessarily the same place. I have just rewatched SG-1 7x01-7x02 and they confirm it that the plague started there, so I have to skip that idea.

    The Academy was a proper place for education for lots of generations from different planets. Then something happened in the past and it was abadonned or they forced to leave it. Then it became only a myth as it was almost completly forgotten. Later the story could tell what happened. The planet could be moved to an other galaxy, the gate could have been locked by the Jinn or the gate was placed transphase.

    The System Hub could be a secret Ancient outpost or part of the Academy (like an inner chamber what only the Ancients could use). But if we would introduce it, then it definately must be a 9 chevron address. They could discover that massive energy need from an Icarus type planet needed only for a distant 9 chevron address. But the local hub was like a safeguard system for the Ancients, so every MW gate is capable of dialing this gate address as it work like an "origo" in the Stargate system. So all the other gates are synchronized to this world and since nobody knew the 9 chevron address it was safe from the Goa'uld or any other visitors. And then everybody wants to capture it when the galaxy wide war restarts.

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    I tried to spawn ideas about gate related problems and technology as I believe a new spin off (or one of the main character) should focus on such problems. I don't want to create a new McKay, Carter or Rush as we had enough fun with space science. Any of these characters could be called back anyway as crossover characters. It would be nice to grab a different areas of science. So the other metaplot would focus rather on biological hazards (contact of animals, mushrooms, plants), the evolutional changes of the known races and environment protection. If one of the heroes would be a biologist then they could write stories around her or him. The only reason I was thinking on such character moments as it was well balanced in SG-1 as all the characters had their own aspect. If we have a team of 4-5 characters, we need 1-2 fighters and 1-2 "magician" like in an RPG team. Then stories and discoveries could be written around these new characters where they could shine and then the audience would feel some family type chemistry between them in time.

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    1. Dr. Sylvia Waterfield
    A brilliant biologist/zoologist/geologist who worked for the SGC. She studied different dangerous animals and plants in the Milky Way. She is interested in the rapid evolution of races taken from Earth comparsion to the Earth based ones. She identified and cathegorized many new races which are already extinct on Earth, but the Ancients and other visiting aliens spreaded in the last 50000 years. She has got her own theories how the liveable planets where created by the Ancients as she studied the remains of the Ancient weapon on Dakara as part of SG-8. She had a direct confrontation with the Lucian Alliance, when she sabotaged their cassa laboratories. She has gone missed in action and they rescue team hasn't found her. She was believed to be dead for months, but she was rescued by the Nox Lya, who studied her pure mind and loving heart for all living beings. Later she was returned to Earth / Alpha Site / Academy and she was put under quarantine as they don't trust her anymore as she began to show signs of Nox advanced skills. She was locked up in Area 51, but she escaped to finish a mission what she has heard from the Nox. Latest intel reports said she has gone to Algeria, so the SGC was looking for her to find out what is she doing in the middle of the Sahara. Later we would find out she is looking for Omoroca in a shrinking oasis / undergorund lake in the middle of the desert. After the saving a new potential alien ally she is back to duty in SGC.

    So something similar could be a good start for a new hero as she could be a complex character with good and bad skills. Maybe later she could be turned into a Nox type "druid" character, but then her starting background must be rewritten. We would discover that she is a bit reckless as she is not really a team player. She likes being alone with her plants and animals, but don't worry she won't turn into a Poison Ivy. Or Silvy in her case. She could fill a similar role what Daniel Jackson did. She would also have some arch enemies as the team would clash with ultra violent environmentalist race and she feels responsible for their terror attacks. The team would also regularly bump into a small tv crew, who shoots a hunter / survivor / treasure finder type reality series on different planets. Sylvia has a little crush on the arrogant star of the show and they are in a love and hate type relationship like a real star-crossed lovers. Sylvia could be a key character to the "Nox protected lifeforms" as later she would be like a represantative on their part in a newly established alliance. Her Nox related gifts or skills could be later established, but she would definately be a key character of discovering transphase gates and those races who could use them like Rhee'tou, Nox, Ashrak, Giant aliens, Merlin. She could be also used at toxins, infections, biological hazads as she is an expert of herbology. Maybe she could make some potions like a witch / pharmacist. (By the way her Nox skills could be replaced by any other aliens (like the people of Omoroca or maybe a new race), so the almighty Nox race could be kept for other reasons. But it would be interesting to learn more about them.

