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    Alas, it looks like Blue had it right the first time... Just found this on another website (tor.com):



    And there's also a mention about the lack of Anthony's colored lenses:
    Ahh Good Find Falcon! Wow and about the contact lenses.... I bet that make up artist was out of a job
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    It's hard to say without know specifics to say who is at fault. Maybe Sincoe messed up
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    It's hard to say without know specifics to say who is at fault. Maybe Sincoe messed up
    True. Maybe he got tired of it and took matters in his own hands.
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    Or something simple as he flinched. Let's remember how early in the show this is. Maybe getting used to the process
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    Or something simple as he flinched. Let's remember how early in the show this is. Maybe getting used to the process
    Yeah exactly. Hey are we agreeing?
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    *BOOM*

    That was the sound of the world exploding.
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    Oo, er. I’m first this week. The pressure.

    Back and back and back to the future

    Yay! A timey-wimey episode! This is a biased review. I have a penchant for time travel and AU stories.

    First and foremost, I am calling Crichton’s ‘Oh Boy’ line as a Quantum Leap reference. I have no evidence to back this up but I want it to be true (that’s how science works right?).

    What Matala was doing to Crichton in the flashes was definitely…. not consensual. Oh my. I’ve mentioned before that in the UK, BBC 2 showed Farscape weekdays, 6:45pm. We’re talking family viewing, tea time slot after The Simpsons. And I don’t think they could have cut those bits, they’re kind of crucial to the plot….

    …still 11 year old me and younger siblings must have watched it. We all turned out relatively fine. And at least I know to bill any future therapy needed to the Jim Henson Company.

    From an editing point of view: the entire episode is ship-based, so no big, sweeping exterior shots like last week. Similarly, a lot of the ‘movement’ in the episode seem to be done by cutting tricks rather than physically shifting the cameras. This works well for all the time ‘leaping’ Crichton has to do, but doesn’t really help your fanvidder.

    There are however some uber-cool pans/zooms when Aeryn is sparing with Matala. And the green light CGI light coming from the ship exploding looks awesome when you overlay it on other shots.

    For the shippers: regrettably, Aeryn and John seem to have regained both their balance and observance of each other’s personal space.

    Aeryn’s outfit rocks. I wish I had both it and the occasion to wear it.

    My favourite bit: Crichton asking the girls to leave the room so he and D’Argo can discuss his ‘real crime’. He could have just blurted it out (and moved the plot on), but doesn’t want to embarrass D’Argo. Again, a very classic Farscape thing to do, holding up pace of the story for a sec to deal with the character all the angles and relationships.

    In fact, I liked all the D’Argo /Crichton male empathising in this episode. They seem to get that on some universal level the other one will understand them.

    Feeling isolated as a man and ‘the other’ in a feminine/alien world isn’t something you see much in TV and film, so it’s kind of interesting. I think I remember a later series 1 episode where
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    Crichton tries to bond/talk sports with Crais simply because he really misses masculine companionship…


    However, I still think that Crichton should have just told Aeryn and Zahn what he was seeing. Because even if he is a bloke, when you’re having erotic flashes about a girl he likes, it’s probably best not to tell the Luxan with the hyper-rage about them.

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    Back and Back and Back to the Future

    At the risk of starting a fight with SQ, I generally don't like this episode. I try to be critical with my reviews and while the previous episodes may have parts I do not like, the overall impact has been I am entertained. That is not the case with this episode. I think the overall problem is this episode tries to do too much, It tries to do a precognition episode with John, but this fails because it does not make much sense. First we get John these visions of Matala killing John and then as the episode drags on we have John dying (I bet Crais wishes he could see that) multiple times where he time jumps backwards to a meeting with Zhaan. Poor Zhaan with her mask. To me the whole plot device is confusing and does not make any sense. Normally Farscape comes up with creative ways (Yes I said it SQ) of these traditional scifi concepts but I don't feel that is the case in this episode. And how does Crichton get cured of this problem? Are we suppose to believe that simply starbursting from the black hole stops the problem? Its a tough one for me to believe. I also find it hard to believe that the solution of Matala running away with the black hole is us starbursting away. Its just too easy. And what happened to Verell? Was he just injured or did he die? The other aspect of this episode is to make us feel sympatric to D'Argo. It gives us these little pieces of what D'Argo has gone through since being imprisoned on Moya without telling us exactly what is going on with D'Argo. It feels like they were using Verell as a father figure to explore into D'Argo and John's time jump to see these events was suppose to cement more of a friendship between the two. It doesn't work that well to me. I think ultimately this episode tries to much. Personally the time jumping part of Crichton is unnesscary. If it was a later episode (say S3 for example) I think the writers wouldn't feel the need the insert a scifi concept. The character would drive the episode. It would have been more interesting to watch the Moya crew convince D'Argo of Matala's deception which I think would have served better for character building. I will close by saying I do not know what the wardrobe was thinking with Aeryn's costume
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    Back and Back and Back to the Future

