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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Just a theoratical question. When Mitchell escaped through the stargate in the Continuum then he must have showed up in 1929 through the gate in Egypt on Earth. Was the gate digged out? It must have been, so how could nobody notice an incoming traveller? Or shall we treat this plothole as a new AU created while "Origins" plays in our normal reality?
    I've said it before, but for this reason I'm hoping they managed to get Ben Browder in the show

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    I doubt that he will be involved because then we have heard about it I believe and he should stay away from the gate to not cause any time paradox. I still hope to see him in the final scene of Origins if it ends up with the Achilleus. But if they plan to have a second season then maybe they will leave the transport out. Or if the second season could be laid in the USA then Paul McGillion could make a little cameo again as Ernest (even if he would look much older now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    Cloning is one of those things where Stargate acted like it would be super complex whereas nowadays it's pretty much doable in a reasonable fashion.
    What made it look super complex?
    Granted the Asgard cloning problem was an unsolvable one in the end. But the problem wasn't cloning per-sé, but rather the consequences that result with multiple generations of clones. Or as Carter put it so O'Neill could understand, the problems with making a copy of a copy of a copy. Eventually there's degradation.
    I don't remember anything in particular that made the process of cloning itself seem super hard. The only thing that comes to mind is from "Resurrection", but there again it wasn't cloning itself the difficulty, it was combining human and Goa'uld DNA together in a viable living being that proved difficult.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supergater View Post
    I agree that that's possible but I would like to point out that in that same episode, Dr Jackson said "the hieroglyphs identify the jar as Isis...Goa'uld symbol indicate Isis & Osiris suffered some kind on punishment/banishment", so these facts should more likely to be (in show) accurate/still canon with SGO. But also said was "legend has it that Osiris was placed in magic box and dump into Nile by Seth", keyword on LEGEND has it, meaning part of the statement is mostly true with possible deviations. My guess here is the banishment is going to be episode 10 of SGO with deviation from legend being Ra instead of Seth doing the banishment. (Boy are there a lot of theories flying around with just 3 SGO episodes released )
    Yeah, the "legend" allow for some potential leeway story-wise, as to who might have put them in the jar, and for which purpose. That's where I feel a retcon will help fill-in the gaps and make it consistent (so we are promised).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Master_Bra'tac View Post
    One thought I had with this whole thing.... Prof Langford theorises that they are in the past. Maybe they hit a solar flare and they are...
    Seemed obvious to me that the intent was to show Langford being wrong once again instead of providing another possible explanation to their adventures. But I suppose that's always possible at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Just a theoratical question. When Mitchell escaped through the stargate in the Continuum then he must have showed up in 1929 through the gate in Egypt on Earth. Was the gate digged out? It must have been, so how could nobody notice an incoming traveller? Or shall we treat this plothole as a new AU created while "Origins" plays in our normal reality?
    Hmmm, interesting. I had not considered Mitchell coming back in 1929.
    Since the gate was raised in Giza in 1928, we can safely assume he landed in Egypt. Otherwise he would have landed in the crevasse in Antarctica . Perhaps even landing in the same warehouse as we saw in SGO, depending if the gate was there for the whole 10 years they were studying it.

    I suppose it's always possible he came through unnoticed. Nothing says the gate was being guarded 24/7 in 1929. Even in SGO's first episode there's nobody noticing the Nazi coming in until they are out of their car.

    Now I really really want to see a Ben Browder cameo in the last episode, as they put the gate in the Achilles

    Since I don't see any reason to call it a plothole, I see no reason to split the Stargate timeline in two. Hopefully that will remain true forever! I'd hate to see them do something like they did in the latest series of StarTrek movies, splitting the timeline in two independent story lines.

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    If Mitchell could have arrived in the warehouse maybe he was able to walk out from the warehouse as you said. It would be nice if he could save the Langfords at the end without revealing his identity then he could convice them to move it the USA immediately.