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    2. Erik Andersson
    A survivor type character, who came from a planet called Vanaheimr with a Scandinavian background which used to be an Asgard Protected Planet. His homeplanet has just recently started its own stargate program, but they know only a few gate addresses. He is a bold explorer, who visits alien worlds and his adventures are broadcasted back through the stargate as a reality show. His civilization extremely tech dependent as it builded on Asgard technology. His companion is a unique modified Asgard drone, what works as a pet, a friend and a servant (and later we find out an observer) at the same time. His folks are extremely xenophobic, so they are afraid of using the stargate for centuries as they are afraid of contamination. Later we would find out that they had some genetic mutations / adaptions to the local environment, so they can never leave their planet for a longer period as it was forbidden by the Asgard. It looks like they experimented on them, maybe we could blame Loki again. Anyway he is a rare exception as he always feels he is a descendant of explorers, so he decided to use the gate and to contact other civilizations. He discovered the legacy of their gods on other worlds and it made him extremely rich as a treasure hunter and a trader, but he also risked his life many many times. His goverments doesn't like his adventures, but he is a very famous media star at home. Unfortunately his world was also visited by the Vanirs (the evil Asgard) who came back from the Pegasus galaxy and they started to brainwash / convince his people as they acted like their deties again. Erik is expelled from his planet as their stargate is closed down what would be a death sentence for him as he also suffers from the withdrawal of his planet already. He tries to find a way to go home, so when he meets Sylvia agains he asks her help to meet Vala or the leader of SGC. (He wants to go on the board of the Odussey to read the Asgard data base.) His character would be like a mini Indiana Jones / MacGyver / IronMan type character, but the twist would be that he doesn't like using any weapon (maybe his droid would do). His people are not hunters at all and there is no crime on his planet. That is the reason he strongly builds on his instincts and his droid, so he is a bit too innocent. Most of his people hates leaving civilization, but he doesn't really like crowded or overpopulated places, so he prefers the nature. So maybe that is the reason they understand each other with Sylvia, but their unofficial relationship risks both of their jobs and the loyality to their own homeworlds. His methods are also a bit more messy rather than violent as he doesn't really care about the local risks or hazards or cultural expectations, so when his "crew" (it could be an Asgard built drone - similar what they showed in Stargate : Worlds) almost died, he left really alone when he was unable to fix it without the right equipment. Later he could turn to be a good guy, who wants to find a cure for his people, so they could establish colonies on other planets or just simply to meet with other races.

    Or we want to make an interesting character scenario, he could be a clone of himself what he is not aware. So the original "Erik" sends his copies to make "adventures" so it doesn't matter of his clones die on different planets. But it would be too similar to the robot-SG-1 storyline, but it would be also funny to see the character in different roles on different mission. And maybe our "Erik" could be healed by an easy zat shot or EMP shot which could deactivate his artifical nanites / DNA / Vanir implant parts.

    Or he could be transformed into like a cyborg character, who is merged with his android "pet". Later we would visit his homeworld, maybe find the real Erik, or find some hostile versions, find out the conspiration of the Vanir Asgards who helps this world to stepup as a galactic civilization under their command. etc.

    He could be the tech guy of the team as he is really good at Asgard technologies. He could be the centre character of the Vanir/Asgard related stories, so he would be an expert of Asgard drones, cloning, force fields, time and gravity dilation fields and beaming technologies.

