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    I, E.T.
    Lets cut the dren (I love Farscape lingo). The actual plot of the story is quite forgettable. We are all Stargate fans here and some of us are Star Trek fans as well. The heroes being marooned on an primitive alien world is nothing new to science fiction. Farscape has been known to make twists to those classic Farscape elements. I don't think this is one of those times. The whole point of this story is we are on a planet to help Moya remove a Peackeeper beacon. So if I don't like the story, then what sells this episode? This episode to me is how the characters interact in the plot. You have Crichton's innocence in trying to convince the alien mom and son about life and why he means them no harm. We see Zhaan and her overall compassion about how Pilot and Moya are doing and how she gives all her strength to try make Moya more comfortable. Her devotion to others is why Zhaan has always been my favorite. I think a key part about Aeryn is us seeing in this episode in how she is starting to let go of her Peacekeeper past. The way she tries to force Rygel to help and the way she berates D'Argo people. On the contrast you see Aeryn's growing compassion (I hope still doesn't hate it) in how she tries to help Zhaan take the pain. It shows the transition. Finally Rygel in his selfishness. It grows on you. Sometimes I can't stand the character. But for all his faults when his back is against the wall Rygel will do the best. He whines but when Rygel knows their is no choice we see him help cut out the beacon. Speaking of Moya, I know several earlier were talking about the beauty of the ship. I see it more in this episode as we get to see it as a living ship. The corridors of the ship don't really give the impression the ship is alive but when we get a closer up of Pilot's den or when Rygel is in the beacon we get that living feel which is always been the awe for me with Moya.
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    I tried to do a rewatch lately with my girlfriend. She has never seen it and I thought she would like it.

    She tried, she really tried, but she just can't get through the first season. She also has trouble reconciling the puppetry.

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    I, ET

    An episode with a plot I definitely didn't remember seeing those few times before, hence why I can say it's not very memorable.

    The plot aside, John's comment about Dagobah didn't go right over my head, unlike the first few times. Zhaan revealing she's a 9th level Pa'u (whatever that means -- no further explanation given, more mysteries to unravel later) and takes on Moya's pain when Rygel -- Dominar Rygel the 16th -- removes the PK tech from the ships systems.

    John's eye-twitch is only fun for so long, though. Rygel taking a bite out of Aeryn's arm... Seriously?! And he swallows that bit like a boss. If they hadn't had need for Rygel's size, Zhaan might have let Aeryn take a bite out of him.

    Aeryn and D'Argo up in that tree -- *snort*
    They have such low expectations about John. However, Aeryn was right when she would have to rescue both of them in less than an ahn (?), even if she was a little busy keeping Zhaan connected to Moya, reluctantly I might add, like she was touching something she shouldn't.

    No real memorable best lines I can think of, though John's aftertought about his eye rolling out of its socket did coerce a chuckle out of me.
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    I E.T.

    From watching them as a kid, this is the Farscape episode of which I had the clearest memory.

    I have no idea why.

    As Jelgate mentioned above, the plot is forgettable. And yet, my neurons favoured saving ‘I.ET’ rather than Year 7 trigonometry.

    The set up kind of reminds me of that old 60’s show The Fugitive. Every week, Richard Kimble would stumble upon an innocent family (usually a widowed mother with a son), every week they would give him aid. He would help them in return. I hated that show.

    My main puzzle with ‘I E.T’ is why it’s so early in the series run…

    Episode one: shoot your ‘hero’ into a psychotic Technicolor universe of creatures and critters. Everything is totally different, alien. Episode two: strand him on Earth mark II (complete with mid-America humanoids). Why?

    Later in the series, he could get real homesick about the similarities. But from the viewer’s perspective, he’s only been away in space for about 45 minutes.

    The only thing I can think of is that it gives Crichton a lot of opportunity to show and directly say to Mom, Kid and the audience that he’s new to this all too. Maybe it’s exactly a Star Trek ‘let’s go down to this Earth-parallel world’ rip off to reinforce that this isn’t normal for Crichton. Unlike Kirk, he has no clue what he’s doing and is as confused as the audience is?

    Or maybe it’s just a rip off

    I still can’t figure out what’s going on with the translator microbes in this episode. If Mom and kid are from a world before first contact, how can they understand Crichton? I must have missed something...

