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    I'm guessing, it'll be like Netflix. The first time you sign up, it's 7 euro a month (I think), but then comes the catch. Automatic renewal and all of a sudden you're paying 10 euro a month instead.

    So, 20 dollars -- possibly this could mean only the Stargate library. Valid until May 2018. If you still want access after that, you'll have to renew and possible pay more since you'll have access to the entire MGM library. There's no business model that grants you access to MGM's entire library for only 20 dollar a year.

    There's a catch coming -- there's always a catch.

    Especially since there are only 10 episodes of 10 minutes which do not last until May 2018, unless they only give you 1 frame at the time.

    US + 5 countries are the only ones able to access the content, so the rest of the "fans" are once again royally screwed. At least, there will be a download floating about soon enough.
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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    Guess what also helps, clicking the link to Press on the COmmand site:

    Planets Align: Stargate Command All Access Opens For Pre-Sale Ahead Of September 20th Launch For The 20th Anniversary of Stargate SG1-1

    Stargate Command will offer two forms of membership: a free version and an All Access paid membership. Fans will be able to download the Stargate Command app when the platform launches on September 20th. All Stargate Command members will receive a weekly newsletter featuring exclusive updates on the Stargate universe from experts and influencers and a wealth of interactive content through which the Stargate community can engage, including: fan forums, polls, quizzes and more. In addition to posting and commenting on the forums, members can create their own profiles and rise through the ranks at Stargate Command, all the way to the coveted “Ascension” level.
    And where does that leave Gateworld.net?
    This is the bloody fan forum -- always has been.

    In addition to the aformentioned content, Stargate Command All Access members will receive an incredible lineup of insider content and unprecedented access to the production of Stargate Origins, from development and pre-production through the show’s premiere. All Access members will also have the exclusive opportunity to stream each 10-minute episode of Stargate Origins, as well as enjoy the largest collection of Stargate content ever released in one place including Stargate SG-1, Stargate: Universe, Stargate: Atlantis, STARGATE (the motion picture), STARGATE: THE ARK OF TRUTH, STARGATE: CONTINUUM and video extras, with all material offered in High Definition (subject to availability). Additional benefits include a virtual seat in the writers’ room at various points in the scripting process, and an authentic, limited-edition digital version of the Stargate Origins pilot shooting script. The cost of All Access is a one-time fee of $20.00, which grants members access from the launch of Stargate Command through mid-May of 2018.
    Both paid and unpaid Stargate Command members will also get a sneak peek at Stargate Origins, including a weekly window into the show’s production and access to the first two episodes when the series premieres. Fans who purchase the All Access membership during the pre-sale period will receive an exclusive Stargate Origins limited edition T-shirt.

    Stargate Command will officially launch on iOS, Android, and online in the U.S. on September 20th All Access is now available for pre-sale in the U.S. at: stargatecommand.co. Stargate Command will be available worldwide through the iTunes Store and Google Play. Internationally, All Access will be available for purchase through app stores in the United Kingdom, Canada, Germany, Australia and New Zealand.
    Everyone can install the app, but all access is only available for aforementioned countries.
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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    Sadly, yet not surprisingly, I'm guessing MGM doesn't care about Gateworld. Perhaps in their minds the Stargate franchise has been allowed to run wild all these years and this is their way of trying to grab the horse by the reins.

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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    And where does that leave Gateworld.net?
    This is the bloody fan forum -- always has been.
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    I'm 1,000% behind the new "Stargate Command" project, but I really appreciate this sentiment. GW has been here for nearly 18 years, through the rise and fall of multiple official Stargate sites. And we've built a home for thousands of fans around the world, with a depth of content (if I may say so) unparalleled by any site in our category.

    That said, I don't at all begrudge the studio for getting their ducks in a row and finally doing something awesome online with all their Stargate material. But there will always be things they can't (or won't) do, always room for a fan site like ours to co-exist and maintain our own niche.

    And MGM has been incredibly supportive of GateWorld over the years, and now with the impending launch of Stargate Command. I hope that what proves to be true is that there is plenty of space online -- and in the hearts of Stargate fans! -- for both unofficial and official communities and content.

    But I will defend GateWorld against language that suggests that there was some "need" for a Stargate community, news, and content that didn't exist on the Internet.


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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    Official forums are never as good as fan-run ones IMHO. They receive less care and proper moderation. I'll still continue to come here first for my news and etc. And $20 is nothing. I'm happy to throw-out a one-time payment for the content.