    At the risk of starting a fight with SQ, I generally don't like this episode. I try to be critical with my reviews and while the previous episodes may have parts I do not like, the overall impact has been I am entertained. That is not the case with this episode. I think the overall problem is this episode tries to do too much, It tries to do a precognition episode with John, but this fails because it does not make much sense. First we get John these visions of Matala killing John and then as the episode drags on we have John dying (I bet Crais wishes he could see that) multiple times where he time jumps backwards to a meeting with Zhaan. Poor Zhaan with her mask. To me the whole plot device is confusing and does not make any sense. Normally Farscape comes up with creative ways (Yes I said it SQ) of these traditional scifi concepts but I don't feel that is the case in this episode. And how does Crichton get cured of this problem? Are we suppose to believe that simply starbursting from the black hole stops the problem? Its a tough one for me to believe. I also find it hard to believe that the solution of Matala running away with the black hole is us starbursting away. Its just too easy. And what happened to Verell? Was he just injured or did he die? The other aspect of this episode is to make us feel sympatric to D'Argo. It gives us these little pieces of what D'Argo has gone through since being imprisoned on Moya without telling us exactly what is going on with D'Argo. It feels like they were using Verell as a father figure to explore into D'Argo and John's time jump to see these events was suppose to cement more of a friendship between the two. It doesn't work that well to me. I think ultimately this episode tries to much. Personally the time jumping part of Crichton is unnesscary. If it was a later episode (say S3 for example) I think the writers wouldn't feel the need the insert a scifi concept. The character would drive the episode. It would have been more interesting to watch the Moya crew convince D'Argo of Matala's deception which I think would have served better for character building. I will close by saying I do not know what the wardrobe was thinking with Aeryn's costume
    *Giggles* Our two views are pretty much the mirror opposite of each other. Even down to our opinions on Aeryn’s outfit.

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    This will be the shortest review ever in the history of reviews.

    Back and Back and Back to the Future

    Boring episode, and yes I fell asleep so there. That is all.
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    I'm first so everything is back to normal

    Thank God Its Friday, Again

    This one is an improvement from the previous episode but it is not without its faults. I actually did not remember this episode that well. Maybe I had some of that tannot root? An argument I have with SQ the first time I watched Farscape, is why does everything have to be Cricheton? Yes I understand he is the lead but sometimes it would be nice if he was affected by " the weekly adventures of Moya" and the crew had to rescue him. As much as I love this show sometimes it feels the other get sidelined into the background. Their seemed no purpose for Zhaan to be affected by the tannot root. Once she gets swayed she disappears for the rest of the episode. It just feels she could of helped in the quest of what is wrong with these people. Okay rant over. This episode reminds me of those cults that worship a person with the façade of peace. Their is no physical deity but their zen of peace reminds me of these societies. The stuff on the planet is kind of slow going until John gets implanted by the worm and finds out another alien species forced them to plant it. I think we kind of knew that the Peacekeepers were behind this. I remember thinking I don't really understand why the Sebecceans allow us to eat this if they need it. Is it just to make us more agreeable? I so loved the other story. I think it had great little developments for Aeryn and Pilot (Pilot does so little). It was something I enjoyed to see Aeryn outside her comfort zone and do something she was not familiar with. This was great when compounded by Pilot who is also uncomfortable and we see them bond on doing something they are familiar. Although I think some of us might have preferred that Rygel stay frozen Speaking of Rygel, I remember cracking up when urinating. Its kind of comedy Farscape is known for. It was interesting to me that the root is used for Peacekeeper weapons. I just wished they would have shown why the natives are allowed to eat. It wouldn't be above Peacekeepers to force the aliens to grow it. Remember how I compared the natives to a cult? I think this is further shown when even after the people are shown the truth, they still continue on their present course. Cults are known to follow this. Finally, I really liked the final scene. It shows just how much pain and suffering D'Argo has gone through and how much he wishes for a normal life.
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    Back and Back and Back to the Future.... AGAIN!

    I agreed with alot of what you guys are saying so far...even Falcon cuz on my first attempt to watch this last night I fell asleep so I had to forgo and watch it this morning.

    @jel - I agree with the confusion aspect of the way this ep is laid out and filmed. I think the production staff struggled with grounding the "real" timeline and so this ep seems too timey whimey and confusing. Being a Doctor Who fan let me just say Rowan Woods should stay out of the Time jump business.

    I think where they went wrong is they failed to ground the real time line. If you notice they started off having John in the black tshirt. Later about halfway through the ep he stars wearing his IASA vest. This odd shift in costuming mid episode seemed like they were experimenting with maybe using the vest/no vest as a way to ground him in the present/future, but then they maybe got lazy in keeping it all straight. I honestly don't know when we were seeing a flash forward and when we were back to the real time line. At first the flashes merely seemed like visions of some sort of telepathy and later John did at least verbalize that they were indeed future flashes when he met Aeryn in the corridor again and we heard Aeryn's comment of D'argo being the "personal servant" of the Ilanic's.

    I think they finally got onto a successful device with the whole Zhaan mask breaking thing. But at this point it was a little too late as again it seemed confusing when you were watching an AU time sequence or Real time. So as far as a successful out of time episode that part of it was weakly constructed.