    Again, from an editor’s point of view there are some very nice shots, but not as much as the premier. For those that are interested in these things (*tumble weed blows through thread*) my reel of usable vidding footage for I.ET is 43 seconds…comparatively the Premier was about 1 minute 40. Lots of pans and zooms, although mainly on interiors. The exterior shots are still quite locked down. Oh, and Moya’s crash into the lake is good (CGI water is difficult I believe).

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    Oh, and Moya’s crash into the lake is good (CGI water is difficult I believe).
    CG water is one of the hardest things to do, and it's only been in recent years where computing has gone up in capacity and speed, and the programs have been expanded, that CG-companies have been able to create realistic water.

    It's quite literally still hit and miss.
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    I, ET

    An episode with a plot I definitely didn't remember seeing those few times before, hence why I can say it's not very memorable.
    Its not memorable. If we are going plot alone its pretty weak. Look how easy John and D'Argo returned to Moya. I stand by my belief its a character building episode which I can understand its needed in the early season
    The plot aside, John's comment about Dagobah didn't go right over my head, unlike the first few times. Zhaan revealing she's a 9th level Pa'u (whatever that means -- no further explanation given, more mysteries to unravel later) and takes on Moya's pain when Rygel -- Dominar Rygel the 16th -- removes the PK tech from the ships systems.
    I actually got annoyed by that Crichtonism. How in the frell are these aliens on the other side of the galaxy suppose to understand an Earth pop culture reference. I was never that confused about the Zhaan thing. I always thought it was in relation to her mystical energies when we saw her share Moya's pain
    John's eye-twitch is only fun for so long, though. Rygel taking a bite out of Aeryn's arm... Seriously?! And he swallows that bit like a boss. If they hadn't had need for Rygel's size, Zhaan might have let Aeryn take a bite out of him.
    Good thing the eye twitch was only in the opening scene. To me that is classic Rygel. When they challenge his selfishness, he just fights back. At this point I think Zhaan trusted Rygel more than Aeryn. She was their enemy.
    Aeryn and D'Argo up in that tree -- *snort*
    They have such low expectations about John. However, Aeryn was right when she would have to rescue both of them in less than an ahn (?), even if she was a little busy keeping Zhaan connected to Moya, reluctantly I might add, like she was touching something she shouldn't.
    I love these early episodes where they think so lowly of Crichton because he lives on such a backward planet. I don't think I agree with you. The episode proves that she was not needed to rescue John since John rescued D'Argo. At this point I think no one realizes his value of John. I do think its stupid how John doesn't have a pulse pistol.
    No real memorable best lines I can think of, though John's aftertought about his eye rolling out of its socket did coerce a chuckle out of me.
    I liked Rygel's whinning about mud
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    I E.T.

    From watching them as a kid, this is the Farscape episode of which I had the clearest memory.

    I have no idea why.
    I have no idea. Its one of the ones I forget the most. Although their are other I forget a lot. I can't stomach Taking the Stone for example.
    As Jelgate mentioned above, the plot is forgettable. And yet, my neurons favoured saving ‘I.ET’ rather than Year 7 trigonometry.
    I hated college trig with a passion. Especially the trig identities
    The set up kind of reminds me of that old 60’s show The Fugitive. Every week, Richard Kimble would stumble upon an innocent family (usually a widowed mother with a son), every week they would give him aid. He would help them in return. I hated that show.
    No comment as I have never seen this show.
    My main puzzle with ‘I E.T’ is why it’s so early in the series run…

    Episode one: shoot your ‘hero’ into a psychotic Technicolor universe of creatures and critters. Everything is totally different, alien. Episode two: strand him on Earth mark II (complete with mid-America humanoids). Why?
    The Peackeeper beacon. It would make no sense for that beacon to be transmitting after episode 10. We would be asking, why didn't Crais catch him.
    Later in the series, he could get real homesick about the similarities. But from the viewer’s perspective, he’s only been away in space for about 45 minutes.
    I think Crichton get less homesick as the time goes on. He still misses Earth but at the same time he has grown attached to his friends.
    The only thing I can think of is that it gives Crichton a lot of opportunity to show and directly say to Mom, Kid and the audience that he’s new to this all too. Maybe it’s exactly a Star Trek ‘let’s go down to this Earth-parallel world’ rip off to reinforce that this isn’t normal for Crichton. Unlike Kirk, he has no clue what he’s doing and is as confused as the audience is?