    I don't remember the ToT perfectly, but where have they found the gate address to Heliopolis?

    Other things. Is there any chance that can upgrade the wormhole effect and gate sound effects (kawoosh, entering wormhole, locking chevrons etc.) in the next few episodes? It is so disturbing that they haven't used what were established in SG-1. But it was amazing to see the entering scene like in the SG movie, so they definately surprised me with this. Well done.

    edit. I had an other idea. What if Dietrich, the German contract of Prof.Langford is Mitchell? I know that the chances are almost zero, but he has arrived 10 years ago. We could see it in a short flashback, then he started a new identity while he tried to support and protect Prof. Langford and Catherine. He had 10 years to learn German and to find out where the DHD is. It could explain how the Nazis had his diary... And he also arrived to the SGC after Catherine has died, so probably they have never met later. Anyway I am sure I have overcomplicated the story now.
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    I don't believe they ever stated where they found the address for Heliopolis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Anubis Guard View Post
    I don't believe they ever stated where they found the address for Heliopolis.
    Hmm, I recall that Daniel mentioned in the episode that the address was similar to Abydos, which meant the planet was very close to Earth like Abydos and could thus be dialed without taking stellar drift into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    edit. I had an other idea. What if Dietrich, the German contract of Prof.Langford is Mitchell? I know that the chances are almost zero, but he has arrived 10 years ago. We could see it in a short flashback, then he started a new identity while he tried to support and protect Prof. Langford and Catherine. He had 10 years to learn German and to find out where the DHD is. It could explain how the Nazis had his diary... And he also arrived to the SGC after Catherine has died, so probably they have never met later. Anyway I am sure I have overcomplicated the story now.
    Damn the speculation is going out of hand... But now I think we're crossing in the domain of fanfiction I would LOVE that to be true though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    I don't remember the ToT perfectly, but where have they found the gate address to Heliopolis?
    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Anubis Guard View Post
    I don't believe they ever stated where they found the address for Heliopolis.
    I believe it was understood to be found through the process of random dialing. It was actually the first ever discovered address unknown to the Goa'ulds (Not on the Abydos cartouche). Sam brought that point up during the mission briefing, and Daniel followed by saying it was their first evidence that the Goa'uld didn't build the Stargates.

    ToT was on the LIVE rewatch yesterday on Youtube, so that's why my memory is so fresh about it

    Quote Originally Posted by nivao View Post
    Hmm, I recall that Daniel mentioned in the episode that the address was similar to Abydos, which meant the planet was very close to Earth like Abydos and could thus be dialed without taking stellar drift into account.
    Correct!

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    Some people had complained about the gate looking different than in the film (too shiny for example).

    I think they just provided an explanation at the start of the 4th episode.
    We see a guy cleaning it! Perhaps that the first clean gate we've ever seen? In the movie it was just dirty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerem View Post
    Some people had complained about the gate looking different than in the film (too shiny for example).

    I think they just provided an explanation at the start of the 4th episode.
    We see a guy cleaning it! Perhaps that the first clean gate we've ever seen? In the movie it was just dirty?
    I think most people complain about the fact it doesn't look like the gate from the series, which is what Origins is supposed to fit in. I don't think any amount of cleaning is going to help , unless they remove the grey dirt on the chevrons and they suddenly turn red

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    Yep, it's obvious now - all the gates we saw before were just dirty


    Couple of other things from this week's episodes:

    They could see stars when they went through the gate
    Should they? Did I misunderstand this scene? I was always under the impression that travellers were democularised on passing through the event horizon and re-assembled on the other end. So they shouldn't have seen anything. The gate travelling effect is just a visual thing for the audience.

    I guess they could have been referring to the point while their face is in the "water", just before demolecularisation.