    The other aspect of the ep I found grating was the voice of Matala and how she spoke to John and D'argo when she was in her "seductress" mode. This was too obvious and for Farscape seemed a tad trite and not the usual creative covert concept. (Say that three times )

    I disliked that they didn't use the women more (Aeryn and Zhaan) as it was clear Matala didn't have the same effect on them. And they both, especially Aeryn when they were sparring, realized Matala was using some form of manipulation on John and D'Argo...and Rygel if you really want to get technical as he was basically tempted by his greed and gluttony of food. Aeryn even verbalized the bit during their match that at least she didn't have to seduce male after male after male in order to get what they want more or less. Aeryn had it figured out, but I guess because she couldn't remember maybe she was not able to retain information from previous cycles or whatever you want to call it so she couldn't be of help.

    So it brings me to the fact the John was the only one to remember that he was experiencing some sort of time distortion. This reminded me so much of the Stargate SG1 ep "Window of Opportunity". It's funny how similar these eps are in concept but again Farscape came first airing in 1999 and Stargate aired in 2000. But in Window of Opportunity again Jack was the only person who seemed to remember what was going on in this endless loop he was experiencing. I felt that ep was more successful in how it was set up though.


    So for what I actually liked about the ep. Yes there were some bits I really enjoyed.

    Male bonding between D'argo and John
    If anything this ep was important to further establish the bond and bro ship between John and D'argo. It was also necessary to bring out the bit about D's true crime. Gotta love a mystery and now John has one and it will eat him up until he finds out. I think John really wants to pal around with D, but up to this point D really tries hard to keep John and everyone at a distance. This ep works to soften D up alot. I loved some of the banter John says to D. "Open up your ears or your tentacles or whatever orifice you listen with!"
    then later at the end that touching scene they have where John admits to "mocking all of us"....and that D..."is not the first male to have his head snapped off by a chick". I truly wonder if any TV series would be so brazen to say a somewhat sexist comment such as that today. But I for one liked this camaraderie that John and D were building by having this moment of good old boy talk. And then finally the ultimate in that talk came down to D admitting that "It's been so long" (since he's been with a woman) to which John resoundingly agrees. This had to spark connection with many of the male (hetero) viewers out there.

    Differences in Female Power
    So this ep there was no doubt they focused on the Female power of seduction and again like I said earlier it was a bit too trite and obvious the way in which they played it out. I do like the contrast it set up for Aeryn though. Talk about a fish out of water here. I think Aeryn sat up and took note here. She has had little to no experience in this area that came out when the two women were sparring. I loved how Aeryn's answer was to just use her typical no nonsense response and punch Matala out, but then when Matala realized she couldn't beat Aeryn on a physical level she had to use the Neural Strike. It wasn't clear if this killed Aeryn or just how this neural strike works. I half worried or wasn't clear if that was the future I was seeing and she had killed Aeryn, but then became clear later when Aeryn came around to explain that because of the neural strike it proved that Matala was a Scorvian. I enjoyed seeing how the two women (in contrast to the men here) worked through their problems. Aeryn more on the physical and Matala more on the mental. I think like D'argo growing in becoming more soft....this also softened Aeryn not physically but mentally. I think at the end of the day she came to see the value in that secret weapon of seduction. Not that she would use it anytime soon, but it was truly an eye opening experience for her.

    Some bonding with Zhaan and Aeryn too! Some great lines from them:

    Aeryn: about Crichton "What's the matter with him?"
    Zhaan: "He is Crichton"

    Zhaan: "He's experiencing bits of the future"
    Aeryn: "The future? He can barely function in the present"

    I also loved Zhaan's attempt to deter Matala from trying to figure out Crichton as he is far too complex and she would never be able to do it within the short time frame they were going to be there. This was a nice juxtaposition between Zhaan's reserved quiet observant ways in which she approaches getting to know individuals. Where as Matala and Aeryn just move in for the kill and tear down the walls to get at them. Again both in their own ways (Matala mentally/sexually tempting) and (Aeryn physically/tussling and fighting).

    So at the end of the day this ep was all about juxtaposition and stark contrasts between male/female strengths/weaknesses and differences in physical/mental powers. I thought all in all it was pretty good but only to serve to move along character development of our beloved characters.
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    Differences in Female Power
    So this ep there was no doubt they focused on the Female power of seduction and again like I said earlier it was a bit too trite and obvious the way in which they played it out. I do like the contrast it set up for Aeryn though. Talk about a fish out of water here. I think Aeryn sat up and took note here. She has had little to no experience in this area that came out when the two women were sparring. I loved how Aeryn's answer was to just use her typical no nonsense response and punch Matala out, but then when Matala realized she couldn't beat Aeryn on a physical level she had to use the Neural Strike. It wasn't clear if this killed Aeryn or just how this neural strike works. I half worried or wasn't clear if that was the future I was seeing and she had killed Aeryn, but then became clear later when Aeryn came around to explain that because of the neural strike it proved that Matala was a Scorvian. I enjoyed seeing how the two women (in contrast to the men here) worked through their problems. Aeryn more on the physical and Matala more on the mental. I think like D'argo growing in becoming more soft....this also softened Aeryn not physically but mentally. I think at the end of the day she came to see the value in that secret weapon of seduction. Not that she would use it anytime soon, but it was truly an eye opening experience for her.