    Or maybe it’s just a rip off
    I hate the word rip-off. I think its a lazy excuse for fan to complain. Critcism is one thing but to call it a rip-off is lazy. In science fiction, most stories can be said where done in Star Trek. I do think your analysis is spot on. The whole Mom thing is to show the innocence in Crichton at this point. As I said in my review, I think this episode exists to build characters.
    I still can’t figure out what’s going on with the translator microbes in this episode. If Mom and kid are from a world before first contact, how can they understand Crichton? I must have missed something...
    Don't overthink it. The microbes are just a plot device to justify everyone speaking English.
    Again, from an editor’s point of view there are some very nice shots, but not as much as the premier. For those that are interested in these things (*tumble weed blows through thread*) my reel of usable vidding footage for I.ET is 43 seconds…comparatively the Premier was about 1 minute 40. Lots of pans and zooms, although mainly on interiors. The exterior shots are still quite locked down. Oh, and Moya’s crash into the lake is good (CGI water is difficult I believe).
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    CG water is one of the hardest things to do, and it's only been in recent years where computing has gone up in capacity and speed, and the programs have been expanded, that CG-companies have been able to create realistic water.
    I am by no means an expert when it comes to CGI but you notice how they gave us pictures from Moya's viewscreen of the crashing of the ship. I think it gives less CGI which is why it looks a lot better
    It's quite literally still hit and miss. [/QUOTE]
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    I,ET
    Ok I'm doing this on my phone so this could be interesting. I agree with jel (someone write this down) . This ep was all about character development. We get more of johns quick wit and just before they go to planet I like the exchange he has with aeryn. She is working through her peacekeeper responsibilities and trying to find her place in this new group. I love johns response to her "join the club" at them both being homeless.

    Here's what I especially loved about the episode:
    Creative solutions
    Once again I love how they are forced to think outside of the box with regard to the beacon. So they beached Moyà. This interesting solution gave them a unique opportunity to work together and we could learn more about these characters.

    Mirrored earth world
    This world gave a unique opportunity to share with the group a little slice of what Earth looks like. I think this was important so they could relate to John I loved d'argos comment to aeryn saying he is such a barbarian and then him asking if that bothered her. She promptly replied with no. I also loved John reference to Yoda with of course aeryn clueless. I love those moments.
    Character development
    Here is the meat of the episode. Again we see johns humor with the stun thing. His compassion for the mother and son. Although I almost cringed when he kissed her when leaving I had a bit of Kirk syndrome going on in my mind hoping they weren't going to pattern John after that space playboy like Kirk.

    Zhaan's deep compassion and cool headed nature and finally we see aeryn starting to loosen up as well although the tension between Rygel and Aeryn is interesting. I have to admit I didn't remember that rivalry.
    I loved how (as jel mentioned) you really get a feel for Moya and that living feel. And I had to giggle at the bone knife and what that was all about.
    Builds the team
    Finally we see the characters gelling as a team. Loved how John refused to leave without D and then the exchange that aeryn and D had about her having to come back for them. That established they were not willing to leave anyone behind.

    All in all this ep was a great format to highlight great character moments. Which again is the reason why I love this show.
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    Don't overthink it. The microbes are just a plot device to justify everyone speaking English.
    Yeah you're right. And I can usually just go with the 'all species speak English'. It’s just odd for Farscape in that they do usually keep things consistent in-Universe, and they do reference how the translation actually works throughout the series.

    Like in the later series 1 episode
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    Human Reaction, Aeryn and Jack can’t understand each other and they have Crichton translating between in a very cool way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    CG water is one of the hardest things to do, and it's only been in recent years where computing has gone up in capacity and speed, and the programs have been expanded, that CG-companies have been able to create realistic water.

    It's quite literally still hit and miss.
    Yes and fire as well
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    I,ET
    Ok I'm doing this on my phone so this could be interesting. I agree with jel (someone write this down) . This ep was all about character development. We get more of johns quick wit and just before they go to planet I like the exchange he has with aeryn. She is working through her peacekeeper responsibilities and trying to find her place in this new group. I love johns response to her "join the club" at them both being homeless.
    Its only naturally you would agree with me. I am always right. I should of known you would focus on John and Aeryn you crazy shipper I said as much about Aeryn myself. She has lost her whole cultural identity.
    Here's what I especially loved about the episode:
    Creative solutions
    Once again I love how they are forced to think outside of the box with regard to the beacon. So they beached Moyà. This interesting solution gave them a unique opportunity to work together and we could learn more about these characters.
    Its hard to argue that Farscape goes outside the box. I disagree with your assessment of calling this a creative solution. The Moya solution is cut the device from Moya ( I don't want to know what the Tokkar knife is used for) and use a sedative to ease her pain. Its not creative. As we have said before, Farscape is a slow out of the gate

