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    Versus Zoom (218)

    Visit the Episode GuideTHE FLASH - SEASON TWO
    VERSUS ZOOM
    EPISODE NUMBER - 218
    Convinced he has acquired enough speed to beat Zoom, Barry looks to open a breach -- making a way for his enemy to come through and once again wreak havoc on the people he loves. Harry reveals Hunter Zoloman's frightening history on Earth-2.

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    Last edited by GateWorld; 23 April 2016, 08:52 PM.

    #2
    I really liked this episode all except for Barry still giving up his speed after Zoom had handed over Wally first. At that point Barry had a huge advantage and still gave up his speed.

    Still don't know who's in the mask I'm thinking Hunters dad. Maybe the actual Jay Gerrick.

    Also not sure why Barry tried to reason with Hunter he should have been put in a cell immediately.
    Last edited by Jeffer; 20 April 2016, 12:13 PM.
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      #3
      YEa.. That was almost a 'Doc evil being standardly stupid' moment... Why didn't he beat him out cold, lock him in one of those 'powerless cells, THEN remiss him about why...

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        #4
        I don't understand the explanation for the second Jay. Why doesn't murdering his past self erase himself from existence?

        I thought it was pretty weird how they just showed the explanation for the Supergirl crossover, but then ignored it entirely.

        Harry: There is no way to another Earth!
        Flash: Yep, and I sure didn't just come from one like just now.

        Also I'm pretty sure Wally was watching a Formula 1 race from like two decades ago.
        "First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"

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          #5
          Quite a few things that I didn’t think added up about the Zoom explanation.


          - Now-Zoom and Caitlin discuss things as if it happened between them and not past-Zoom. Unless Now-Zoom remembers those things in real-time from his past self.
          And if they are so closely connected:
          - Now-Zoom went back in time to team up with past-Zoom in order to be on 2 worlds at once. Now-Zoom said he convinced past-Zoom to be murdered, so why doesn’t that erase now-Zoom?

          - Hunter Zolomon was immediately recognized by Wells and said he was quite famous on Earth-2. Why did no one recognize “Jay Garrick” Flash as him?
          - “Jay” had a background in science that he demonstrated on several instances to Caitlin that couldn’t have been scripted or planned ahead of time. So far as we know, Hunter Zolomon never had the opportunity to become proficient in advanced sciences.
          - Now-Zoom admits to having the sickness from Velocity. So did past-Zoom (Jay) but their lightning were 2 different colors. Judging from Trajectory, this is a side-effect of Velocity, but it’s unlikely that it’s directly related to only speed, as Barry was going faster than Zoom this episode.

          Any others I missed?
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            #6
            If this was a Zolomon from before he gained speedster powers then why is he dying? Isn't it the Velocity drugs that were killing him?
            "First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"

            *You got the touch! You got the poweeeeer!*

            "Arise, Woolseyus Prime."

            "Elizabeth..."

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              #7
              Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View Post
              I don't understand the explanation for the second Jay. Why doesn't murdering his past self erase himself from existence?
              Maybe the back time Jay was a different reality's one.. Perhaps that is who the man in the mask is.. The real Jay..

              Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View Post
              I thought it was pretty weird how they just showed the explanation for the Supergirl crossover, but then ignored it entirely.

              Harry: There is no way to another Earth!
              Flash: Yep, and I sure didn't just come from one like just now.
              It was kinda fubar that they didn't even Mention that..

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                #8
                Also, what exactly was Zoom's plan? He wanted them to think Jay was dead so Barry could go faster, but he also didn't want them to close the breach. Yet he still had Jay help them do so?
                "First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"

                *You got the touch! You got the poweeeeer!*

                "Arise, Woolseyus Prime."

                "Elizabeth..."

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Archaeis View Post
                  Quite a few things that I didn’t think added up about the Zoom explanation.


                  - Now-Zoom and Caitlin discuss things as if it happened between them and not past-Zoom. Unless Now-Zoom remembers those things in real-time from his past self.
                  And if they are so closely connected:
                  - Now-Zoom went back in time to team up with past-Zoom in order to be on 2 worlds at once. Now-Zoom said he convinced past-Zoom to be murdered, so why doesn’t that erase now-Zoom?