    So at the end of the day this ep was all about juxtaposition and stark contrasts between male/female strengths/weaknesses and differences in physical/mental powers. I thought all in all it was pretty good but only to serve to move along character development of our beloved characters.
    That's interesting because in Greek mythology, Matala is the name of the island Europa wakes up on after Zeus has either a.) seduced her or b.) violently abducted her.

    The stories and language treat the two concepts the same though so there’s academic debate on which power – attraction or brute force - he uses to ‘win’ her over.

    Of course, this being the ancient Greeks, Zeus is also disguised as a bull the whole time. Farscape weirdness never reaches the same kind of levels.

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    That's interesting because in Greek mythology, Matala is the name of the island Europa wakes up on after Zeus has either a.) seduced her or b.) violently abducted her.

    The stories and language treat the two concepts the same though so there’s academic debate on which power – attraction or brute force - he uses to ‘win’ her over.

    Of course, this being the ancient Greeks, Zeus is also disguised as a bull the whole time. Farscape weirdness never reaches the same kind of levels.
    Interesting indeed....and well I think the Farscape weirdness gets worse
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    Oo, er. I’m first this week. The pressure.
    Sorry about that. Originally I was going to do this episode late Saturday morning because I've noticed you people like me to go first. I actually was woken from sleeping by my boss asking if I would do a shift for Saturday. And I like money.
    Back and back and back to the future

    Yay! A timey-wimey episode! This is a biased review. I have a penchant for time travel and AU stories.
    I should warn you right now. I abhor Doctor Who.

    First and foremost, I am calling Crichton’s ‘Oh Boy’ line as a Quantum Leap reference. I have no evidence to back this up but I want it to be true (that’s how science works right?).
    I take it your education isn't in science? As for the reference I'll go with you since I have only seen a few Quantum Leap episodes
    What Matala was doing to Crichton in the flashes was definitely…. not consensual. Oh my. I’ve mentioned before that in the UK, BBC 2 showed Farscape weekdays, 6:45pm. We’re talking family viewing, tea time slot after The Simpsons. And I don’t think they could have cut those bits, they’re kind of crucial to the plot….

    …still 11 year old me and younger siblings must have watched it. We all turned out relatively fine. And at least I know to bill any future therapy needed to the Jim Henson Company.
    I think a lot of it depends on how you interpret it. Its a vague scene. I can see how one can identify with rape. Others might just see it as Matala killing John. Let me give you an extreme example. Their was this poster who thought almost every scene between Jack and Sam was sexual. FH probably remembers who I am talking about. Some of the interactions interpertations were crazy. I used extreme to showcase the point is that the Matala and John can be interpreted a lot of ways which is probably why the BBC didn't censor them.
    From an editing point of view: the entire episode is ship-based, so no big, sweeping exterior shots like last week. Similarly, a lot of the ‘movement’ in the episode seem to be done by cutting tricks rather than physically shifting the cameras. This works well for all the time ‘leaping’ Crichton has to do, but doesn’t really help your fanvidder.

    There are however some uber-cool pans/zooms when Aeryn is sparing with Matala. And the green light CGI light coming from the ship exploding looks awesome when you overlay it on other shots.
    I didn't notice these things so its always nice to get your POV for the episode. What is your take on the CGI scene where Moya is sucked into a black hole?
    For the shippers: regrettably, Aeryn and John seem to have regained both their balance and observance of each other’s personal space.
    Its like I say to my arguments with SQ. At this point where the two are exploring their roles in this alien environment. You to work on self-identity before a relationship. Its why I think the ship doesn't exist at this point.
    Aeryn’s outfit rocks. I wish I had both it and the occasion to wear it.
    It comes off as sexual to me. The same way you have Kirk from Star Trek shirtless in every episode. Its just to get a superficial reaction from your audience. Thank the Goddess they never showed that again.
    My favourite bit: Crichton asking the girls to leave the room so he and D’Argo can discuss his ‘real crime’. He could have just blurted it out (and moved the plot on), but doesn’t want to embarrass D’Argo. Again, a very classic Farscape thing to do, holding up pace of the story for a sec to deal with the character all the angles and relationships.

    In fact, I liked all the D’Argo /Crichton male empathising in this episode. They seem to get that on some universal level the other one will understand them.
    I admit I didn't like this episode but I did like that part of trying to start the friendship of D'Argo and John. They start off as rivals but become best friends in the end. Something similar happened to me so I can relate to the feeling
    Feeling isolated as a man and ‘the other’ in a feminine/alien world isn’t something you see much in TV and film, so it’s kind of interesting. I think I remember a later series 1 episode where
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    Crichton tries to bond/talk sports with Crais simply because he really misses masculine companionship…


    However, I still think that Crichton should have just told Aeryn and Zahn what he was seeing. Because even if he is a bloke, when you’re having erotic flashes about a girl he likes, it’s probably best not to tell the Luxan with the hyper-rage about them.
    Don't take this the wrong way but you are not a man. Its one thing when John knew he was jumping through time. Its another in the beginning when John thinks he is having sex dreams with someone. Its uncomfortable to talk about those things to other women. I hope you understand the taboo of that.