    Mirrored earth world
    This world gave a unique opportunity to share with the group a little slice of what Earth looks like. I think this was important so they could relate to John I loved d'argos comment to aeryn saying he is such a barbarian and then him asking if that bothered her. She promptly replied with no. I also loved John reference to Yoda with of course aeryn clueless. I love those moments.
    I think its two folded. The like Earth is to reemphasized of how Crichton is homeless like the others. It also sets up the Aeryn and D'Argo in a tree scene. Which is hilarious by the way. At this point Aeryn considers D'Argo as a barbarian. Remember that snide comment she made about Luxans murdered innocent women and children. I found myself annoyed with John thinking others would understand his references
    Character development
    Here is the meat of the episode. Again we see johns humor with the stun thing. His compassion for the mother and son. Although I almost cringed when he kissed her when leaving I had a bit of Kirk syndrome going on in my mind hoping they weren't going to pattern John after that space playboy like Kirk.
    I often wonder why he doesn't get a weapon in these early episodes like we see later on. The kiss scene was strange. I didn't see the point in that at all.
    Zhaan's deep compassion and cool headed nature and finally we see aeryn starting to loosen up as well although the tension between Rygel and Aeryn is interesting. I have to admit I didn't remember that rivalry.
    That is why I have always loved Zhaan. She is by no means weak but at the same she always puts others above everyone else. All she cares about is how Moya is doing. Zhaan always puts others first. As for Rygel, I just think its how everyone is at odds of him because of his selfishness.
    I loved how (as jel mentioned) you really get a feel for Moya and that living feel. And I had to giggle at the bone knife and what that was all about.
    I don't want to know what that knife is used for. If S1 has a theme pre-Scorpy its the exploration of Moya.
    Builds the team
    Finally we see the characters gelling as a team. Loved how John refused to leave without D and then the exchange that aeryn and D had about her having to come back for them. That established they were not willing to leave anyone behind.
    Don't forget the tension. You can feel how since its early how that don't trust each. Especially Aeryn because she was their enemy. You ever think in these early episodes that part of the reason people look down on John is because he looks like a Sebeccean?
    All in all this ep was a great format to highlight great character moments. Which again is the reason why I love this show.
    I think it does a good job of characters and plot. The latter more after S1
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    Its only naturally you would agree with me. I am always right. I should of known you would focus on John and Aeryn you crazy shipper I said as much about Aeryn myself. She has lost her whole cultural identity.

    Its hard to argue that Farscape goes outside the box. I disagree with your assessment of calling this a creative solution. The Moya solution is cut the device from Moya ( I don't want to know what the Tokkar knife is used for) and use a sedative to ease her pain. Its not creative. As we have said before, Farscape is a slow out of the gate


    I think its two folded. The like Earth is to reemphasized of how Crichton is homeless like the others. It also sets up the Aeryn and D'Argo in a tree scene. Which is hilarious by the way. At this point Aeryn considers D'Argo as a barbarian. Remember that snide comment she made about Luxans murdered innocent women and children. I found myself annoyed with John thinking others would understand his references

    I often wonder why he doesn't get a weapon in these early episodes like we see later on. The kiss scene was strange. I didn't see the point in that at all.

    That is why I have always loved Zhaan. She is by no means weak but at the same she always puts others above everyone else. All she cares about is how Moya is doing. Zhaan always puts others first. As for Rygel, I just think its how everyone is at odds of him because of his selfishness.


    I don't want to know what that knife is used for. If S1 has a theme pre-Scorpy its the exploration of Moya.
    Don't forget the tension. You can feel how since its early how that don't trust each. Especially Aeryn because she was their enemy. You ever think in these early episodes that part of the reason people look down on John is because he looks like a Sebeccean?


