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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    Meh. I let this one slide because hey, it's more Stargate. I truly hope this was just a hype campaign. I am not spending a dime on upcoming SG if the next series is going to be an Origins v2 and as poor in both quality and content.

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    Stargate : Origins - Chaka sounds good.

    We will see what will they announce. It is exciting that finally something happens after so many years. Probably it will be "only" an Origins announcement. I can only hope that they are listening to the feedbacks and they will give them more money. And the SG:C crisis should be also sorted asap.
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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Stargate : Origins - Chaka sounds good.
    Yes! Let's have our own Hunas show with Chakas and Brownies!
    Pros: Save $$ on writers, Chaka can summarize any lines
    Cons: None? Get out of here.

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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    On the schedule for SDCC:

    Stargate Franchise: Creative Storytelling

    See the entire spectrum of Stargate franchise stories. The Stargate series, comics, books, games, and fan fiction have all contributed to the rich tapestry of the franchise, and there is more to come. Kieran Dickson will moderate a discussion with panelists Chris Judge, Darren Sumner, David Read, and more, as they share their creative process and behind-the-scenes stories.
    "Games", pff, yeah right. "Entire spectrum"; yeah, three shows, three movies and a series of novels. But no games and barely any worthwile comics; only the American Mythology comics are somewhat good, but not great.

    "There is more to come", but no indication of what, when and how. Seems to me it's just another discussion of the past, some hope for the future, and idyllic dreams of something that never will be.

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    Hopefully you will be wrong about it, but that is also a possibility that nothing will be announced. The only reason I believe they will do something as Origins was announced last year on the SDCC, so it would be logical to do the same this year to get the biggest marketing attention. Wait a second. Have I said logical? We are talking about MGM....
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    you know what would be cool, stargate origins, about the gate builders and thier psychology, warfare, rivalry, about thier inner dialogues,

    fighting, politics vs science vs practical needs, familie disputes and getting along with each other as a greater society, while dealing with other races and seeding the galaxies with gates, technologies, science and exploration,

    perhaps that was the original plan for stargate origins but hte budget was not available, it is called origins after all, after all everything about hte altarens and ancients has been shown to us by them, why not just set a whole show there,

    i would totally watch it if they did have a good plan for thier culture and interactions and stuff they did like building science and medicine and technology etc as well as biological genetic research on planets, creating dinosaurs etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    FH: I understand your feelings. We will see what they are willing to announce to please the fans. Just someone should directly ask this All-Access related question at San Diego, so we should find an American fan who would do it in the name of the international fans.
    I dare you to pose that question on the SGC feed -- especially interested how many will actually reply to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Platschu View Post
    Hopefully you will be wrong about it, but that is also a possibility that nothing will be announce. The only reason I believe they will do something as Origins was announced last year on the SDCC, so it would be logical to do the same this year to get the biggest marketing attention. Wait a second. Have I said logical? We are talking about MGM....
    They missed the boat on marketing last time -- they will miss it again this time, unless they fired their entire marketing department which I highly doubt. There was no marketing done on Command or Origins. Their press page has exactly one article, and I think they more or less hoped for word-of-mouth which is limited at best. It shows because people are simply not in the know that all-access is limited until you point it out (and then they downvote you for whining -- fun times). Most didn't even know Origins wasn't gonna be there in September but it had to be repeated over and over that it wasn't going to be there until 2018. Their marketing is appaling.

    You should check the Top 100 downloads on iTunes to see how well their marketing has worked so far. 2-3 weeks after the release of the feature cut and it's not even showing up there any more.
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    I do really want to see a physical release of Origins. I'd also love them to announce more seasons - I just hope they give it a bit more cash and don't ham-fist it into continuity as much as they did Catherine. There's room for this kind of exploration!

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    I doubt they'll throw more money at it than they have for Catherine. They see it works (or not, I don't know) and what better way to save on money than to continue this business model. Little to loose with little investment as possible.

    I'm not interested in their future dealings if it continues to be served up on Stargate Command behind a paywall and then everyone else get spoiled -- Stargate fans are simply not Marvel fans who followed Thanos when he demanded silence. That's what I absolutely hate the most, I think, about this whole thing -- even more than the paywall -- the fact that Stargate Command, Gateworld and every all-access member spoiled the crap out of Origins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    I doubt they'll throw more money at it than they have for Catherine. They see it works (or not, I don't know) and what better way to save on money than to continue this business model. Little to loose with little investment as possible.
    Basically going "Well it worked and we made X amount with Y budget, why bother trying for more next time?" doesn't make much sense, TV shows, movies, games etc increase budgets with sequels all the time despite success.