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    *Giggles* Our two views are pretty much the mirror opposite of each other. Even down to our opinions on Aeryn’s outfit.
    You haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until we get to the twining arc. We'll be bickering like children that Old Lady SQ will have to separate us.
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    Back and Back and Back to the Future

    Boring episode, and yes I fell asleep so there. That is all.
    Come on FH. In the old days you would say more about the episodes you hated than the episodes you liked. I remember you ranted for four posts on how much you disliked SGA's The Kindred.
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    Back and Back and Back to the Future.... AGAIN!

    I agreed with alot of what you guys are saying so far...even Falcon cuz on my first attempt to watch this last night I fell asleep so I had to forgo and watch it this morning.
    I had a similar reaction with a book last night. Its a good book. I closed my eyes at 9:30 figuring it would be one of my 10 minutes naps. When I woke up it 11:45. The boss must have worked me harder than I thought
    @jel - I agree with the confusion aspect of the way this ep is laid out and filmed. I think the production staff struggled with grounding the "real" timeline and so this ep seems too timey whimey and confusing. Being a Doctor Who fan let me just say Rowan Woods should stay out of the Time jump business.
    I don't like Doctor WHo. I though you knew. Its confusing because I think the writers changed the time travel rules. First John is flashing ahead with its visions then it feels like every time John dies he jumps back to that scene with Zhaan. Poor Zhaan and her mask
    I think where they went wrong is they failed to ground the real time line. If you notice they started off having John in the black tshirt. Later about halfway through the ep he stars wearing his IASA vest. This odd shift in costuming mid episode seemed like they were experimenting with maybe using the vest/no vest as a way to ground him in the present/future, but then they maybe got lazy in keeping it all straight. I honestly don't know when we were seeing a flash forward and when we were back to the real time line. At first the flashes merely seemed like visions of some sort of telepathy and later John did at least verbalize that they were indeed future flashes when he met Aeryn in the corridor again and we heard Aeryn's comment of D'argo being the "personal servant" of the Ilanic's.
    Oops. I just said this so I agree. I however didn't notice the costume change. I don't think it makes sense until the Zhaan scene
    I think they finally got onto a successful device with the whole Zhaan mask breaking thing. But at this point it was a little too late as again it seemed confusing when you were watching an AU time sequence or Real time. So as far as a successful out of time episode that part of it was weakly constructed.
    This is where I felt they restarted the time travel rules so that is why it made more sense. They seem to change it mid-episode
    The other aspect of the ep I found grating was the voice of Matala and how she spoke to John and D'argo when she was in her "seductress" mode. This was too obvious and for Farscape seemed a tad trite and not the usual creative covert concept. (Say that three times )
    It was kind of a red herring to me. The way she talked wasn't normal. Compare Verell who talked normal. You could tell something nefarious was going on.
    I disliked that they didn't use the women more (Aeryn and Zhaan) as it was clear Matala didn't have the same effect on them. And they both, especially Aeryn when they were sparring, realized Matala was using some form of manipulation on John and D'Argo...and Rygel if you really want to get technical as he was basically tempted by his greed and gluttony of food. Aeryn even verbalized the bit during their match that at least she didn't have to seduce male after male after male in order to get what they want more or less. Aeryn had it figured out, but I guess because she couldn't remember maybe she was not able to retain information from previous cycles or whatever you want to call it so she couldn't be of help.
    Honestly the only one I found Matala's act worked on was D'Argo. A lot of that is because the Illanics represent his longing for home. I discount Verell because Matala was his partner for a year. John didn't buy. I think Rygel was busy stuffing his face. Pilot had like 2 lines in the episode and the rest are female. In S1 everything has to be done by John which does annoy me. I don't think the other aliens get as much exposure as the other characters. Aeryn's discovery like many things in Farscape is one piece of the puzzle. John discovered what the weapon was. So like always each character brings something to solve the whole problem.
    So it brings me to the fact the John was the only one to remember that he was experiencing some sort of time distortion. This reminded me so much of the Stargate SG1 ep "Window of Opportunity". It's funny how similar these eps are in concept but again Farscape came first airing in 1999 and Stargate aired in 2000. But in Window of Opportunity again Jack was the only person who seemed to remember what was going on in this endless loop he was experiencing. I felt that ep was more successful in how it was set up though.
    Actually it was Jack and Teal'c That was different in which they caught in a time loop. I think its more like the S6 episode where Jonas gets the ability to see the future.
    So for what I actually liked about the ep. Yes there were some bits I really enjoyed.
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    Part 2
    Male bonding between D'argo and John
    If anything this ep was important to further establish the bond and bro ship between John and D'argo. It was also necessary to bring out the bit about D's true crime. Gotta love a mystery and now John has one and it will eat him up until he finds out. I think John really wants to pal around with D, but up to this point D really tries hard to keep John and everyone at a distance. This ep works to soften D up alot. I loved some of the banter John says to D. "Open up your ears or your tentacles or whatever orifice you listen with!"
    I think the attempt was there with the secret of D'Argo's crime but it falls flat because its so little used. Would have been better to flesh that out more instead of those stupid time jumps. I do like the mystery but I don't feel the bonding of John and D'Argo is genuine in this episode. Their are others down the line that do a better job of cementing their friendship. Stay tuned
    then later at the end that touching scene they have where John admits to "mocking all of us"....and that D..."is not the first male to have his head snapped off by a chick". I truly wonder if any TV series would be so brazen to say a somewhat sexist comment such as that today. But I for one liked this camaraderie that John and D were building by having this moment of good old boy talk. And then finally the ultimate in that talk came down to D admitting that "It's been so long" (since he's been with a woman) to which John resoundingly agrees. This had to spark connection with many of the male (hetero) viewers out there.
    Modern TV would probably turn it into some female equality speech. I do love the scene. Its not just sexual. You could easily give it a friendship spin. Its about lonely and how much you would give for a platonic or sexual friend
    Differences in Female Power
    So this ep there was no doubt they focused on the Female power of seduction and again like I said earlier it was a bit too trite and obvious the way in which they played it out. I do like the contrast it set up for Aeryn though. Talk about a fish out of water here. I think Aeryn sat up and took note here. She has had little to no experience in this area that came out when the two women were sparring. I loved how Aeryn's answer was to just use her typical no nonsense response and punch Matala out, but then when Matala realized she couldn't beat Aeryn on a physical level she had to use the Neural Strike. It wasn't clear if this killed Aeryn or just how this neural strike works. I half worried or wasn't clear if that was the future I was seeing and she had killed Aeryn, but then became clear later when Aeryn came around to explain that because of the neural strike it proved that Matala was a Scorvian. I enjoyed seeing how the two women (in contrast to the men here) worked through their problems. Aeryn more on the physical and Matala more on the mental. I think like D'argo growing in becoming more soft....this also softened Aeryn not physically but mentally. I think at the end of the day she came to see the value in that secret weapon of seduction. Not that she would use it anytime soon, but it was truly an eye opening experience for her.
    Call me clueless (I'm sure you will) but I really don't see that much seduction. More of using D'Argo's loneliness against him. I'm at a loss which you mean of how Aeryn and Matala worked out their problems. Maybe I was falling asleep like FH. It was a boring episode