    His homeworld could be called "Anahe" in the beginning, but later we would discover its mythological background as the full name is Vanaheimr.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanaheimr
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    3. The Space Jinn - (later he would get a nickname "Robin" from the team (after Robin Williams))
    I believe we talked enough about him. He is the guardian of the new base where our spinoff starts. He lives in the DHD as a "genie" and he can not really leave the DHD too far away. He likes showing up as a security hologram, like a very annyoing and arrogant tour guide. Later we could find out his true motivation. Is he really the hiding Hephaistos? Is he an ascended being? Or is he a member of an other race? He doesn't like to share his true motives and skills, but once they gain his trust he looks loyal to them. He likes showing up in different outfits and forms as he was capable of copying those races who touched the DHD at the Academy. Later we would find out why he was trapped there, why he was imprisoned there. He could travel to other side to move to the local DHD and he could play a talking MALP function in the show, why he wouldn't physically interfere the adventures in the beginning. Later we would find out what happened with his body or if he is able to materialize himself or not. And what if there is more of him? What if he came from an other stargate network? Has ha tried to recruit other teams in the past? Who is he in reality? What roles he played in the history of the Ancients / Four Alliance / Roundtable?

    His personality is a bit complex. He can be uppish, childish and funny. He is like a bard type character, who likes entertaining his new companions, so he likes singing and dancing as motivation even if he is quite bad at it. He truly enjoys his newly gained freedom. But behind his funny face there is a much deeper, hidden, supressed pain and he would never admit how lonely he was before. Later we could discover what happened with his race, where is his physical body, what happened in the past in the Academy, so many flashback could be based on him. And maybe he is just acting for the whole time. He doesn't like that the leadership of Earth doesn't trust him as he is an alien, but they must play his ridicolous rules and mental games.

    He would be an expert of gate travelling and later he would save his team from many near deadly situations (like speedy dialing, weather forecast, warning to hazards, opening protective shields around the gate etc.). He would be also the translator for the team. Later he could be used as a shapeshifter, so he could transform himself to look like an other race (to appear like a Vanir Asgard/Unas/Phoenix/Medusa/whatever), so he is technically not a magician as the forms are copies of the earlier Academy visitors. He is still a coward, so he won't go into a battle if not absolutely necessarry as he likes diplomatic solutions.

    4. Malcolm
    He would be the "official" soldier in the team, since Sylvia (bio expert) and Erik (tech expert) would be the "scientist" characters while Robin (the SpaceJinn) would be the alien base commander. So I imagined him as a former SGC character who had some serious problems with army regulations, so he was removed from the program.

    I am pretty sure that our SpaceJinn would carefully select the people who he wants to work with. It would be a bit boring if "accidentally" only the four main characters could go to his Academy, but then Earth would be sealed again. But who knows? Maybe even his "collections" would in the Academy as well, so we could introduce any alien as supportive characters. Just since we are following the adventures of the Earth, I am sure the audience would prefer more Earth based character. And it would also sound like a ripoff of the Collector from the MCU and then the Academy would turn into a space-Sanctuary.

    Okay these are just rough character ideas, which were just improvized and it really depends what the main metaplot would be for a new spinoff. I wouldn't mind to see Jonas, Vala or Eli. Or any earlier secondary character as a new main one (like Lorne, Todd, Amelia).
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    "Ragnarok"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yd_QxOp5ic
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    It would be nice to see a few episodes long Asgard/Vanir mini-series. They planned the Asgard to be a playable race in Stargate : Worlds. There were nice screenshots about such Asgard drones, which walks next to the Asgards and it protects its owner. I believe some of these concept arts and ideas could be moved into a new SG show.

    So my idea would be, what if such technology will fall into a hand of a human civilization after the death of the Asgard? I imagined this new potential threat as they come from an Asgard Protected Planet, where they used to worship the Vanir group of Asgards. The real Asgards have gone (hopefully their "death" was only fake and they are still there somewhere in the Ida galaxy, while the Vanirs have been banned from the planet, so they have gone to hide in the Pegasus galaxy.) The Vanir had some genetic experiment on the locals, so they can adapt to the technologies much easier, but they are more vulnerable to infections as their immune system weakened. The Vanirs also wanted to stop their own genetic degradations, so they mixed some ancient Asgard DNA with the humans, but these human-Asgad hybrids were not enough good for them. Before they could have been destroyed, the Ashard High Council interfered and the Vanirs were removed.

