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    So I've been thinking about getting the SGA "Back To Pegasus" comics and/or the Fandemonium Legacy series and I understand that they both continue the series after season 5.

    Do they contradict each other, tell the same story, or tell different stories that are in harmony? If they do contradict is one "more canon" than the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Master_Bra'tac View Post
    So I've been thinking about getting the SGA "Back To Pegasus" comics and/or the Fandemonium Legacy series and I understand that they both continue the series after season 5.

    Do they contradict each other, tell the same story, or tell different stories that are in harmony? If they do contradict is one "more canon" than the other?
    The comics and Legacy novels are two different continuities. Neither are canon. Canon is only onscreen content: TV episodes and movies. But -- since new onscreen content doesn't seem to be coming anytime in the foreseeable future -- feel free to make either the comic series or the novels your own "official" continuation of the show. One of the few benefits of a franchise you love no longer producing fresh content is being able to choose between conflicting tie-in stories, audio dramas, fanfic, or whatever gets a fan through the Wilderness Years.

    Personal continuities (or, "head canon," if you prefer) are great things and fun thought-experiments.

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    Get them both. They are 2 different story lines, each enjoyable so far and each licensed and edited by MGM (but agreed with Lorne about canon status).
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    Aye, get them both. I've been getting all the Fandy novels since SG1 #2 and there's one or two stinkers but I've largely enjoyed them. I really enjoyed the Legacy series.

    I'm not particularly a fan of tie-ins but I picked up and supported the new series on Kickstarter and I've actually been enjoying them.

    I'd suggest picking them up both.

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    Has anyone read the latest comic, "Hearts and Minds" #1? I have to admit I'm not that thrilled with the direction the story is going in.

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    The thing with Chuck and Walter ... what the hell was that? That has literally never happened in the show before. I really don't like that and it took up so much time in the issue.


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    I'm getting annoyed with Janus now. What is going on? He was kind of an enigma in the show, so to now have him as an antagonist in control of the alternate reality aliens ("greyliens" as I like to call them) is so jarring to me.


    I realise it's a limitation of the comic format but the story is moving too slowly for my liking. Characterisations and likenesses are done well enough, but I'm wanting more from the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Hive View Post
    That has literally never happened in the show before.
    That side story was confusing for me, because of
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    the use of the name Wilson on page 8. Is that supposed to be Chuck's surname then? His entry on Wikia doesn't give a surname. http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Chuck There also isn't an entry for any character named "Wilson."


    Quote Originally Posted by Super Hive View Post
    I realise it's a limitation of the comic format but the story is moving too slowly for my liking. Characterisations and likenesses are done well enough, but I'm wanting more from the story.
    I still like the comics and story a lot, but the delays in their releases have been inconvenient. At least with Legacy, to those who are new to both the books and comics, the books are already published and all ready to go (unless new books are created).
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    I've only just realised I posted that in the completely wrong thread, my apologies!

    I think Wilson is a reference to the film "Castaway" where the main character is marooned on an island by himself and finds a football and calls it Wilson to keep him company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Hive View Post
    I've only just realised I posted that in the completely wrong thread, my apologies!

    I think Wilson is a reference to the film "Castaway" where the main character is marooned on an island by himself and finds a football and calls it Wilson to keep him company.
    Thanks for explaining the Wilson reference.
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    Maybe Janus is the cause of Chuck and Walter getting stranded? By the growth on their beards, it seems time is sped up there, similar to how John experienced in "Epiphany," suggesting Ancient tech.


    Your comments seem to fit here too, in comparing and contrasting the books and comics, such as
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    the use of a familiar supporting character in the comics as the main villain. The Legacy books used the tactic of making an OC as the main villain and thus avoided such controversies in characterization. Maybe the comics could have used an OC Ancient, such as whoever made the game in "The Game"-- those Ancients seemed to have seen the game followers as "resources" and would fit the personality and dialogue of what this version of Janus is saying and doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorne View Post
    Neither are canon. Canon is only onscreen content:
    Wait, neither are canon?

    Can I have a source on this?

    (I'm not arguing, I've just ended up getting a lectured like I'm a little kid about how the books are TOTALLY UNQUESTIONABLY TRUE one another stargate forum, ao now I don't know what to think)
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    All are PG-13, each with a single act of rated R violence. Adults situations and other, tamer violence.