    Some bonding with Zhaan and Aeryn too! Some great lines from them:

    Aeryn: about Crichton "What's the matter with him?"
    Zhaan: "He is Crichton"

    Zhaan: "He's experiencing bits of the future"
    Aeryn: "The future? He can barely function in the present"
    Notice that is more taken out of John's experience. More jabs of his alien prescience

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    I also loved Zhaan's attempt to deter Matala from trying to figure out Crichton as he is far too complex and she would never be able to do it within the short time frame they were going to be there. This was a nice juxtaposition between Zhaan's reserved quiet observant ways in which she approaches getting to know individuals. Where as Matala and Aeryn just move in for the kill and tear down the walls to get at them. Again both in their own ways (Matala mentally/sexually tempting) and (Aeryn physically/tussling and fighting).
    Didn't think about that. We have seen Zhaan can be violent. But she was always the scientist on the group. I see the reasoning that she would observe and take notes before rushing in.
    So at the end of the day this ep was all about juxtaposition and stark contrasts between male/female strengths/weaknesses and differences in physical/mental powers. I thought all in all it was pretty good but only to serve to move along character development of our beloved characters.
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    I don't see the gender analysis you have for this episode. Really the only gender part was D'Argo falling for Matala which was a small aspect of the story.
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    That's interesting because in Greek mythology, Matala is the name of the island Europa wakes up on after Zeus has either a.) seduced her or b.) violently abducted her.
    Wouldn't surprise me as writers get inspiration from ancient literature all the time
    The stories and language treat the two concepts the same though so there’s academic debate on which power – attraction or brute force - he uses to ‘win’ her over.

    Of course, this being the ancient Greeks, Zeus is also disguised as a bull the whole time. Farscape weirdness never reaches the same kind of levels.
    I don't know. What I remember from Greek mythology class is that Zeus did a lot of crazy and weird things
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    Interesting indeed....and well I think the Farscape weirdness gets worse
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    Thank God It's Friday Again

    Ok I'm posting this before I respond to jel's response to my other reviews because I just have to get this down before I forget or get back onto the last ep. Yeah yeah yeah I have a one track mind sometimes

    Ok so....let me just say....Poor D'argo he is 0 for 2. At least this time he did get some. You know....looking back on these earlier eps it's amazing that you realize just how lost he is without a certain someone...who will remain nameless because I don't want to do the whole spoiler tag thing right now cuz I'm lazy. Anyway...it's crazy that they had another D'argo succumbs to the wiles of another ep. For me seeing these eps virtually back to back seemed a little too much the same. But this time Zhaan was also pulled in. And what is it with the Stargate parallels now they are using symbiotes. LOL

    Either way I actually managed to enjoy this ep for similar reasons as jel described above that Aeryn was once again forced out of her comfort zone. She even admitted to John in the end that "it was nice to figure something out with her head for a change". I think that was monumental for Aeryn actually. To put her rifle aside and actually work out a problem. I don't see why jel goes on and on about these eps being all about Crichton when in fact the character growth we see in these back to back eps is really more about D'argo and Aeryn. Crichton is the means to the end for these characters finding out how to do things a different way and in so doing they achieve and grow. Crichton is just running around being Crichton but the real interesting stuff is happening to the crew around him. But I see where jel may think that alot of the focus is on John (action wise) so it does tend to get old but they use John so many times as the catalyst to help the crew change.