    It's a little disappointing that Origins is behind that paywall, though. I know there's people out there who will be vehemently against that kind of restriction and I don't think it'll work great to bring mass appeal to the series or really revitalise the interest in the franchise.

    I wish that t-shirt was an international deal, though. Oh, well.

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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    FYI -- Gateworld is my Stargate home! And will always be my (dysfunctional) Stargate family!

    There, I said it.
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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Anubis Guard View Post
    It's a little disappointing that Origins is behind that paywall, though. I know there's people out there who will be vehemently against that kind of restriction and I don't think it'll work great to bring mass appeal to the series or really revitalise the interest in the franchise.
    But we already knew that would be behind a pay-wall, so that's no surprise.

    I'm especially disappointed that there's other content they want to stick behind a pay-wall inaccessible to international fans (not citizens of the 5 countries that do have access). They are literally creating an elite group and we all know that the "true fan" is a can of worms nobody wants to open again.

    There's a good bet, that it will probably also get you perks in the "free sections" which will only create an even bigger schasm between the haves and the have-nots.
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    This is a scandal that MGM believes the fans of 6 countries can maintain the new SG:C website and even the Stargate : Origins while everyone else can't access it. Disgusting.
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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    Which are the 5 another countries that can access the content? I know it is not mine, of course, but where can we see that info?

    Why they didn't asked about our region when we suscribe to stargate command newsletter? I don't like having notifications that i can access Stargate when i can't.

    So disappointing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nozomi View Post
    Which are the 5 another countries that can access the content? I know it is not mine, of course, but where can we see that info?

    Why they didn't asked about our region when we suscribe to stargate command newsletter? I don't like having notifications that i can access Stargate when i can't.

    So disappointing...
    It's all on the Stargatecommand webpage.

    The 5 countries are the United States (obviously), the UK, Australia & New Zealand, Canada and Germany. They have access to the paid content (the "exclusive" Origins T-shirt is US only).

    You will still have access to the first 20 minutes which will be offered for free, the other 80 disappear behind the pay-wall.

    You will also have access to the app which you can download from the app-stores. However, you will still be locked out of the extras which are exclusive members-only.

    You will also have access the forums, quizzes and polls. And you can work your way up to "Ascended" level, whatever that may be. I have a feeling that as a paid member you'll be there quicker than when you're on a free account.

    Edit:

    Also not too unimportant for those who believe they will only have to pay that 20 dollar once:

    What is the Stargate Command All-Access Pass?

    All-Access is the membership tier of Stargate Command, offering fans ultimate access to Stargate Command. By purchasing the All-Access Pass, you will have exclusive content at your fingertips, which you may access and use on up to 3 devices over the entire access period. All-Access starts on September 20, 2017 and ends on May 15, 2018. After May 15, 2018, the All-Access content will no longer be available through your All-Access Pass, but you will still be a member of the Stargate Command community, which will continue.
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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    "All-Access" membership is open to the U.S., U.K., Canada, Germany, Australia, and New Zealand. These are likely the franchise's largest markets, FWIW.

    I'm not encouraging anybody to do anything crazy, but I pay $3/month for my VPN service. It has a handy country picker.


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    Sometimes VPN's do come in handy -- if only I remembered I have it as an add-on.
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    I may be wrong of course, but aren't streaming services supposed to be equal throughout the EU, since about this or last year? Or does that only apply to Netflix?

    I can't imagine Germany and the UK have a bigger fanbase than other European countries, let alone six countries out of the whole world. Six countries is hardly enough to gauge interest and make sufficient profit, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivao View Post
    I may be wrong of course, but aren't streaming services supposed to be equal throughout the EU, since about this or last year? Or does that only apply to Netflix?

    I can't imagine Germany and the UK have a bigger fanbase than other European countries, let alone six countries out of the whole world. Six countries is hardly enough to gauge interest and make sufficient profit, isn't it?
    It's about licensing and broadcasting fees. It's about contracts and money.

    The size of the fanbase has very little to do with it, that's just a party line.

    Here you go, an article to explain it:

    Here's How The TV Business Actually Works (And Why It's Going To Take Longer Than You Think To Disrupt It)
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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    FYI -- Gateworld is my Stargate home! And will always be my (dysfunctional) Stargate family!

    There, I said it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    It's about licensing and broadcasting fees. It's about contracts and money.

    The size of the fanbase has very little to do with it, that's just a party line.