    So imagine a human world, which can put their hand suddenly on high tech Asgard technologies without consequences or "parental control". For example everyone has got a personal a drone. And the twist would be that the Vanir returns and they convince them to step-up to conquer more and more planets as the Anahes were not an interplanetary civilization before, but in the beginning nobody would know that the Vanirs are behind the conflict. Vanirs obviously wants the Asgard heritage what is on the board of the USS Odussey, so they would manipulate them into a war situation. They would grant new technologies to the locals and that is how we could introduce the different gate shields, new Asgard jumpers or even beaming people and later ships through the active wormhole (or around the gate), but the locals are still reluctant to go to war as they believe they will be infected on other planets. So that is the main reason they started to clone themselves as sacrificeable soldiers who will go for different missions. They are looking for clues what happened with the Asgard and the other Asgard Protected Planet. They are not happy at all that Earth became the leader of the group.

    The locals used to be very peaceful people as the SG-1 has visited them in the past. Later we could use your idea that the planet had a special defense option : it will send them to a virtual reality like a quarantine, so the SG-1 could have never seen the real technological level of the planet Anahe. They would simply have gone home with some nice memories like nothing happened.

    And that is how our new hero (Erik or Olaf or whatever) would turn against the Vanir. He is one of the few Anahes, who goes offworld regularly as a treasure hunter/adventurer/writer/survivor, but he is getting more and more convinced that the reading of the drones are incorrect and they lie to the people about infections and health hazards. Maybe he would have a unique modified drone what would be like a mechanic pet for him, but budget wise it would be hard to involve in every scene. Or something would happen with this drone which helps to clear his head and he realizes that an agressive Asgard AI turned against the local humans. And this AI would not even hesitate to send more and more clone copies and warrior drones to capture and/or kill him, so his role could be "swapped back" with personality download to a more obedient body etc. Maybe he is already a clone and the real one is still at home. And it would be a real shock for him that his fame, his glory, his popularity are just lies as they could be memorial implants to motivate him to make his missions. Maybe he would discover that they are being observed and controlled like slaves through the drones, so he wants to gain back the indepenendce for his people as he discovers the AI is programmed by the evil Vanirs or actually they are the Vanirs.

    Then Erik could lead his new team to such planets where he has been before or even some new locations in the Milky Way / Ida / Othala galaxy. He could search for the remains Yggdrasil (what could be part of the cosmic background radiance from the metaplot of the Universe) or any other Norse mythology related quests. Maybe the Anahe would have a direct connection to the Ida galaxy and they would establish colonies there, or the MW based planet would be their "beachhead world" of conquest. They must have lots of energy resources, so it can not be a problem of dialing between MW and the Ida galaxies.

    So that is how I would introduce him with a rich background what is based on past SG-1/Atlantis events while his storyline could introduce a new threat to the MW galaxy while it could also introduce new gate related discoveries. We could talk about many technology related problems which effects the current society like popularity on virtual platforms, addiction to the virtual worlds, addiction to reach immortality with cloning technology and how these technological upgrades could influence the human biology and society. Even his famous journal, his past adventures could be censored, so his whole life would turn upside down. Maybe none of them happened at all and they were all just built-in memories. But then his new friends would protect him and he would discover what a real family means while he discovers the roots of his anchestors on Earth / Academy. We could also talk about such a scenario, when highly advanced Earth descendant would like to return to Earth to study their own roots. How would they react? etc.

    But if this story could go on that we should find out some nice motivations for the Vanirs (why have they came back from Pegasus? Have they been in the Ida and Othala galaxies? What happened with the Asgard shipyards or offwold bases?) And we have to find out a believable way how to fool such an enemy week by week. Not to mention that it would be nice to create a such threat where we would know in advance how we would like to close this storyline.

    Later we could find out that the Anahe's DNA is very vulnerable to wormhole travel, so when the gate "remakes" the traveller, it causes a long term genetic problem. And maybe that was the reason they couldn't leave their own homeplanet as this "artificial" safeguard was built in by the Asgard/Vanir. Then who knows? Maybe Dr. Beckett from Atlantis could help them out with some retroviruses...

