Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Anubis

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Anubis

    One thing I don't get about Anubis. He was "1/2" ascended and the others allowed to do only the things he could've done as a regular goa'uld, right? Well, when he discovered the ancient dna device he used on Khalek, why didn't he descend himself and use it on himself. That way he could've fully ascended without the help of Oma and apparently the others would've have stopped him. They themselves used a similar machine on Atlantis to ascend after all. Plus they didn't interfere with his plans with Khalek after all, so it makes more sense that he would've used it on himself.

    #2
    whoops, should've put this in the SG-1 section, sorry

    Comment


      #3
      No worries!

      Just moved the thread,and left a redirect,so hopefully you'll get some replies soon.
      The place to "Gate" to during Outages for updates and info:

      Comment


        #4
        NOBODY has any opinions on this? Come on people

        Comment


          #5
          Anubis' half-form was the best of both worlds: the benefits of ascension (effectively immortal) without the downsides (having to play by the rules).

          Ascending himself would be the dumbest thing he could do.

          Comment


            #6
            Originally posted by thekillman View Post
            Anubis' half-form was the best of both worlds: the benefits of ascension (effectively immortal) without the downsides (having to play by the rules).

            Ascending himself would be the dumbest thing he could do.
            Anubis had to "play by the rules" because the others sent him back only 1/2 way. Remember in Lockdown when Daniel said that Anubis could only do the things he normally could've done as a regular goa'uld. Anything outside that would've incurred the wrath of the others. Being fully ascended he could'e effectively gone anywhere and done anything. He wouldn't need a body to escape earth since a fully ascended would've just activated the gate and went through it.

            Comment


              #7
              Originally posted by Bhousden View Post
              Anubis had to "play by the rules" because the others sent him back only 1/2 way. Remember in Lockdown when Daniel said that Anubis could only do the things he normally could've done as a regular goa'uld. Anything outside that would've incurred the wrath of the others. Being fully ascended he could'e effectively gone anywhere and done anything. He wouldn't need a body to escape earth since a fully ascended would've just activated the gate and went through it.
              He would have to play by the rules of the Ascended, and rule numero uno is "Do not interfere"

              Comment


                #8
                Originally posted by thekillman View Post
                He would have to play by the rules of the Ascended, and rule numero uno is "Do not interfere"
                You seem to forget the ascended beings that lived outside the rules. Orlin for one, Oma, Merlin, and well pretty much all the Ori.

                Comment


                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bhousden View Post
                  You seem to forget the ascended beings that lived outside the rules. Orlin for one, Oma, Merlin, and well pretty much all the Ori.
                  Except they didn't live outside the rules (except the ori, but they do not live in our galaxy). Orlin was punished by the Ancients for his interference. Merlin was kept under supervision but the Ancients did realize they needed a weapon against the ori. Oma Desala was punished for her interference.

                  In these cases low-level interference was allowed because it didn't weigh against their punishment.

                  Anubis was already in the sweet spot he wanted: He has ascended powers in the form of immortality and being an energy creature, yet is free to do as he wants.

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Originally posted by thekillman View Post
                    Anubis was already in the sweet spot he wanted: He has ascended powers in the form of immortality and being an energy creature, yet is free to do as he wants.
                    If that was true, why didn't he just activate the stargate in SGC as an ascended being and leave? Why did he need a body?

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bhousden View Post
                      If that was true, why didn't he just activate the stargate in SGC as an ascended being and leave? Why did he need a body?
                      It seems that Ascended cannot exist in our plane of existence for extended periods of time. It's difficult to tell since actual Ascended never stayed for more than a brief moment.

                      Even so, Anubis wasn't fully bound to his Goa'uld origins, as he could develop much more powerful shields and weapons than other goa'uld and was able to develop things like mind probes to download asgard information. It seemed like it was bound to a theoretical and not an actual limit.

                      But like i said: If anubis ascended again he'd have to play by the rules of the Ascended. One can argue that his plan was to enact something similar to the Ori: Having people worship him to gain enough power to challenge the Ascended, since the Khalek cannot be controlled apparently and i don't think he would like sharing power. Alternatively, with some time, he could've figured out a solution in some other way, like travelling far away enough that the Ascended may not be troubled by his actions. After all, he still had all his Ascended knowledge: he just couldn't act upon it unless he would've known such things as a goa'uld.

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Originally posted by thekillman View Post
                        It seems that Ascended cannot exist in our plane of existence for extended periods of time. It's difficult to tell since actual Ascended never stayed for more than a brief moment.

                        Even so, Anubis wasn't fully bound to his Goa'uld origins, as he could develop much more powerful shields and weapons than other goa'uld and was able to develop things like mind probes to download asgard information. It seemed like it was bound to a theoretical and not an actual limit.

                        But like i said: If anubis ascended again he'd have to play by the rules of the Ascended. One can argue that his plan was to enact something similar to the Ori: Having people worship him to gain enough power to challenge the Ascended, since the Khalek cannot be controlled apparently and i don't think he would like sharing power. Alternatively, with some time, he could've figured out a solution in some other way, like travelling far away enough that the Ascended may not be troubled by his actions. After all, he still had all his Ascended knowledge: he just couldn't act upon it unless he would've known such things as a goa'uld.
                        Wait, if that was so, then why didn't the ancients stop him from using the weapon he found in Redemption when he tried to blow up the Earth stargate. Anubis knew it was an ancient weapon, he obviously knew what it did and how to activate it. Seemingly from knowledge he had of it as an ascended being, and yet it was activated and it was only by sheer luck O'Neill managed to hitch it to a 302 and fly it away that saved earth. Ascended ancients don't seem to have a problem existing on our plain for brief moments either, Shifu shoots that theory down. He was able to exist for an entire episode in "humnan" form, and so was the ancient from Sanctuary who came to Atlantis with John.

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bhousden View Post
                          Wait, if that was so, then why didn't the ancients stop him from using the weapon he found in Redemption when he tried to blow up the Earth stargate. Anubis knew it was an ancient weapon, he obviously knew what it did and how to activate it. Seemingly from knowledge he had of it as an ascended being, and yet it was activated and it was only by sheer luck O'Neill managed to hitch it to a 302 and fly it away that saved earth.
                          Anubis could've found it as a goa'uld and figured out how to use it. Same goes for his mothership which used the Goa'uld eyes, eyes which the Goa'uld could've figured out. Hence the "theoretical" limit.

                          Originally posted by Bhousden View Post
                          Ascended ancients don't seem to have a problem existing on our plain for brief moments either, Shifu shoots that theory down. He was able to exist for an entire episode in "human" form, and so was the ancient from Sanctuary who came to Atlantis with John.
                          Both cases are very short-term compared to Anubis' many years in (partial)ascended form. We know that the woman from Sanctuary lived away from others so she could probably return to the Ascended realm to recharge, and Shifu was on earth for an undetermined amount of time but certainly not years.

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Another thing everybody seems to have forgotten here is that Anubis can't be "dead" or ascended since he was one of Ra's Jaffa in the original movie

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bhousden View Post
                              Another thing everybody seems to have forgotten here is that Anubis can't be "dead" or ascended since he was one of Ra's Jaffa in the original movie
                              It was not the actual goa'uld.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X