                  - Hunter Zolomon was immediately recognized by Wells and said he was quite famous on Earth-2. Why did no one recognize “Jay Garrick” Flash as him?
                  - “Jay” had a background in science that he demonstrated on several instances to Caitlin that couldn’t have been scripted or planned ahead of time. So far as we know, Hunter Zolomon never had the opportunity to become proficient in advanced sciences.
                  - Now-Zoom admits to having the sickness from Velocity. So did past-Zoom (Jay) but their lightning were 2 different colors. Judging from Trajectory, this is a side-effect of Velocity, but it’s unlikely that it’s directly related to only speed, as Barry was going faster than Zoom this episode.

                  Any others I missed?
                  Maybe Wells had herd the name but not actually seen his face because he was to wrapped up in the particular accelerater. And with Hunters hair cut short like that he did look different from the photo.

                  Hunter/Jay could have speed read books similar to what Barry has done.

                  The blue is from running faster using the speed drug. That women that used it didn't have her lightning turn blue until she ran faster on the second dose. Barry's didn't run blue because he didn't use the drug I think it is directly related to the drug.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View Post
                    If this was a Zolomon from before he gained speedster powers then why is he dying? Isn't it the Velocity drugs that were killing him?
                    I understood it differently. Zolomon took the Velocity 9 in order to gain speed, but one use is enough to make your Body unstable. How he actually lost his speed is still a mystery, but either Zoom stole it or he has become so addicted to the Drug that he cant speedup without it. The Zolomon that died was a future version and not past, again a reason why he would be powerless without the drug if he was that sick already.

                    The Guy in the Mask is most definatly Rani(not sure how his name is spelled). He split from the Professor inside the rift and dissapeared after. So either he was killed when the rift collapsed or he was thrown to the other Dimension, just like Zolomons Flash-Hat had appeared on Earth 1.
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                      #11
                      It could be Ronnie but that would be a very plausible explanation the line "You wouldn't believe me if I told you" makes me think it's someone we haven't meet.

                      As I write that it makes me think even more about that scene honestly Wally was gone and safe Barry could have attacked Zoom and put him in a cell they were all just sitting there like normal chatting. Everything that Barry did in this episode made absolutely no sense
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                        #12
                        It could be Ronnie but that would be a very plausible explanation the line "You wouldn't believe me if I told you" makes me think it's someone we haven't meet.

                        As I write that it makes me think even more about that scene honestly Wally was gone and safe Barry could have attacked Zoom and put him in a cell they were all just sitting there like normal chatting. Everything that Barry did in this episode made absolutely no sense
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jeffer View Post
                          It could be Ronnie but that would be a very plausible explanation the line "You wouldn't believe me if I told you" makes me think it's someone we haven't meet.

                          As I write that it makes me think even more about that scene honestly Wally was gone and safe Barry could have attacked Zoom and put him in a cell they were all just sitting there like normal chatting. Everything that Barry did in this episode made absolutely no sense
                          That would most likely make it a third Flash. The only thing he ever got out was Jay Garret, the fake name of Zoom. If he was Ronnie and wanting to tell him that, he would probably have used his own name.

                          As for Barry not taking down Zoom. We all should know there is a unspoken superhero codex. A Hero can never break his promisses, is amongst some of them. He wouldnt be much of a Hero, if he cheated.
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                            #14
                            An interesting theroy I just read

                            Hunter took his mom's name "Zolomon" when Hunter killed his mother. He told the police it was his dad and his Dad being a good person took the fall plus the police didn't belive him after Hunter said that his dad killed his mom. The name of Hunters dad Jay Gerrick and thus the man in the mask IS Jay, Hunters father
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by tomstone View Post
                              That would most likely make it a third Flash. The only thing he ever got out was Jay Garret, the fake name of Zoom. If he was Ronnie and wanting to tell him that, he would probably have used his own name.

                              As for Barry not taking down Zoom. We all should know there is a unspoken superhero codex. A Hero can never break his promisses, is amongst some of them. He wouldnt be much of a Hero, if he cheated.
                              How would he, beating zoom down and locking him up, be breaking his promise??

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