    But... I was kinda bummed that Aeryn was so ready to just leave D'argo on the planet. I mean granted they can't make him go with them, but still I thought that was a bit shallow of her to give up on him so easily.
    But here are my favorite bits:

    The scene with Zhaan and John trying to share the mattress. Hilarious I don't even have to say anything more to that

    The make up in this show just continues to amaze me. The colors, lighting all that is just what continues to make this show such a work of art. The lady in white (I didn't even catch her name??) but she reminded me of Matala in the way she spoke which sort of bugged me but her look was so interestingly sick that I just had to comment on it.

    Finally, like jel the peeing thing with Rygel was hilarious...maybe a bit childishly prankish but I thought it was funny.

    I liked that they brought the Peacekeepers back into it. We were almost forgetting about them and just how awful they can be so it was about time they got back around to addressing them. So that was necessary in order to keep the level of distrust and disgust we have to have for them.

    All in all I really had forgotten this ep too...not too many of these early eps of the series made that much of an impression on me....gee it's amazing I kept watching the show...I guess it was akin to seeing road kill up ahead and then just not able to look away once you pass it. Nah....it's a wonderful show and I just loved the characters. It's the characters that continue to bring me back over and over again.
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    @jel's comment on being clueless Yes I'm calling you on that. The ep was about using that secret power that women have to seduce for a purpose it's been used since the beginning of time. It can be as much a weapon as Aeryn's rifle and I think that was a real eye opener for Aeryn.

    But I am glad you brought up the convo with D and John at the end that it could've been more than just a sexual relationship with a woman D and John were missing. I think that was what they were immediately talking about but if you look further it could also just be about missing companionship in any form. I mean they are social creatures and social creatures crave connection and I think that is what is at the core of what they are talking about. And because their team is still so new they are still working out all those social connections and I'm sure they have been on the lonely side trying to cope with isolation from their own species and from their own homelands.
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    Thank God It's Friday... Again

    Cause tomorrow is a rest day... didn't see much resting though.

    I wouldn't mind going to work high as a kite. I might like it better that way, without a care in the world. No stress.

    Good thing D'Argo was subdued out of his hyper rage. Crichton was surely a dead man if he hadn't started acting like an oversized hippie.

    Rygel's digestive system really is marvelous. First he farts helium, and no they have him pee explosive stuff. Although sweating explosively wasn't exactly healthy perhaps.
    Rygel frozen though... *snort* ...and Aeryn broke his moustache. Pilot telling her that it was perhaps best not to touch any of his other extremities.

    I love the interaction between Pilot and Aeryn when she's doing the science, albeit reluctantly. But look how proud she is when she realizes she did it. That's my girl!

    Crichton trying to look high on the food failed, and I though he wasn't convincing, but the red-eyed alien bought it so no complaints...

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    Sorry I'm late to replying to everyone's comments. I've been busy in RL
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    Thank God It's Friday Again

    Ok I'm posting this before I respond to jel's response to my other reviews because I just have to get this down before I forget or get back onto the last ep. Yeah yeah yeah I have a one track mind sometimes
    Well you need to exercise your mind. Its a muscle too. Since teachers just read from the answer book, you aren't exercising your mind so you forget
    Ok so....let me just say....Poor D'argo he is 0 for 2. At least this time he did get some. You know....looking back on these earlier eps it's amazing that you realize just how lost he is without a certain someone...who will remain nameless because I don't want to do the whole spoiler tag thing right now cuz I'm lazy. Anyway...it's crazy that they had another D'argo succumbs to the wiles of another ep. For me seeing these eps virtually back to back seemed a little too much the same. But this time Zhaan was also pulled in. And what is it with the Stargate parallels now they are using symbiotes. LOL
    I think the Zhaan scene at end speaks about D'Argo. He wants what most people want. To love someone and be loved by someone. Speaking from a real world perspective, we all desire to have some form companionship. It doesn't just have to be romantic though
    Either way I actually managed to enjoy this ep for similar reasons as jel described above that Aeryn was once again forced out of her comfort zone. She even admitted to John in the end that "it was nice to figure something out with her head for a change". I think that was monumental for Aeryn actually. To put her rifle aside and actually work out a problem. I don't see why jel goes on and on about these eps being all about Crichton when in fact the character growth we see in these back to back eps is really more about D'argo and Aeryn. Crichton is the means to the end for these characters finding out how to do things a different way and in so doing they achieve and grow. Crichton is just running around being Crichton but the real interesting stuff is happening to the crew around him. But I see where jel may think that alot of the focus is on John (action wise) so it does tend to get old but they use John so many times as the catalyst to help the crew change.
    My criticism is Crichton was front and center. He is always front and center. Yes Aeryn was a part and like you I loved the part of her learning something new. Outside comfort zones is probably the pillar of Aeryn's comfort zone. It was Crichton who found out about the root and why the aliens were growing it. A lot of times even though all the characters get development but John is the focus. I think it would have been more fun to see Zhaan and John then just shoving the blue plant aside.
    But... I was kinda bummed that Aeryn was so ready to just leave D'argo on the planet. I mean granted they can't make him go with them, but still I thought that was a bit shallow of her to give up on him so easily.
    I think at the point in the story is understandable. At the time we didn't know D'Argo was being drugged
    But here are my favorite bits:

