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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    You should read their Fan Relationship Management page -- it's rather fascinating how they "use" you in a way.
    I will just copy it here as a warning :

    Own Your Fan

    The interactive fan communities generate massive amounts of detailed data. Unlike your page on the social networks, you will own this data forever. Capture demographic data including email addresses, genders, ages, and geographic locations. You’ll also capture psychographic data including a fan’s interests and opinions, and even their merchandise purchasing history.

    Personalized Fan Experience

    The Fan Relationship Management® system automatically learns each individual fan’s specific preferences and then tailors the content that fan sees in the community, so they will come back daily to get fresh content that they want to receive.

    Action the Data

    Use the Fan Relationship Management® interface to view your fan data, and build groups of similar fans based on specific demographic and psychographic criteria. Then send fans specific marketing messages or invitations using push notifications and emails.
    This marketing strategy is outrageous and disgusting. And they even write it down. No regrets, no hiding, nothing.
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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    When you sign up, always read the small print, the FAQ, the TOS and the PP. That way, you can't be surprised later.

    I read all of it, front to back, and back to front. Researched the firm that build the website and app, and had a hard time imagining them merging their datamining activities with the European GDPR rules which they are required to follow since the UK and Germany are part of the European Union.
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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    Guys let's be real, this kind of marketing is everywhere nowadays. The only difference now is that they have to tell you.

    FYI your smartphone listens to you all the time. Guess I'll go craft myself a tinfoil hat, see ya later.

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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    Guys let's be real, this kind of marketing is everywhere nowadays. The only difference now is that they have to tell you.
    You'd be surprised about that. In Europe we have the GDPR which explicitely dictates to companies that they have to warn or tell you that you could be or will be tracked. You have the option to opt in or out, at your own choice. You can ask a company to hand you all the details they have on you.

    The LA Times for example has chosen to not bother with European privacy laws so any European IP is blocked from their website. There are a couple of other websites that are no longer accessible for European IP's since the GDPR went into effect in May.

    I could send Stargate Command support a mail, asking them to list all the information they have on me. They are bound by law to do so.

    California has a similar privacy law and is even mentioned separetely on the privacy agreement. The rest of the US has different privacy laws in place which do not actually explicitely ask the company to inform you what you sign up to or what data they'll be sharing with third parties or mine themselves.
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    @FH Of course and its a good thing they do now. I was merely responding to Plat's comment:

    This marketing strategy is outrageous and disgusting. And they even write it down. No regrets, no hiding, nothing.
    Literally almost every companies do that, have been doing it for a LONG time and some have their business model centered around it. My point was that they just didn't tell you before, and shared the data with their business partners. Its a good thing that laws are changing now though.

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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    Literally almost every companies do that, have been doing it for a LONG time and some have their business model centered around it. My point was that they just didn't tell you before, and shared the data with their business partners. Its a good thing that laws are changing now though.
    As far as TopFan's model goes, this was known when Stargate Command first saw the light of day, but back then I was told to go take a hike when I dared to mention it.
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    Well, looks like the divide will continu to be bigger and wider. Was reading the FAQ, which a lot of the whiners should really do cause damn it never said lifetime.

    You're in luck Platschu -- when they finally get to that Tongal-thing, it's for all-access members only.

    What do I get for purchasing the All-Access Pass?

    * Stream the ultimate STARGATE library including all episodes of Origins, SG-1, Atlantis, Universe, as well as all three movies; Stargate (1994), Stargate: The Ark of Truth (2008), and Stargate: Continuum (2008).

    * Experience classic stories via curated arcs and integrated content along with the ultimate Stargate library.

    * Gain access to our comprehensive library of classic and NEW digital comics and E-Books (coming soon!).

    * Participate in the making of fan-driven content (coming soon!).

    Their "free" front is literally worth less than nothing basically.
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    To be honest, I'm in the camp of 'nothing to fear' in that type of data collection. You are volunteering information into the system by using it, and that information is used to tune the system to make it better for you as well as better for its owners. There's no value in targeting the 1, only in understanding how behavior fits people into groups or types, so that the system can be adjusted to those types.

    And don't quote Cambridge Analytica here -- that's a vastly different beast -- where they used person X's stupidity to target all the friends of person X, because person X willingly gave them all their friends identities.

    The bigger issue here is more a case of 'why on Earth should one bother with the platform, when it's a constant history of broken promises' -- if they really want people to use it, then give them something of value! Their target audience likely has the entire Stargate library anyway, so what's the point?

    MGM need to go in big, or get out, like CBS All-Access are doing, like Disney are doing. Invest in a high quality catalog of new material that is streaming only, and then charge people for it. Not a glorified fanfic like Origins, and a crappy thin veneer on a marketing platform that is SGC.

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    Default Re: MGM Open To More Stargate Depending on Success of Stargate Origins and SGC

    Quote Originally Posted by Langley_forum View Post
    The bigger issue here is more a case of 'why on Earth should one bother with the platform, when it's a constant history of broken promises' -- if they really want people to use it, then give them something of value! Their target audience likely has the entire Stargate library anyway, so what's the point?

    MGM need to go in big, or get out, like CBS All-Access are doing, like Disney are doing. Invest in a high quality catalog of new material that is streaming only, and then charge people for it. Not a glorified fanfic like Origins, and a crappy thin veneer on a marketing platform that is SGC.
    Word.

    Also agreed with the datamining part.
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