I am currently watching SGA rising episode and wondered why they didn't have any Zat guns of Jaffa Staff weapons? I know that the Zat guns were used as a non-lethal option, but it seems that the Atlantis Expedition did not bring any non-lethal weapons like the Zat guns. Of course later they get their hands on Wraith weapons, which apparently are non-lethal, which make sense since they would want to kill their food supply (humans), in stun them. However, I would think having Zat guns and staff weapons would be a useful option. After all, they were not 100% sure their standard military weapons would work on everything they might encounter in a new galaxy. A lesson they should of learned from Anubis' Kull warriors. Lastly, I wonder how much Ancient tech found in Atlantis, for example the lifesign detector, has bee reversed engineered and become common equipment used by SGC teams back in the Milk Way Galaxy. Considering they still had a lot of exploring to do, I would assume the SGC is still running even after Atlantis returns to the Pegasus galaxy. I haven't read any of the novels, so someone can shed some light as tho what has happened since the end of Atlantis besides the events of the Stargate universe series.
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Why didn't the Atlantis Expedition bring with them any Goa'uld tech or weapons?
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Because this was originally not planned as a SG1 redux show, but a stand-alone spin-off show. And thus they have their set of weapons to discover, Ancient or Wraith, or Asuran.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Well, most SG teams don't use staff weapons anyway. And Zat weapons would have been redundant in Pegasus. Plus didn't the writers mention they didn't like how they wrote themselves into a corner with how Zat guns work? I noticed in later seasons nobody, even the bad guys, used the second and third shot ability of the Zat'nickitels."First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
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They did have good old fashion tasers. As to why no Zats, I would guess there was a supply issue. Yes, they have a bunch in the SGC armory, but did they have a surplus beyond what they need to keep SG teams supplied with them? That I do not know. However, if that's the case perhaps they were more concerned with making sure there were always Zats on hand for SG teams than splitting them up and sharing some with the expedition. Then the expedition started getting their hands on Wraith stunners and it became a non-issue.
Staff weapons, meanwhile, are largely considered to be inferior to automatic Earth weapons, having been designed as instruments of fear and intimidation rather than war. I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped collecting them once they had enough to try to reverse engineer the technology so that they could one day create better energy weapons of their own.
What I found a bit disappointing was that they never transported a Goa'uld cargo ship or two over. In the later seasons of Sg-1 they collected about four of them if I'm remembering correctly (I had a count going at the time). They're easy to transport on an F-304 and a small cloakable ship with hyperspace capabilities (in addition to Mckay's experimental jumper or in place of depending on the time period) would've been of use to expedition when an F-304 wasn't available.Last edited by Xaeden; 17 March 2024, 02:10 AM.
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Originally posted by Xaeden View PostWhat I found a bit disappointing was that they never transported a Goa'uld cargo ship or two over. In the later seasons of Sg-1 they collected about four of them if I'm remembering correctly (I had a count going at the time). They're easy to transport on an F-304 and a small cloakable ship with hyperspace capabilities (in addition to Mckay's experimental jumper or in place of depending on the time period) would've been of use to expedition when an F-304 wasn't available.
They have their own technology to tinker with.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Xaeden View PostThey did have good old fashion tasers. As to why no Zats, I would guess there was a supply issue.
Furthermore, if a Zat for whatever reason breaks down, it's likely that few if anyone on the Expedition can fix them whereas guns are technologies we're familiar with.
Lastly, considering we thought we may make first contact, it may have been better to not create unintended wrong impressions by using essentially stolen alien technology.
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Originally posted by FlipORican View PostI am currently watching SGA rising episode and wondered why they didn't have any Zat guns of Jaffa Staff weapons? I know that the Zat guns were used as a non-lethal option, but it seems that the Atlantis Expedition did not bring any non-lethal weapons like the Zat guns. Of course later they get their hands on Wraith weapons, which apparently are non-lethal, which make sense since they would want to kill their food supply (humans), in stun them. However, I would think having Zat guns and staff weapons would be a useful option. After all, they were not 100% sure their standard military weapons would work on everything they might encounter in a new galaxy. A lesson they should of learned from Anubis' Kull warriors. Lastly, I wonder how much Ancient tech found in Atlantis, for example the lifesign detector, has bee reversed engineered and become common equipment used by SGC teams back in the Milk Way Galaxy. Considering they still had a lot of exploring to do, I would assume the SGC is still running even after Atlantis returns to the Pegasus galaxy. I haven't read any of the novels, so someone can shed some light as tho what has happened since the end of Atlantis besides the events of the Stargate universe series.
It really makes no sense!
Especially since fully charged staff-weapons can last for ages, talking about centuries here! (no running out of ammo - at least not quickly!) Same for Zats!
We also know that Zats work on Wraith (!) - Teal'c uses one when defending the SGC against them!
Then again:
A Goa'uld shield or a Kul-Warrior armor would also work well in fighting Wraith...but the writers didn't want that (despite it being obvious to bring a few of either)
Same for figuring out that ancient shield device...
Hell, I've recently read 2 fanfictions were the writers had the SGC use staff-weapons to make staff-rifles (better for people who haven't had Jaffa-Training), one even had them strap to cut down staffs above each other to double the fire-power or firing-rate (via a selector: Fire both at he same time or after one another!)
So, yeah:
Writer oversight (also they probably wanted the shows visually distinct from each other!)
Note: McKay and Zelenka can probably fix Goa'uld tech (compared to ancient tech that's not overly complex!)
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ps: I agree on smaller Goa'uld ships (you could probably arm a cargo ship if you want to, I mean they showed a heavily modified one in season 9 (I think it was season 9...it was one of the Vala-Episodes!), so you'd have a pretty capable platform to run covert missions from! Hell, give it a shield and it can probably engage a Wraith cruiser (go in close, de-cloak, fire and then run like hell!))...then again: Even SG-1 didn't have a ship as often as they really needed oneLast edited by Laxian of Earth; 21 December 2016, 11:09 AM.
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostAtlantis was its own show (at first anyway), not an SG1 redux.
They have their own technology to tinker with.
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Originally posted by Xaeden View PostYes, but that's the behind the scenes explanation. The point of this thread was if it made sense within the context of the show's story.
As "advanced" as Goa'uld technology is, Ancient technology is more advanced and thus preferable, even if they would have to learn how to use it first.
Besides, they sorta had Goa'uld technology with them anyway -- namely the naquadah which the Goa'uld use as powersource.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostIt wouldn't -- why take technology which, if you look at it from an historical point, is less advanced than the one you're going to?
As "advanced" as Goa'uld technology is, Ancient technology is more advanced and thus preferable, even if they would have to learn how to use it first.
Besides, they sorta had Goa'uld technology with them anyway -- namely the naquadah which the Goa'uld use as powersource.
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Initially, it would have made sense to take some zats, eventually they were bound to run out of bullets...kinda surprised they didn't run out of bullets. The best I could figure out is that there was no telling how ancient tech would react to advanced alien technology versus primitive projectile weapons.
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