    Origins was supposedly a success. They now have an indication that they can put more money into it and it'll be worthwhile for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVoidDragon View Post
    Basically going "Well it worked and we made X amount with Y budget, why bother trying for more next time?" doesn't make much sense, TV shows, movies, games etc increase budgets with sequels all the time despite success.
    But this isn't the first in the franchise -- so different rules apply. Unless they really are going with a complete reboot.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheVoidDragon View Post
    Origins was supposedly a success. They now have an indication that they can put more money into it and it'll be worthwhile for them.
    "Supposedly" -- that's not very confident wording.

    I'm sure the view from the top is positive. The view from down below is not -- therefore I say, you'll likely get played some more. I'm sure enough fish will bite for them to keep the pace. Too bad it takes an ocean to make it work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    I'm sure enough fish will bite for them to keep the pace. Too bad it takes an ocean to make it work.
    Never underestimate your customers intelligence, especially Sci-Fi fans. The low-budget production will not work forever, as they have heard in the highly polarised feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    Never underestimate your customers intelligence, especially Sci-Fi fans. The low-budget production will not work forever, as they have heard in the highly polarised feedback.
    Yes, but we are rabid fans... so there's always someone going to bite. It's pretty much what they counted on when they started Stargate Command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    Yes, but we are rabid fans... so there's always someone going to bite. It's pretty much what they counted on when they started Stargate Command.
    True, but will it work a second time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    True, but will it work a second time?
    MGM's certainly counting on it working again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    The only thing I want is Stargate Origins: Catherine on DVD (and BluRay) with a bunch of extras -- audio commentaries, the making off, behind the scenes interviews and whatever else.

    Anything else, they can stick where the sun doesn't shine because all-access internationally beyond 6 countries is never going to happen. If they were ever "working" on that, it would have happened already. So **** them, and **** MGM!
    Is Origins getting a BD/DVD release?

    Elite Anubis Guard mentioned this above and it something I have always wondered. Why did they keep coming up with spin-off ideas that went in crazy directions instead of making the obvious choice of just following another SG Team? There are so many possibilities including, the one I would least like to see, the lost SG Team. You know the team that went through the gate to never be heard from again. As in many episodes all that needed to happen was they got caught up in something as soon as they reached the other side and were wrapped up in that for how ever long the show needed with no means of getting back to the SGC. It happened in many episodes. And there were episodes where they discussed lost SG Teams. Why not a whole series that followed SG-5 on adventures that were different from SG-1 with a different focus? I never understood why they always felt they need to go one up on everything they were dealing with when every time they stepped through that gate they could be facing unknown new adventures. But no we have to go to other galaxies and face new super villains because we think the current minor and major villains have grown stale. Now we need to go to another Universe where the villains can be the elements and each other. And I could go on, but the point was made. All they ever needed to do if they wanted to do something new was follow a different SG Team.

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    ...well... they could always broach the sg team that got ate by a black hole, or crushed by it, maybe some benevolent or curious race saved them, perhaps they can live within a blackhole as a safety zone with advanced shields, or maybe they can even create artificial blackholes around thier major capitals or ships

    i know i know.... that is virtually impossible, im just spouting what you mentioned, lost sg teams and how they could have survived, furlings could have saved them too since they managed to use the gatework perhaps furlings or some ancients have sensors that monitor every gate activation across the network? could finally do a furlings themed show or hte nox or ancients

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looney View Post
    Is Origins getting a BD/DVD release?
    Not as far as we know.

    The team behind the Stargate Command website/app/twitter/facebook page once replied to a tweet that they weren't going to release it as a DVD/BR but were looking at other options. Those other options were, obviously, the digital downloads.

    But as far as I am concerned, that's the only thing I want to hear at any of their stargate themed panels at SDCC -- the release of Stargate Origins: Catherine on DVD and BR with a boatload of extras to go with it. I have no qualms paying 20 euro for a DVD with all the bells and whistles on it. Not so much on one digital download with nothing else but the feature cut.