    The scene with Zhaan and John trying to share the mattress. Hilarious I don't even have to say anything more to that
    I think you can make an argument on how tries to contrast humans and Delvans. John is uncomfortable sleeping on a bed while Zhaan shrugs it off. Reminds on the last week episode where she stripped for the Tavleks.
    The make up in this show just continues to amaze me. The colors, lighting all that is just what continues to make this show such a work of art. The lady in white (I didn't even catch her name??) but she reminded me of Matala in the way she spoke which sort of bugged me but her look was so interestingly sick that I just had to comment on it.
    She reminds me of the eye lady that was in that three parter at the end of S2. The name escapes me
    Finally, like jel the peeing thing with Rygel was hilarious...maybe a bit childishly prankish but I thought it was funny.
    But isn't that Farscape? They make weird jokes all the time.
    I liked that they brought the Peacekeepers back into it. We were almost forgetting about them and just how awful they can be so it was about time they got back around to addressing them. So that was necessary in order to keep the level of distrust and disgust we have to have for them.
    I thought it was obvious. But unlike a lot a people predictability doesn't bother me. Its the journey not the destination that matter
    All in all I really had forgotten this ep too...not too many of these early eps of the series made that much of an impression on me....gee it's amazing I kept watching the show...I guess it was akin to seeing road kill up ahead and then just not able to look away once you pass it. Nah....it's a wonderful show and I just loved the characters. It's the characters that continue to bring me back over and over again.
    [/QUOTE]I'll be honest I almost gave up the first time you told to me watch this show. Its only your promise of getting better that I stayed. These first season episodes are just typical scifi stories. But I thought the start of Stargate was boring
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    @jel's comment on being clueless Yes I'm calling you on that. The ep was about using that secret power that women have to seduce for a purpose it's been used since the beginning of time. It can be as much a weapon as Aeryn's rifle and I think that was a real eye opener for Aeryn.
    Don't see the them of this having to do anything with female power. Sorry. I could agree with you on D'Argo's loneliness
    .
    But I am glad you brought up the convo with D and John at the end that it could've been more than just a sexual relationship with a woman D and John were missing. I think that was what they were immediately talking about but if you look further it could also just be about missing companionship in any form. I mean they are social creatures and social creatures crave connection and I think that is what is at the core of what they are talking about. And because their team is still so new they are still working out all those social connections and I'm sure they have been on the lonely side trying to cope with isolation from their own species and from their own homelands.
    Contrary to popular belief men aren't more obsessed with sex then women That's a pretty shallow thought for anyone. Being with a woman I take is just someone to love and be loved by someone. I think that is what we are suppose to see. They want to not be alone. Especially D'Argo who has been locked up for 8 years
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    Cause tomorrow is a rest day... didn't see much resting though.
    Kind of reminds me of those migrant farms of the old days
    I wouldn't mind going to work high as a kite. I might like it better that way, without a care in the world. No stress.
    You mean you don't? I do it everyday. Don't tell my supervisor.
    Good thing D'Argo was subdued out of his hyper rage. Crichton was surely a dead man if he hadn't started acting like an oversized hippie.
    I think John would be okay. Remember what Aeryn said. He is very good at hiding
    Rygel's digestive system really is marvelous. First he farts helium, and no they have him pee explosive stuff. Although sweating explosively wasn't exactly healthy perhaps.
    I think the interesting part is that the show did a good job of trying to make these aliens unique. Because of the technology at the time their is only so much of making the aliens look different so they make them act different
    Rygel frozen though... *snort* ...and Aeryn broke his moustache. Pilot telling her that it was perhaps best not to touch any of his other extremities.
    You dirty mind you I would be tempted to not unfreeze Rygel. Might make things easier. Especially in the early seasons.
    I love the interaction between Pilot and Aeryn when she's doing the science, albeit reluctantly. But look how proud she is when she realizes she did it. That's my girl!
    As SQ and myself have said, I think it begins a path for Aeryn to go somewhere outside of fighting. She is always a warrior (like D'Argo) but she can be more. Take the current military. Most soldiers are more than just someone to fire a gun.
    Crichton trying to look high on the food failed, and I though he wasn't convincing, but the red-eyed alien bought it so no complaints...
    Does Crichton's acting ever look convincing? I can't think of one time in the 4 seasons.
    Tomorrow is a rest day and then we rebel against the Peacekeepers! Party-time!
    I interpret that scene as nothing has changed and everyone is going to still grow the space pot.
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