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    The books and comics are canon in that they are officially endorsed by MGM. they are not necessarily canon to the shows in the eyes of the show runners/writers/etc but they don't own the property, MGM does

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightsyder View Post
    The books and comics are canon in that they are officially endorsed by MGM. they are not necessarily canon to the shows in the eyes of the show runners/writers/etc but they don't own the property, MGM does
    Someone told me the books were canon, the comics were not. I don't have the quote they used, as I left the discord they were on as they were extremely preachy about it (and rather demeaning). I think it was from Stargate tabletop books or something.

    Do you have a quote, because this flies in the face of what they said.
    Price for Pain What do you mean violence isn't the answer?

    Burn It All Away Blood moves the heavens. Fire purifies the land. Legends change worlds. Destiny burns.

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    All are PG-13, each with a single act of rated R violence. Adults situations and other, tamer violence.

    Ficta voluptatis causa sint proxima veris


    I'm creating a fan comic and I want input from as many fans as possible. Please PM me if you want the discord link. You can also chat, show off your own creations, and rp.

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    There isn't really anything to quote. MGM has authorized to canon sequels to SGA that do not exist in the sane "universe".

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    Also the table top books do not reference the legacy novels as they came out years before

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightsyder View Post
    The books and comics are canon in that they are officially endorsed by MGM. they are not necessarily canon to the shows in the eyes of the show runners/writers/etc but they don't own the property, MGM does
    They are not canon. MGM has a say in what happens to characters and how they are portrayed but nothing more. You can literally do whatever you like with them, so long as you don't cross any lines they would not like to see crossed.

    For example, I'm fairly sure they would never allow a comic or tie-in, or whatever, novel where Jack and Daniel are a happy couple, enjoying life after SG-1.

    MGM doesn't endorse these books or comics as canon, they simply sell an official license to a publisher like Fandemonium and/or American Mythology to do with as they please (withing the limits set by MGM of course).
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    As far as I understand it MGM approving what they like makes it canon. Not necessarily canon to what the original show creators intended but still canon as it is official licensed. Of course MGM makes no real statements on canon material and if they ever decide to do more shows they'll certainly do their own thing and ignore the comics and novels. Much as the TV shows ignored the intended ideas of the original movie creators. Talk of canonicity is dangerous territory

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightsyder View Post
    Also the table top books do not reference the legacy novels as they came out years before
    God to know. I'm sorry I can't find you the actual quote, I left hte discord. Reasons why are stated bewlow the next quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by lightsyder View Post
    As far as I understand it MGM approving what they like makes it canon. Not necessarily canon to what the original show creators intended but still canon as it is official licensed. Of course MGM makes no real statements on canon material and if they ever decide to do more shows they'll certainly do their own thing and ignore the comics and novels. Much as the TV shows ignored the intended ideas of the original movie creators. Talk of canonicity is dangerous territory
    The person on the stargate discord had a quote, but I don't have it to copy, nor do I know the exact source, sorry. The quote was how the novels were canon, but the comics were not. Tlaking about canonicity to them may not be physically dangerous, but they will treat you like a child until you leave or acquiesce to their personal view that canon is sacred (yes, literally), and that you cannot use the label 'canon' unless you use everything cnaon, including the books, movies, and any spin-off material they cna find a quote about bieng 'truly' canon. To them, there is no 'canon up to a certain point'. also, canon is not debateable (apparently there is only one answer to 'did Jet die' according to them.

    By the way, thank you for the civlity of this discourse. Its' a huge contrast to the discord and this conversation is much more enjoyable. I hope it continues.

    Also, i appologize for my typos.
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    All are PG-13, each with a single act of rated R violence. Adults situations and other, tamer violence.

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    Canon is a touchy subject I guess. It would help if MGM tried to unify stuff but I didn't that will ever happen

    And you are welcome and no worries on typos!
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    Comics are fun but kind of have the same prob as the show in later seasons where they are just cramming to much stuff into the plots. ...and kind of tired of "Its all the Ancients Fault" scenario.
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    Agreed, both SGA & SGU felt way to rushed. I'm hoping if they do more they adjust the pace a little. It kinda felt like they were just trying to wrap it all up and be done with it, especially with SGU

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    @Lightsyder

    Canon is simple: that which was shown on TV within the universe created by Brad Wright and Co.

    Stargate 1994 has its own canon, so does Origins. And so do the comics and the books.

    Fanfics follow canon, or don't... or twist and turn canon but they are not TV-canon.

    They're all in the same stargate universe, each with their own canon.

    I will ignore the comics and books as canon. They are official fanfic to me.
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