    I think it does a good job of characters and plot. The latter more after S1
    It's too late to quote every section like you did so you'll just have to figure out what I'm responding to about the creative solution. The creative solution was the bit about how to dampen the beacon. Yes they had to cut it out true, but it was transmitting. If they simply stayed where they were the Peacekeepers would've tracked them and found them, so they had to come up with a creative solution to stop the beacon from transmitting. I liked again that John came up with the water or the bog from the planet would act as a dampening field. That was once again using their wits to figure out ways to survive their situation. Hence I think it was a creative solution.And I think it was important that John figured that out and suggested it, as he is trying to build their trust right now and prove that he is a smart guy and scientist to more or less prove his worth to them. I think these early eps were critical to give John credibility with the other crew members
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    He knows about mud.
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    Akk.......
    Seems like I have missed the first 2 eps, but I will endeavour to make that up this week (mothers day weekend has been a bit nuts for me with wife and sick mom) I will watch both tomorrow and comment on them then.
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    It's too late to quote every section like you did so you'll just have to figure out what I'm responding to about the creative solution. The creative solution was the bit about how to dampen the beacon. Yes they had to cut it out true, but it was transmitting. If they simply stayed where they were the Peacekeepers would've tracked them and found them, so they had to come up with a creative solution to stop the beacon from transmitting. I liked again that John came up with the water or the bog from the planet would act as a dampening field. That was once again using their wits to figure out ways to survive their situation. Hence I think it was a creative solution.And I think it was important that John figured that out and suggested it, as he is trying to build their trust right now and prove that he is a smart guy and scientist to more or less prove his worth to them. I think these early eps were critical to give John credibility with the other crew members
    Since I'm the one who planned out the logistics of this rewatch I have some dedication to trying to keep the conversations going. I try to comment on everyone's reviews to make the rewatch worthwhile. My post on Sunday morning comment on Premiere reviews took me an hour to post. Shame on you SQ for not being clear. I thought you were talking about the cholorium. I give you a little more credit on weakening the beacon, but is it still that creative? It makes sense if you can't destroy a distress signal then you weaken it
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    Seems like I have missed the first 2 eps, but I will endeavour to make that up this week (mothers day weekend has been a bit nuts for me with wife and sick mom) I will watch both tomorrow and comment on them then.
    The schedule is a rough estimate so someone doesn't get episodes and episodes ahead. We all have real lives. Some more than others *looks at SQ* I knew that we can't always watch on the Saturday and Sundays. One week of episodes fall on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. For me it will be hard to watch Farscape on those days. Especially Christmas Eve.
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    Since I'm the one who planned out the logistics of this rewatch I have some dedication to trying to keep the conversations going. I try to comment on everyone's reviews to make the rewatch worthwhile. My post on Sunday morning comment on Premiere reviews took me an hour to post. Shame on you SQ for not being clear. I thought you were talking about the cholorium. I give you a little more credit on weakening the beacon, but is it still that creative? It makes sense if you can't destroy a distress signal then you weaken it
    What are you saying here jel? That I'm not dedicated to the same level that you are to this rewatch? Still I think it is creative. Yes! I mean John at first mentions doing something to dampen it and they shot him down because the beacon was using Moya's entire hull as an amplifier. They (the crew) were almost annoyed at John for even trying to "brainstorm" if you will at thinking of something that may work as to them they saw no solution and were pretty much resigned to their fate. I think Zhaan even said....we have no choice but to sit here and wait to die basically...then John was like wait a moment....what if we do this? And then it got them thinking. This shows John's tenacity for never giving up and working hard to find a creative solution to a problem in order to increase their odds of survival. This reminds me also of that movie "The Martian" In which Matt Damon had to "Science the ****" out of his situation in order to survive. I loved that movie!

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    The schedule is a rough estimate so someone doesn't get episodes and episodes ahead. We all have real lives. Some more than others *looks at SQ* I knew that we can't always watch on the Saturday and Sundays. One week of episodes fall on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. For me it will be hard to watch Farscape on those days. Especially Christmas Eve.
    *glares back* ahem....
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    What are you saying here jel? That I'm not dedicated to the same level that you are to this rewatch?
    Yes
    Still I think it is creative. Yes! I mean John at first mentions doing something to dampen it and they shot him down because the beacon was using Moya's entire hull as an amplifier. They (the crew) were almost annoyed at John for even trying to "brainstorm" if you will at thinking of something that may work as to them they saw no solution and were pretty much resigned to their fate.
    I would say that is more indictive of how primitive they find Crichton at this point in the series. Like the D'Argo and Zhaan in the tree scene

    I think Zhaan even said....we have no choice but to sit here and wait to die basically...then John was like wait a moment....what if we do this? And then it got them thinking. This shows John's tenacity for never giving up and working hard to find a creative solution to a problem in order to increase their odds of survival. This reminds me also of that movie "The Martian" In which Matt Damon had to "Science the ****" out of his situation in order to survive. I loved that movie!
    I don't disagree that describes John's personanility. He has that outsider perspective but I don't find landing in a bog creative. It was an intelligent idea but not creative. Creative is unorthodox. Landing in a bog was smart but not creative.
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    I say it's creative....landing in a bog is pretty unorthodox dude That's my story and I'm sticking with it!
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    Last week was successful. Lets hope the trend continue.