    Goa'uld permanently glowing eyes
    We never saw this in the series, but I guess this isn't proof they can't


    The explanation for Aset/Isis is hinted at. She refers to her resurrection in the show, and the mission files said this

    Quote Originally Posted by mission file ep 5
    especially after Ra had allowed her a rare second chance - a literal rebirth, if you will
    If anyone is wondering how the Abydonians used the healing device:

    Quote Originally Posted by mission file ep 5
    Motahk and Kasuf both call for the Wand of Horus, a special healing device gifted to the villagers by their god, Aset. The device was a new creation of Aset’s, utilizing similar technology seen in a sarcophagus to enable those without high levels of naquadah in their blood to heal wounds in the field. The end use for such a technology was actually for a new military force that Aset had been planning, but gifting a prototype to her tribespeople served the dual purpose of field testing while ensuring their continued loyalty without the aggression her fellow Goa’uld so enjoyed. Aset, in all her wisdom, would never have imagined the wand would be used on a being who served no benefit to her cause, though.
    Anyone have any other nitpicks?
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    Why didn't the DHD buttons light up? From what I remember, even if the address is incorrect, the buttons should work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiristi View Post
    Why didn't the DHD buttons light up? From what I remember, even if the address is incorrect, the buttons should work.
    It did light up when Catherine pressed the first symbol. Either she was merely searching-by-hand/"touching" the remaining symbol or the props department ran of out budget to put lights on all the symbols or fix them after sitting in the warehouse since SG-1 ended.

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    Yes, I obviously meant the following five symbols It could be that she didn't press them yet, of course.

    Is it the same prop as in SG-1? It looks slightly different somehow... Could be my memory of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiristi View Post
    Yes, I obviously meant the following five symbols It could be that she didn't press them yet, of course.

    Is it the same prop as in SG-1? It looks slightly different somehow... Could be my memory of course.
    yeah, it's clear she didn't actually press the other 5.

    apparently it is the same prop - source

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    Yes, I rewatched the scene. She indeed pressed only the first one.

    It's very interesting how this show mixes the canons of the original movie and SG-1. For example, the Stargate symbols on Abydos, the Goa'uld and the DHD are obviously SG-1 canon, whereas the gate itself (especially the chevron locking process), the puddle and the unstable vortex are movie canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiristi View Post
    Yes, I rewatched the scene. She indeed pressed only the first one.

    It's very interesting how this show mixes the canons of the original movie and SG-1. For example, the Stargate symbols on Abydos, the Goa'uld and the DHD are obviously SG-1 canon, whereas the gate itself (especially the chevron locking process), the puddle and the unstable vortex are movie canon.
    remember that SG1 and the movie are supposed to be the same canon, and SGO is supposed to fit into both.

    The intent was always that SG1 acts a sequel to the movie, though you do have to do a lot of fanwanking to harmonise the two. For this reason the movie and SG1 are in different universes in my head. (Perhaps SGO takes place in a hybrid universe...)

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    Well, they are not exactly in the same canon. Instead, SG-1 has retconned the elements of the movie the new producers found unfitting, thus making it a new canon. However, Origins seems to indeed be some kind of a hybrid of the two canons, mixing many things. I would have preferred full-on SG-1 canon, to be honest, but I don't mind it this way either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Master_Bra'tac View Post
    Couple of other things from this week's episodes:

    They could see stars when they went through the gate
    Should they? Did I misunderstand this scene? I was always under the impression that travellers were democularised on passing through the event horizon and re-assembled on the other end. So they shouldn't have seen anything. The gate travelling effect is just a visual thing for the audience.

    I guess they could have been referring to the point while their face is in the "water", just before demolecularisation.
    Yeah, to me that's a HUGE dealbreaker regarding canonicity of SGO. Not only it goes against the basic laws of gate travel established in all previous iterations, it even contradicts "common sense" after seeing the demolecularization process in SGO itself. I'd love to see an explanation on how "energy" can have eyes that see!