    Heck, I just bought the double disc DVD of Ark of Truth and Continuum, both discs containing extras -- and it cost me less than a digital download.
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    We don't know what they really want. Probably I said it before, I am still sad that we have never got more DVD movies. You know they have invested 5 (Ark of Truth) and 7 million dollars (Continuum), while they earned back 12 and 16 million dollars if I remember well. Maybe it is not a big money for the MGM, but so many independent studios would have been happy with such small incomes. How many business could say that they can earn back two times more what they have invested? Now we could have had already 20-30 DVD movies where they could have introduced the next new main characters who could be the the main characters in future spinoffs. But it has never happened. Honestly they could still make some offworld adventures, because they could tell a cool SG-1 story without the standing SGC set. Okay, the Atlantis would be a bit more problematic.. You know tell an Atlantis story without Atlantis, but offworld / Midway / spaceship related adventures could lead us back to the Pegasus galaxy.

    Anyway I don't feel the need that MGM will ever expand this franchise to its full potential as it could be really the next scifi franchise which could be built up by small projects, then new tv spinoffs, then DVD movies and then a bigger budget cinematic movie. But they need to plan ahead for such thinking.

    I believe they should open the "bible" of the SG shows and to create a few "eras" for future SG projects and fan fictions. That would be a guide for future SG projects and fan fictions. Like
    - Genesis era : arrival of the Ancients and the first proto type gate system in MW
    - Titan / Mythology era : forging to Great Four Alliance and then the extension of the first gate system in MW and around
    - Chaos : the fall of the Ancients and time while they away in Pegasus
    - Rome : the era when they have returned to Avalon
    - Camelot : the era of the second Great Alliance leaded by Merlin against the Goa'uld
    - Ra : Rise of the Goa'uld until the rebellion
    - SG-1 : The current timeline until the fall of the Goa'uld
    - Ori : the crusade against MW
    - current and future settings

    The audience is still waiting for more. And such little guidance could help us to imagine a story on a timeline. All settings would be slightly different, so new allies and enemies could dominate it, while most of them died, became extinct, hided, moved out, we could see their footmarks on planets. Imagine how many stories could be explained and how many nice stories could be discovered.

    * * *

    Other. What Origins stories would I tell?

    Stargate : Origins - Aiyana

    A little story what happened with the Ancient outpost in the south pole and how it was lost for humanity.
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ayiana

    Stargate : Origins - Omoroca
    What happened with her and her race in the ancient Babylon. What if Belos was Baal? Then his exhost could lead us into a new adventure.

    Stargate : Origins - Ra
    How the Goa'uld raised up from the planet of Unas.

    Stargate : Origins - Lya
    A Nox centric adventure about the past of the Four Great Alliance

    Stargate : Origins - Icarus
    How dr. Rush found the 9 chevron address.

    Stargate : Origins - Quetzalquatl
    A story about a Chrystal skull / arm / treasure in the Pegaus galaxy.

    Stargate : Origins - Iratus
    A Pegasus galaxy story about the creation of the first Wraith from a lost Ancient expedition

    Stargate : Origins - Vanir
    An Asgard story about the Vanir-Asgard conflict.

    Stargate : Origins - Midway
    The return of the expedition to the Pegasus galaxy.

    And so on....
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    The reason that there were no more DVD movies is because barely anyone buys them anymore (not to say no-one, since I still prefer DVD/BD to streaming). Some time before Resistance was supposed to start filming, MGM practically went bankrupt and the (Direct-To-)DVD market collapsed. In the early 2000's it was a thing for low-budget productions to release straight to DVD (which means, no theatrical release). MGM did that with Stargate because it would likely be too expensive to do a full theatrical release, and with their track record, marketing would probably have been so bad that the box office could not earn back the cost of everything.

    Now, Direct-To-DVD doesn't work anymore. Despite the obvious benefits of having your own physical storage to be able to watch the film/series any way you want and whenever you want, people prefer streaming. While there is still a market for physical releases, it's not enough as the only source of income.

    What MGM needs to do is the modern equivalent of Direct-To-DVD: Direct-To-Streaming (I came up with that one , probably not the only one). They actually already did that with Stargate Command, but once again their marketing and production skills lack. They should've partnered up with Netflix and get thousands/millions of dollars more by releasing it worldwide. Look at all those other productions, even those that aren't Netflix Original such as Star Trek Discovery, The Expanse and more (don't know all of the partnered productions).

    They can easily revive Resistance and Revolution (depending on the age and willingness of the actors, after all these years), but release it on streaming, like Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, and the like, instead of DVD.

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