    Exodus from Genesis
    I remember recalling on S1 of how the writers like to alternate between planet and Moya episodes. I have always liked the Moya episodes more. For one Pilot and Rygel gets more to do in these type of episodes and it allows for more character interaction when they are all stuck on the ship. If I,ET had good character interactions with a bad story then this episode had both. What has always made Farscape fun to watch is how they turn classic science fiction ideas and do something totally different. Their is nothing original about this episode. Space bugs and cloning the protangnists are concepts decades older than Farscape.What makes it different is that the story didn't have us victorious over the alien savages. It was how we negotiated with the bugs to come to a peaceful solution. That brings me to the main point of the review. I didn't find the previous episode were centered on a single person. This episode is clearly a Crichton episode. I suppose its an episode that is needed after John has been stranded on the other side of the galaxy. This to me shows their is an easing of the contempt others have for Crichton. Remember the last episode where no one thinks highly of Crichton? That is the point. To show just because he is from a primitive world, Crichton does have value. I am reminded of John's scene with Zhaan (will talk more of that later)of how John has to prove his value through actions. That is how John's characterization is tied to the episode. He showed his worth to me by outwitting the Peacekeepers and finding a better way than killing the space bugs. What was up with the Peacekeepers and those weird eyebrows by the way? Besides that were just fodder enemies. After the main story we have the heat delirium. I know it has bigger impact down the line, but for this episodes it was nothing more than a plot device to make the excess heat of the bugs severe for the crew. If not for Aeryn, the heat would have been an annoyance. What makes this episode and show great are these little character scenes. They are not really relevant to the episode but they contribute later down the road when the show is more serialized. Scenes like where Pilot feels sorry for his former enemy or where despite D'Argo throwing Rygel ( Love his anger at D'Argo) he tries to honor his ancestors. Their are several more to name but I don't want to list them all. I think it helps paint a picture of how these characters interact. A final mention of the two John and Zhaan scenes. Anyone who knows me, knows that I love Zhaan. She is one of my favorite character. I loved how she could be violent but at the same time have the serene wisdom. I loved her scenes because at this point in the show, she is the only one not disgusted with John. The wisdom and empathy of her helping outsiders really spoke to me
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    I watched both episodes today but you're only getting the first today, and the second tomorrow.

    Exodus From Genesis

    Even if it looks gross I wouldn't mind a bug in my mouth cleaning my teeth -- and minty is fine. I like minty.

    Bugs on a spaceship, and then to create friction we bring in the enemy as an added bonus. I'd totally forgotten about the heat bothering the PK's.

    I loved all the little character moments. Rygel, again, saving the day.
    D'Argo and Crighton, Aeryn and Crighton, Zhaan and Crighton (time and space).

    Rygel and his painting.

    Also, notice how Anthony Simcoe is not always wearing his green contacts. One episode he is, the next he's not.

    Something that also rarely happens in the show is the use of the computer animated Rygel which they use when he walks into the nest. It's a bad character CG though - the detail of Rygel's appearance is entirely lost in the animated version. It's a cheap copy.
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    Exodus From Genesis
    Well I really don't have much more to say WOW I didn't notice the green contacts as FH had mentioned. Nor did I notice the lack of detail from the CG Rygel so kudos to FH to have the eagle eye.

    And Jel I loved your take on the bits about John and how the crew came to appreciate John as the whole episode was about respecting even the Lesser Life forms. That yes even lowly humans have worth.

    And also as jel pointed out again what makes Farscape great are the creative solutions. They found a way to "defeat" the intruders in a most symbiotic way. This has always been why I love this show. Because anyone can shoot their way through a solution (You gotta love D'argo and his constant stance for battle readiness ) But I find it so refreshing that with this show and especially Crichton along with Peace loving Zhaan that they usually always manage to find a solution with the least amount of resistance necessary. While this could get annoying if they never used violence, I just love how they find creative ways to escape their situations with as little fight and blood shed as possible.

