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    Apollo 11 and frustration with beloved programs

    Hi,

    I started to reply to the thread about why SG(x) seemed to be ignored. With the canceling of NASA manned spacecraft by Obama, What will become of NASA and the Federal sponsorship of manned space exploration.

    I recently posted the following on my neighborhood forum site.

    It is something from real life that parallels the SG(x) frustration we all feel and has also been felt by Star Trek and Doctor Who fans as well.

    I'm not sure where to post this thread. Feel free to redirect it.

    Doug vV

    my recent post about NASA
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    Hi,

    Dad worked for Lowe Engineers as a vice president - engineering here in Atlanta. A fellow co-worker at Lowe knew a fellow who had a townhouse near Titusville, FL. Dad and Mom were always bird watchers and had us in Florida to see the launch of Gemini 6 and many unmanned launches. As a side note, Gemini 6 had troubles on the pad Gemini 7 launched first and the press touted the first two manned spacecraft in orbit at one time (when Gemini 6 launched a few days later) as the flight of 76.

    Back to Apollo 11, we went down and stayed in the Titusville townhouse (the traffic jam was predicted to be almost gridlock - almost unknown anywhere in the US in 1969. We got out to the beach on one of the Banana River inlets (the Banana River was actually the series waterways between the Ocean front islands and the mainland one branch is the Intercoastal Waterway). I think it was the causeway to the main entrance to Cape Kennedy.

    Knowing space would be at a premium, we got out to claim a beach spot early (about when the sun broke the horizon. The inlet gave a beautiful view of of the Apollo-Saturn V on the launch pad. It was early morning. We had a picnic hamper for sandwiches and snacks in the station wagon. The portable radio kept us informed. we played in the sand (I was 13 and my sister was 10). The mosquitoes got bad and soon some bi-planes were flying over the beaches spraying for the little buggers. With the cloud of "smoke" trailing the bi-plane and the popular song of the time being Snoopy and the Red Baron, we dubbed the plane Snoopy. Somewhere I have Super 8 movies of the day. As 9:32 AM came, Apollo 11 launched in a brilliant torch flame and smoke. It was an indescribable experience.

    We then had a one week vacation in Florida (pre-Disney World) and drove down to Key West and back.

    When I graduated from Georgia Tech in September 1980, I got a job in Houston Texas. I was laid off in 1982 and I returned to Atlanta to see about moving back. I saw my Dad for about a week just a week before he died. He knew I had landed a job with Ford Aerospace working in Mission Control Houston/Clear Lake City.

    I worked for Ford Aerospace in Mission Control during Space Shuttle missions 5 and 6. Complications with Mom and money caused me to leave Houston and return to Atlanta in the spring of 1983. I had no idea I would work in Mission Control when I saw Apollo 11 launch in 1969 and it was like closing a loop when I got hired on there.

    I hope you enjoy this.

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    Hi,

    When Apollo 17 (which I saw launch) ended the Apollo lunar space program in December 1972, the Space Transportation System was envisioned as the next step into space.

    One part of the STS was the Space Shuttle. Was successful.

    The second part of the system was a US space station. Canceled.

    The third part was to be a LEO (Low Earth Orbit) to Lunar surface transport. Canceled.

    The forth part was a manned Moonbase. The Moonbase was to be the core of a government/private manufacturing system. One of the stimuli for Moonbase was a planned mars spacecraft manufacturing effort. Canceled.

    I fully expected (in the early 1970s) that commercial private citizen travel to the Moon would be available by 2000.

    Considering that the New World was known about about 1000 by the Norsemen, in the 1400s starting with the incorrectly but accepted falsehood that Columbus discovered Ohio (VBG), and Saint Augustine, FL being founded in 1565 - I hope we as a species (Human) do not wait until 2069 to push forth.

    Looked at another way, the first transcontinental railroad was completed in May 1869. The first manned moon landing in July 1969. Does this mean we will make the first Lunar colony in 2069 and the first manned exploration in 2169?

    Sad Sad Sad

    Doug vV
    Last edited by edgarcorny; 24 March 2017, 05:43 AM.

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    Originally posted by edgarcorny View Post
    With the canceling of NASA manned spacecraft by Obama, What will become of NASA and the Federal sponsorship of manned space exploration
    The retirement of the space shuttle program was decided upon by the GWB Administration as part of their "Vision for Space Exploration" proposal, in early 2004 (about a year after Columbia).

    Also worth noting that the program was originally only supposed to last 15 years, but ended up lasting for 30.
    "A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life

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      Hi,

      You might be right about the Space Shuttle planned life. It was my understanding that it was a 20 year program (not 15) but I might be just as wrong as you might be. It did serve 31 years.

      As for Obama, the history I recall (and I might be wrong) was that Bush 43 was looking to replace the space shuttle with a new program. The Shuttle was extended (for among many factors, one being) due to the International Space Station.

      As I recall, Obama made a statement to the head of NASA to report Muslim Engineering accomplishments to the public to put Muslims in a good light. The head of NASA said he could not put one race, creede or religion before another as Obama wanted. 10-14 days after that public announcement, Obama announced the immediate end of Space Shuttle flights. It was extended one or two flights due to international agreements but some of the last flights the US had intended to use the Space Shuttle for were sent up on Russian craft with US paying for it.

      As for the planned Bush 43 replacement for the Space Shuttle, they went back and started over from scratch. Since the last Shuttle flights were flown with much more powerful laptop computers as a secondary item compared to the five IBM 370 mainframes used in the original design, I was always wondering why they did not keep the Space Shuttle basic air frame and update the electronics and the heat tiles and the applications thereof. Fix the known problems instead of starting from scratch like (for instance) Microsoft did with Vista.

      In my opinion, an evolutionary path would have been better.

      My point of view only.

      Doug vV

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