    No, you didn't misunderstand the scene since she describe what she saw as "stars".
    If they were referring to things they "see" before demolecularization, then they should have included stars... The CGI animation of the vortex shows only blackness before movement/travelling starts.

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    I wanted to share my latest thoughts on the issues of Aset/Isis identity stuff...

    Since the child was confirmed to be Harsesis, it seemed more and more to point towards the fact that Aset/Isis must have been banished/punished for creating such a thing. Serqet's anger on the subject seems to support this. She might even denounce her to Ra (or Seth?)

    If Aset/Isis is found out and punished for eternity by being placed in a canopic jar for these actions, it would make sense that the occupant of the other canopic jar found along was condemned for the same crime. Thus it would mean that Osiris is the father. Furthermore, we already know that Osiris usually inhabited a male host (male + female = possible child conception). In SG-1's "Summit", Zipacna also reveals that Isis was Osiri's queen, just like Apophis called Amunet his queen. One can thus assume they formed a couple. All this adds strength to the theory that Isis and Osiris are the parents of the Harcesis, which would nicely tie-in with the common crime punishment in canopic jars for eternity.

    Based on the whole "Horus, son-of-Isis" etymology of the Harsesis name, I suspect that whoever banished Isis and Osiris (Ra? Seth?) corrected the "crime" by implanting the child with a Goa'uld symbiote to retain the knowledge. The chosen symbiote would be none other than Horus/Heru'ur.
    The symbiote itself could still be an offspring of Hathor, mother of all Goa'uld and thus restauring Teal'c statement in "Thor's Chariot" about his pedigree.

    The only holes in all this that I find (feel free to point more) are the following:
    - Still a time issue. The jars are found 7-8 years prior to the events in SGO
    - Why the etymology of "Harcesis", the name for a host, be named after the symbiote eventually inhabiting it? I suppose it can easily be explained by saying that most humans don't see a difference between the host and the parasite that inhabits it, and thus the two got blended together.
    - How does Seth fits in all this? He's supposed to be the one to banish Isis and Osiris, while story-wise Ra would seem a lot more logical.
    - How come Serqet and Aset call the child Harcesis? Wouldn't such a name appear at a later time, when Heru'ur gets implanted in the kid? One possible explanation is that subtitle translation doesn't translate word for word, and the subtitles were written much later than 1939
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    Well, I am not so much a new member, but I have forgotten my old login/passcode from many many moons ago...I stopped posting when SGU was canceled. But I have returned as Stargate has.....exciting.

    Upon reading this thread, I have wondered a bit about the continuity errors as well.......but first of all, the series is pretty good considering it is a web series, and not a full-fledged series on a network.

    I was confused at first that the individuals traveled to Abydos initially... but then again this predates the 1993 movies original plot - so of course there is going to be differences in the looks of the locations.

    The Goa'uld characters (to me) resemble the characteristics from the '93 movie rather than the SG1 series... not an issue to for me personally, but a nice touch.

    Everyone has talked about the issue of remembering the the SG1 episode "Torment of Tantalus", and the whole dialog of no one had been able to activate the gate since 1945. I get that continuity error and/or plot hole too, and it initially has bothered me (so far). But there could be an easier explanation down the line that maybe hasn't been thought of...what if, Aset/Isis (since she is a sympathizer to humanity to some extent), before allowing or sending these Earth travelers back through the stargate, uses Goa'uld technology of somesort and erases their memory of any knowledge of Abydos, Aset/Isis, the stargate functions, etc. in order to preserve Abydos and the knowledge of Earth from Ra'?
    I see it as if Ra' knows that if Earth beings have advanced to the point in uncovering the stargate, learning its language and meanings, as well as figuring it out that its a traveling device rather than an artifact, then it could mean a potential threat to Ra' and therefore needing to be exterminated...which was the subplot in Stargate the movie.
    So Aset/Isis will send them back to Earth and have their minds wiped of the knowledge and recent experiences they have endured.

    Just my thought.

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