    Here you go, an article to explain it:

    Here's How The TV Business Actually Works (And Why It's Going To Take Longer Than You Think To Disrupt It)
    Yes, I know, but why doesn't the fanbase size matter? I mean, it's basic math: more fans = more money, right? Six countries vs. sixty = more viewers = more money, right? This is the exact same problem that caused Stargate to remain a niche show and not get the fanbase (and thus money, and thus have a much bigger franchise) that it could have had. MGM did not market it properly, so they don't nearly get as much money as they should be able to. This is probably the biggest anachronism if we have to believe the way the TV business actually works. If it's all about the money, they're making sure they get very little of it.

    There are no broadcasting fees and licensing, because MGM is streaming it themselves. They don't have to license it out to anyone, and there is no TV channel or streaming service like Netflix that is going to broadcast it. All they need to do is trademark "Stargate Command" in the countries (or in the EU itself, as that automatically takes care of all EU countries), then register the service for taxes and payment services and the like. Sure, that costs money, but it will earn a lot more in return.

    Then there's the law. Yes, I know it sounds kind of naive, a big company actually following the law, but there are those laws that says streaming content should be equal throughout the EU.

    If we simply have to believe MGM's reasons for setting this up, and if we have to believe how TV "really" works, then it's not working. The way I see it, I can't register for it. Even if I wanted to, which I actually did, I couldn't give MGM my money. And I'm definitely not the only one. So, by that statement, they're actually losing out on a lot more money than what they're actually getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivao View Post
    Yes, I know, but why doesn't the fanbase size matter? I mean, it's basic math: more fans = more money, right? Six countries vs. sixty = more viewers = more money, right?
    Nope.
    It's -advertising- that pays for things, not just eyeballs. Your +3 viewers -might- see parts of the ads, your +7 viewers will skip them at a speed where you miss most of it, and your "online viewers" will cut them out entirely. If your show picks up tons of later views, it is popular, just not -must see- even with ads, and that does not cut it.
    This is the exact same problem that caused Stargate to remain a niche show and not get the fanbase (and thus money, and thus have a much bigger franchise) that it could have had. MGM did not market it properly, so they don't nearly get as much money as they should be able to. This is probably the biggest anachronism if we have to believe the way the TV business actually works. If it's all about the money, they're making sure they get very little of it.
    I see what you are saying, I'm just not sure if I totally agree. it's not that they want to make less, it's just that they failed to capitalize on it as well as they could.
    There are no broadcasting fees and licensing, because MGM is streaming it themselves. They don't have to license it out to anyone, and there is no TV channel or streaming service like Netflix that is going to broadcast it. All they need to do is trademark "Stargate Command" in the countries (or in the EU itself, as that automatically takes care of all EU countries), then register the service for taxes and payment services and the like. Sure, that costs money, but it will earn a lot more in return.
    There is little evidence that the "earning" will outweigh the cost, that's pure fan thinking. Economic thinking will trump fan thinking every day and twice on sundays.
    Then there's the law. Yes, I know it sounds kind of naive, a big company actually following the law, but there are those laws that says streaming content should be equal throughout the EU.
    Not sure what point you are making here.
    If we simply have to believe MGM's reasons for setting this up, and if we have to believe how TV "really" works, then it's not working.
    Yet, it does.
    The way I see it, I can't register for it. Even if I wanted to, which I actually did, I couldn't give MGM my money. And I'm definitely not the only one. So, by that statement, they're actually losing out on a lot more money than what they're actually getting.
    Exactly how much money were you personally planning to give?
    You are making fan assumptions, that because -you- like it, other people will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nivao View Post
    Yes, I know, but why doesn't the fanbase size matter? I mean, it's basic math: more fans = more money, right?
    The part you're forgetting is that more fans doesn't mean more paying fans.
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    I see what you are saying, I'm just not sure if I totally agree. it's not that they want to make less, it's just that they failed to capitalize on it as well as they could.
    Everything comes with a risk, and i think it's evident that MGM wasn't quite willing to take super-huge risks with the Stargate franchise. Although, in a sense, SGU was probably the biggest risk they took. But according to Mallozzi and co, TPTB were quite lenient when it came to the budget, and Stargate was a fairly safe investment for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Exactly how much money were you personally planning to give?
    20$ (US) -- I estimate the price to be the same in Pound Sterling (15,44 £), Euro (16,85 €), Canadian dollar (24,79 $) and Australian (25 $) & NZ dollar (27,94 $).

    For a 9-month All-Access pass which expires on May 15, 2018.
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    Default Re: MGM Announces New Original Series "Stargate Origins"

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    But we already knew that would be behind a pay-wall, so that's no surprise.
    I know. It was more a comment directed at the price being next to nothing but because there's still a price, I'm sure plenty of people will still be annoyed.

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