    My other idea would be something similar that what if the SpaceJinn or one of the key character would be immune to Asgard beaming (genetic reasons or a wornable technology). Or Todd could help to develop this technology based on his Wraith dart knowledge, so we could be very useful against the Vanir drone army. That could be also explained with a nice little coverstory that not every race in the galaxy can be teleported by Asgard technology, maybe that was a prevention of "stealing" them. This step would be a blessing and a curse at the same time for our heroes, so I have to think about how we could use it in this Vanir storyline. It would be also practical to give this skill to the Anahe humans, but then we couldn't beam them through the gate to fight against our heroes.

    Or we could forge a little story why the Vanir spacesuits looked like the same in the Universe. What if they have been on the board of Destiny for a short period and after they have got what they wanted they have gone back to their own galaxy?

    I have just imagined how 2-3-4 drones would go through the gate and attack our new heroes. We could establish different type of drones : ground units, flying ones etc. Different skills like : levitating the people on earth, create energy shields, electricity webs, use hologram projections to confuse enemies etc. Or they could also form some kind of bridge (like an Asgard version of Goa'uld rings), so more and more troops could be beamed through the active opened wormhole. Then our heroes would learn their tricks and fight back with their own weapons (for example capture and somehow reprogram the drones and send it back as a spy, turn off the VR barrier of their stargate, SpaceJinn could use a form of an Asgard), or release some replicators on them, or infect the people with nanites. There would be so many creative ways while we could dig out more and more informations from the Asgard heritage to defend ourselves. Maybe our heroes could go for adventures in the Ida galaxy to find some technologies which were left behind the Asgard, since they must know all their local gate addresses of the Ida galaxy. Or they could really introduce ascended / hologram / VR Asgards, or go back in time to rescue a few in the past to solve the genetic problems, so our friendly Asgards could be revived. If they died at all. We should also hear about what happened with their fleet as I doubt they were all destroyed in Unending. So even a whole new spinoff could be based what a new Earth expedition would do in the Ida and Othala galaxies. They could find new allies, new enemies on the ruins of the Asgard-Replicator war etc. But if we keep the MW for the new "spinoff" then an expanding, formerly isolated Asgard world would be a nice ongoing metaplot next to the other storylines.

    Even the Vanirs would be able to dial the Pegasus galaxy. They don't know where is Atlantis now, but they now where it was. The gate address of Atlantis could be still called, but then they would dial the Asuran satellite (the space stargate) what was left behind. I believe they mentioned somewhere that the Atlantis gate had a special chrystal so only that gate was able to dial Earth. Since the Replicators destroyed the tower and even the city is in the Milky Way now, we can assume that other gates could still call MW gates back and forth if they have got enough energy and if they can calculate the gate address. And the Vanirs are clever guys, so we explain with this step how they could dial in to MW if they don't want to fly there for x days.

    Just a little twist on the "Erik" character. If Mike Dopoud could return to play him, then his other roles could be explained as other "clones" of him. So Varro was one of them on Destiny as an undercover Vanir spy in the Lucian Alliance / Destiny expedition, Kiryk in the Pegasus galaxy, Odai Ventrell as an other Lucian spy or even the Russian officer from Full Alert. But maybe this step would be a bit forced, but it would be also a good connection between the other shows. And who knows? Maybe Baal captured an other and that has given the idea of cloning himself...

    So anyway I will think about a bit deeper as I am entertaining myself with such story ideas, but the flying personal drone next to the Asgard has really inspired me in that SG:W video and look where it has brought me already....
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    "Alone" with 1000s of viewers.

    Definitely need more 9 chevron addresses leading to more interesting places!

    Biohazards sound like a natural extension of all SG has done so far.

    And your "rough" characters look pretty cool. The Nox connection has definite potential, and the "alien Reality TV" and Asgard tech/drones too!

    We know people on the brink of Ascension, as well as those who de-Ascend, can have lots of super-powers. Plenty potential that way, too.

    Maybe the Ancients just bought a load of superior Asgard spacesuits, customized for Destiny?

    I guess the Vanir would have very few resources/people, so it would be *them* using their wits to thwart a superior but overconfident SGC to gain a little more power/toys every episode. The only "problem" would be the final Clash of the Titans, where Earth would narrowly escape defeat... Oh, wait: what could happen if they conquered Earth, enslaved all people, and ran their varied tech and experiments without restraint? At least for a few episodes? P-}

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