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    Hey everyone! Got a quick question for you all. I've written three novels about Stargate SG1, but someone told me the first one is a 'Mary-Sue' type of story. My question is what does that mean, and how do I fix my story so it isn't like that? Thanks in advance!

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    ALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.
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    I checked on the link you gave me, but I didn't quite understand it. Sorry!

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    ALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imzadi35 View Post
    Hey everyone! Got a quick question for you all. I've written three novels about Stargate SG1, but someone told me the first one is a 'Mary-Sue' type of story. My question is what does that mean, and how do I fix my story so it isn't like that? Thanks in advance!
    It means your character is too perfect. How you fix it is largely down to the story you want to tell. Mary sue stories can be good if it's a plot point, e.g. One Punch Man is about a man too powerful for his own good and is the ideal hero, so nobody actually believes what he does and everyone else runs with the credit. His own life is unfulfilling because nothing challenges him. And he doesn't fight his own injustices because it doesn't matter to him. If the day is saved, then that's fine.

    On the other hand, if you want to change it, i think the simplest way is to ask yourself, "how would an average joe react". A hero might gladly defeat anything on his path, but a regular person would likely avoid as many fights as he can. Disturbing experiences don't just go away. The character may recognize he has no stakes in this fight and may just abandon it.

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    Another thing to think about when it comes to Mary Sues and how to avoid them is how does the world interact with them. Often times the world is simply meant to serve their needs. The main characters that usually play the hero love them or hold them in high regard. Any one who dares defy the character is immediately bad as only bad people could dislike that character and will either suffer a terrible death or go through some sort of revelation that will cause them to love that character in the end like everyone else. Their skill sets are often far reaching and they can do just about everything to some degree. Any mistakes have little to no consequence. Events in the plot are simply meant to forward and advance how great these characters are.

    Alice in the RE films. All the characters from the game love her and whenever a fight breaks out, even if they hold their own at first, they always end up getting beaten then saved by Alice who then proceeds to finish the job. The world serves to show how awesome she is.

    Bella from Twilight. Practically every guy in the series is in love with her. Bella often makes stupid decisions that put herself in danger and every other character would proceed to put themselves in harms way for the sole purpose of protecting her for no reason aside form that they like her for reasons never told. The world serves her, everyone that isn't a bad guy loves her, and even her powers are strong enough to contend with everyone else's.

    Rey from...I'm gonna get flak for this...Rey from Force Awakens. She is probably the least Mary Sue and has more character than the previous two I've mentioned but she definitely shows a lot of the traits. She somehow has every skill in the book to the point she can outfly TIE fighters, go toe to toe in a lightsaber battle, she can already use the force to the point where she's ordering troopers around, she's an ingenious mechanic. All the original cast loves her: Hans, Chewie, Leia. THey do balance her out a bit by giving her both a learning arc and a plot point where she doesn't even want to deal with her force powers.


    Often times people avoid Mary Sues by creating "weaknesses" but I find that's an oversimplification of things. Characters don't have weaknesses. They have traits that cause problems under certain conditions. A leader that makes sure to listen to all sides could be secretly insecure and terrible at making their own judgement so when they lose their subordinates to take advise from, she ends up making bad decision. A scientist who is ingenious and highly analytical may be cold to other people to the point of even hated because he sees numbers, not people. What trait does your character have that could get on the nerves of either the reader or other characters? What skills do they not have and what positions are they sometimes put that their skill is bad in? What limits do they have on these skill sets? Are these limits actually shown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StargateMillennium View Post
    Rey from...I'm gonna get flak for this...Rey from Force Awakens. She is probably the least Mary Sue and has more character than the previous two I've mentioned but she definitely shows a lot of the traits. She somehow has every skill in the book to the point she can outfly TIE fighters, go toe to toe in a lightsaber battle, she can already use the force to the point where she's ordering troopers around, she's an ingenious mechanic. All the original cast loves her: Hans, Chewie, Leia. THey do balance her out a bit by giving her both a learning arc and a plot point where she doesn't even want to deal with her force powers.
    She's no less of a Sue than Luke though, a guy who was a farmer learns to use the Force in an afternoon and flies a fighter with such skill that only he can make the impossible hit, then makes the impossible hit by using the Force rather than his instruments even though he struggled to hit practice bots with his eyes closed.

    My point is, protagonist weirdness comes with the Star Wars genre. Fans have put in a ton of work to retroactively make sense of Star Wars, but we see Luke on screen running around with Yoda on his back and suddenly he's holding his own against Darth Vader. Rey on the other hand struggled with a heavily injured man who by all rights shouldn't even be alive, as Chewie's gun was shown one-shotting people.

    Then there's anakin, who flew Podracers as a chilld even though humans shouldn't be able to, was liked by everyone and by accident saved an entire planet because he landed an impossible critical hit.

    This is why people get flak for saying she's a Sue, since Luke and Anakin were basically ones themselves.

    Also, i think JJ even said that it's basically Star Wars tradition to start a trilogy with a strong force user on a desert planet, who gets dragged into the plot by droids.

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    ANother key for Mary Sue/Marty Stu....are they a long lost relative or friend? Daniels sister? Sam’s roommate? Jack’s cousin?

    Do they selflessly sacrifice to save the team who then go OTT to praise them? Are they just too good?

    One could argue that Daniel and even Sam in the early seasons had the mary sue thing going on.

    WHen you read the character do you think ‘yeah, the author is inserting themselves into this story’?

    Are they Colonel Makepeace that is there when he needs to be there? Or are they virtual nobodies that pop put of nowhere to become the center of the story? Do our heroes secretly admire the new character?

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    My character is an original AU character. If you'd like to read some of it so you see what I mean, here's a link to the story...
    https://spauli1.wordpress.com/fiction/second-chances/

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