Episode 10 (110)

[Platschu]

I know.... But her name hasn't added anything to the story. They could have introduced any other unknown minor Goa'uld.

It is already an interesting question why the Goa'uld spared their enemies in the past : Osiris and Isis, then Sahmet, then even Egeria. These merciful actions don't pass to the violent nature of the Goa'uld. I would rather imagine that they have served and eated their enemies, not just simply lock them up as punishment.

[Falcon Horus]

The whole Aset jar situation is covered in one of the mission files on the Stargate command website

Tiny problem with those Mission Files -- they are, as of yet, still all-access only and therefore not accessible for every non-6-country member.

However, a friendly all-access member at Stargate Command (the count is up to four who offered a glimpse behind the scenes) copied and pasted the mission files text in private messages so that's how I know that they indeed try to cover the Aset/Isis issue.

However, the mistake they make, even in their cover-up, is that Aset was the original name of the goddess in Egyptian mythology and Isis was the name the Ancient Greeks gave to her. So, she didn't switch from Isis to Aset, but from Aset to Isis but was never any different, just went by different names in different times.

Osiris was known as Uris in Ancient Egyptian mythology (again Osiris is the Ancient Greek naming).

[lightsyder]

Maybe they just didn't want to use the name Isis

[Colonel Rebel]

I was finally able to watch this now that the feature cut was out. Overall, I thought it was a lot of fun. The actors were great (especially Ellie Gall and Connor Trinneer), and the premise was entertaining if a bit predictable. The ending was bittersweet, but I still liked it. It was amazing to see some new Stargate content after so long.

[Falcon Horus]

Maybe they just didn't want to use the name Isis

Why wouldn't they?

It's an Egyptian goddess, in their mythology. I have no issue with their use of Aset but Aset and Isis are one and the same deity. And considering SG-1 canon states Isis and her mate Osiris were at the bottom of the Atlantic, that makes for a poor break in canon galore. So either, this is not, as MGM claimed series canon, but instead movie canon.

The other is IS -- completely unrelated to Ancient Egypt.

[lightsyder]

I know it's unrelated, just thiught they might not want the negativity associated with it now. Just speculation on my part

[Falcon Horus]

I know it's unrelated, just thiught they might not want the negativity associated with it now. Just speculation on my part

Isis was first --

[lightsyder]

Lol! Very true!

[Osiristi]

Well, it's a fair point. No one wants to be associated with the IS, and unfortunately Isis as a name does have negative connotations in that department. Even Downton Abbey apparently killed a character's dog named Isis. They claim it was not because of the IS but you just know it was.

[Falcon Horus]

Well, it's a fair point. No one wants to be associated with the IS, and unfortunately Isis as a name does have negative connotations in that department. Even Downton Abbey apparently killed a character's dog named Isis. They claim it was not because of the IS but you just know it was.

I don't associate IS with Isis because they are two different things. One is a terrorist group that is actually named ISIL, and the other is an Egyptian goddess.

If you are incapable of distinguishing between the two, then the problem lies with you (general) and not the character in question.

However, in relation to Origins, it doesn't actually matter since they don't follow series' canon but movie canon. The Steward expedition is an SG-1 invention. In the film all gods and goddesses were fair game.

[Osiristi]

I don't associate IS with Isis because they are two different things. One is a terrorist group that is actually named ISIL, and the other is an Egyptian goddess.

If you are incapable of distinguishing between the two, then the problem lies with you (general) and not the character in question.

However, in relation to Origins, it doesn't actually matter since they don't follow series' canon but movie canon. The Steward expedition is an SG-1 invention. In the film all gods and goddesses were fair game.

Please, no need to turn this into a personal attack. I'm not saying I think of IS when speaking about Isis but that people in general do so. Just google Isis. Most of the results are not about the Goddess. Please try to understand this without attacking other users.

[lightsyder]

Yes, that is what I meant. The general public is not going to tie the word to Egyptian mythology.

Granted Stargate fans probably know better but all won't and it's probably MGM'S view that simply avoiding potential negative ties is the best option

[Platschu]

Maybe Hathor could have been a better choice then, but then it could have been harder to close story how she ends up in Latin America.

Taurt could have been a good candidate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret
But since they have used "her" in the LOST, I doubt that they wanted to introduce her in the SG as well.

A little off. While I was studying the fertility goddess, I was not aware that Qetesh had mythological connection too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qetesh
Hmmm. Shame on me. How can I be a Vala fan if I don't know such informations. Anyway the "she was a fertility goddess of sacred ecstasy and sexual pleasure"... fits perfecty. So maybe Claudia Black could have played her as Quetesh, but then she would have told the team that actually she managed to meet the Langfords long time ago on Abydos. Then it would be also not logical why Ra would keep Quetesh/Vala alive, so just ignore this little mini fan fiction.

[Falcon Horus]

Please, no need to turn this into a personal attack.

I was not attacking anyone -- I was talking about the "general" you. Perhaps, I should have been more clear.

Yes, that is what I meant. The general public is not going to tie the word to Egyptian mythology.

Granted Stargate fans probably know better but all won't and it's probably MGM'S view that simply avoiding potential negative ties is the best option

That's BS. If the general public hasn't a clue, they should have paid better attention in history class, or read a bit more. Isis and Osiris aren't unknown Egyptian gods either. And pretty common knowledge.

[lightsyder]

I can assure you no history class I ever had covered Egyptian mythology. I learned what I did by reading up on it on my own.

We have our differing opinions on the subject, end of story.

[Major_Griff]

I don't see the issue with Ra not considering Earth a threat. It's the same thing Apophis does despite Apophis going there himself and seeing the level of technology the Tau'ri have. In the pilot episode for the series Ra goes to Earth himself, gets a look around the gateroom and encounters several SGC guards - and he actually looses one of his personal guard to them - but he doesn't at any point show any actual interest in Earth from what i remember. Even after capturing SG1 he shows absolutely no interest in them, it isn't until they directly interrupt him as he's leaving (and with Teal'c betraying him) that he finally decides to send some Jaffa and then eventually just gives up after a few days. It isn't until after SG1 captures him on the Nox planet and they go on to do all sorts of other things that he finally decides to send 2 ships to Earth.

If Apophis, who was a quite powerful system lord, wouldn't consider them a threat after encountering the more advanced (than 1930s Earth) military personnel and seeing their level of technology himself, then i don't see why Ra would consider them a threat before the movie. Ra was the most powerful system lord, he probably had more important things to do than rush off and deal with them when they weren't a problem right away, and 70 years probably isn't a huge amount of time for a creature who's thousands of years old.

The Goa'uld are arrogant, self-centred and pretty much always underestimate their enemies. I don't think there's much chance he considered them worth any significant attention at the time.

Way late on this reply, but isn't there dialogue in Season 1 about how mustering the ships and army to come and attack Earth takes a good deal of effort on Apophis' part? I don't think that it was a case of he didn't think it was worth is so much as he had to get around to it. Which, sure you can make the argument that ra just never got around it, but come on. That's so weak.