    I want to give my few beefs about the episode though:

    Zhaan the Hyper Artist: I do love that Zhaan has this ability to perform tasks at break neck speeds, what I have issue with from one artist to another is that while she is completing the painting for Rygel she is shown only painting on the canvas, there was no "animation or actions" showing her going back to her palette of paints getting more paint. That was really a glaring omission to me. How could you possible paint a picture without dipping your brush into more paint and or mixing colors, etc. So BAH the authenticity of that bugged me.

    The other thing that sort of "bugged" me literally is the size of these creatures and how once the Genesis was complete how did all these larger bugs and clones and that what appeared to be a very huge mother like species in the nest room get off the ship? I mean they showed the swarm leaving the ship and that's fine but how did they clear out all the big bug elements from the ship? That would've been a massive undertaking. They did show the DRD cleaning up the blue goo, but there was a lot of that stuff. So that left some doubt in my mind at the end.

    Finally the one last bit of science that didn't quite sit with me was how did the cloning occur right down to a perfect replica of the clothing? How was there any DNA for clothing? I didn't really dwell on this bit as many shows have presented cloning in this way. So meh.....I just rolled with it, cuz let's face it. At the end of the day how was it gonna work out to have the cloned crew walking around naked.

    But Here is what I loved about the show:

    Crichton Doesn't Always Save the Day

    I loved that this one went to Rygel! I think it could've been easy (as in the day of the Star Trek TOS) where it was always the same protagonist every week stepping up and being the hero. I loved that Rygel rose to the occasion and he found pride in doing so. So finally we get to see this soft side of Rygel and they found a way to soft sell Rygel by using the whole What would Rygel the First approach be?

    Along this line of thinking I loved how Zhaan and John had that convo about John's insecurities at this point. Again showing that John is a flawed character in that the rules of this world is always changing and John realizes from the start that he is at a disadvantage to everyone else because "At least they know where they are and how stuff works". I love that John recognizes his "fish out of water-ness". Unlike the Mary Sue like characters we get with Star Wars where the protagonist just somehow rises to the occasion and out performs no matter what is thrown at them.

    Also, Johns idea didn't pan out. His idea to mark them with the red mark (I had to laugh at D'argo's idea though LOL) was interesting. It was a small thing but I loved that John was wrong here. Again so many times when one of main characters come up with an idea it just always seems to work. This however didn't play out for them in quite the same way. It also served to keep the suspense of identification in play.

    John made decisions with his head and not his heart

    The fact that John cranked up the heat putting Aeryn at risk really spoke to me in just how early John is in his relationship with Aeryn at this point. After seeing the entire series (and I don't want to spoil too much here) I really don't think the John in season 3 wouldn't made this same decision. It was even surprising to me that at this point D'Argo even makes mention of it like wow dude you put Aeryn at risk. Well don't get use to it D....
    But in by doing that...it caused the PK's to become weakened and well let me just say I do love the whole Heat Delirium concept. I think that again just really ramped up the terror they were experiencing and it allowed us as the audience to see Aeryn's weakness too. And the big bad Peace keepers how in all this ...this could be potentially their Achilles heel.

    Zhaan and Rygel's dual roles as Ambassadors
    I loved how Zhaan's character was used to allow the entity to communicate with the crew and wow that sort of freaked me out when we first encountered Zhaan's clone and the whole vomiting of the blue goo. THat was akin to the Alien movie and it was a complete shock and unexpected and I loved that!

    You gotta love how Rygel rose up and despite his selfishness and constant complaining at the end of the day he went in and communed and helped to communicate their intent as well. Such a selfless act for him and it gave him lots of great points because let's face it Rygel could've fast become rather annoying with this constant complaining but this just made him such a likeable character and valuable part of the crew. Place that against the way in which D'argo more or less threw him into the wall in the first place. You had to laugh as he and John did at Rygel's response. LOL

    It the end of the day I think this episode was about showing the weaknesses and strengths of these characters. Another really strong character ep and about team work and using creativity and out of the box thinking to get them out of their jam. Taking risks despite the odds and coming together to defeat the "enemy" without violence and actually turning the tables and seeing it not as an enemy at all but rather another life form just trying to complete it's cycle. Compassion and appreciation for even the smallest of life forms was I think the overall theme of the ep. Horton Hears a Who anyone?
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