One thing I don't get about Anubis. He was "1/2" ascended and the others allowed to do only the things he could've done as a regular goa'uld, right? Well, when he discovered the ancient dna device he used on Khalek, why didn't he descend himself and use it on himself. That way he could've fully ascended without the help of Oma and apparently the others would've have stopped him. They themselves used a similar machine on Atlantis to ascend after all. Plus they didn't interfere with his plans with Khalek after all, so it makes more sense that he would've used it on himself.
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Originally posted by thekillman View PostAnubis' half-form was the best of both worlds: the benefits of ascension (effectively immortal) without the downsides (having to play by the rules).
Ascending himself would be the dumbest thing he could do.
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Originally posted by Bhousden View PostAnubis had to "play by the rules" because the others sent him back only 1/2 way. Remember in Lockdown when Daniel said that Anubis could only do the things he normally could've done as a regular goa'uld. Anything outside that would've incurred the wrath of the others. Being fully ascended he could'e effectively gone anywhere and done anything. He wouldn't need a body to escape earth since a fully ascended would've just activated the gate and went through it.
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Originally posted by Bhousden View PostYou seem to forget the ascended beings that lived outside the rules. Orlin for one, Oma, Merlin, and well pretty much all the Ori.
In these cases low-level interference was allowed because it didn't weigh against their punishment.
Anubis was already in the sweet spot he wanted: He has ascended powers in the form of immortality and being an energy creature, yet is free to do as he wants.
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Originally posted by thekillman View PostAnubis was already in the sweet spot he wanted: He has ascended powers in the form of immortality and being an energy creature, yet is free to do as he wants.
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Originally posted by Bhousden View PostIf that was true, why didn't he just activate the stargate in SGC as an ascended being and leave? Why did he need a body?
Even so, Anubis wasn't fully bound to his Goa'uld origins, as he could develop much more powerful shields and weapons than other goa'uld and was able to develop things like mind probes to download asgard information. It seemed like it was bound to a theoretical and not an actual limit.
But like i said: If anubis ascended again he'd have to play by the rules of the Ascended. One can argue that his plan was to enact something similar to the Ori: Having people worship him to gain enough power to challenge the Ascended, since the Khalek cannot be controlled apparently and i don't think he would like sharing power. Alternatively, with some time, he could've figured out a solution in some other way, like travelling far away enough that the Ascended may not be troubled by his actions. After all, he still had all his Ascended knowledge: he just couldn't act upon it unless he would've known such things as a goa'uld.
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Originally posted by thekillman View PostIt seems that Ascended cannot exist in our plane of existence for extended periods of time. It's difficult to tell since actual Ascended never stayed for more than a brief moment.
Even so, Anubis wasn't fully bound to his Goa'uld origins, as he could develop much more powerful shields and weapons than other goa'uld and was able to develop things like mind probes to download asgard information. It seemed like it was bound to a theoretical and not an actual limit.
But like i said: If anubis ascended again he'd have to play by the rules of the Ascended. One can argue that his plan was to enact something similar to the Ori: Having people worship him to gain enough power to challenge the Ascended, since the Khalek cannot be controlled apparently and i don't think he would like sharing power. Alternatively, with some time, he could've figured out a solution in some other way, like travelling far away enough that the Ascended may not be troubled by his actions. After all, he still had all his Ascended knowledge: he just couldn't act upon it unless he would've known such things as a goa'uld.
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Originally posted by Bhousden View PostWait, if that was so, then why didn't the ancients stop him from using the weapon he found in Redemption when he tried to blow up the Earth stargate. Anubis knew it was an ancient weapon, he obviously knew what it did and how to activate it. Seemingly from knowledge he had of it as an ascended being, and yet it was activated and it was only by sheer luck O'Neill managed to hitch it to a 302 and fly it away that saved earth.
Originally posted by Bhousden View PostAscended ancients don't seem to have a problem existing on our plain for brief moments either, Shifu shoots that theory down. He was able to exist for an entire episode in "human" form, and so was the ancient from Sanctuary who came to Atlantis with John.
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