i think that's close enough
i think that's close enough
I typed a whole massive post and it got wiped, I hate it when that happens
Now I need to try and remember what I put.grrrr!
I love it when a character gets whumped physically as with Shep in 'The Defiant One' and you see them relying on their inner strength to see them through when physically they are just about spent. I also love when they are emotionally whumped and you see the outward changes that take place as they turn to whatever reserves they have left to see them through to the bitter end. I have become increasingly more and more impressed throughout the recent SGA episodes with the character progression of Sheppard. It is partly due to consistent writing but a lot I think is due to Joe's fine acting because we are seeing a change in Sheppard due to the strain he is under. He is becoming both more vulnerable and yet harder at the same time. In 'Letters from Pegasus' he was quite harsh, cold and distant at times and in 'The Gift' which I watched for the first time tonight, he was even more so. In the earlier part of the season when Sheppard was being snarky, there were usually two sides to it, the playful side where he was geniunely having fun with a situation and the harder edge to it if the situation was tense where he was revealing what he was really feeling. The snark has decreased recently and when it does happen, the playful side is virtually redundant and his quips comes across as rather brutal. Sheppard is like a computer whose hard drive has overloaded and he is systemically shutting down the less important functions in order to direct the remaining energy to what's most vital.
It was said when SGA began that O'Neill and Sheppard were alike because of the humour. It became apparent early on that there were a lot of differences but the way their characters respond to whumping is a big indicator of their differences. When O'Neill is 'up against it' he brings out the full snark cannon both as a defensive mechanism to deflect attention away from how he really feels and because offence is the best defence in his book. Sheppard however raises the drawbridge and goes into a kind of seige mentality. He's not going to waste energy or time on snark or anything for that matter because he's focussing on survival. I prefer Sheppard's way of handling things, it feels more real and human.
Oh dear... I thought you guys were kidding when you suggested making a new thread!
I didn't even notice it, cuz I've been using My Controls to navigate through GW - I only just clicked New Posts, and this pops up.
Anyway, I support whumping!
EXCELLENT analysis, smallgirl fabulous!! i agree 100%!!! *goes to pass some green smallgirl's way...*
Okay, time to add another computer slang word to my collection.
What does "Whump" mean?
whump: physical or emotional damage
Ahhh .. thank you.
*backs away slowly ..*
we scare ya off or something???
No, no, just ... observing from a safe distance - I mean ... it's all very interesting ... I think.
Edit: Actually, I do like seeing Shep get his keister kicked. especially by a girl. hehe.
lol... so ya must have liked hot zone...
feel free to watch from a distance... shep whumping is great from any distance
Originally Posted by mtee1958
Agreed!! At least we got a tag after 38 Minutes. In The Defiant One, I find it hard to believe that he got up and walked away with barely a grimace. There should have been some damage done and it would have been nice to have gotten some sadistic thrill over seeing the pain I guess that's what we have fanfic writers for After all, our heros are only human!
DEFIANT ONE really should have been a 2 parter. They could have done a whole second hour dealing with John's injuries and the reality of Gaul's death. BOth guys needed to deal with it and John could have helped Rodney with Gaul and his own guilt would have come into play, and all the while he would have been trying to avoid the infirmary. We NEED to SEE SHeppard and Carson interaction over Shep's injuries. NEED NEED NEED! LOLOriginally Posted by Salty
And this is why we have fanfics! Maybe TPTB need to hire a few fanfic writers Or at least have a suggestion box we can stuff
True Salty -there are alot of fabulous fanfic writers out there who have the characters nailed in both dialogue and dimension. You know the screen writers are aware of us - ala Citizen Joe (last week's Stargate ep) -- so maybe we will see more tag scenes dealing with this.
indeed.... SOME fanfic-ers have the characters down REALLY WELL!!! others don't, but well that gives us more options anyway
they really do need more whumping "aftermath" on the show!! and i concur with needing more after the defiant one!! mckay got an emotional whumping and shep got a physical whump BIG time.... poor guy...
I love the fanfic. As a writer I admit to WHUMPING Shep in pretty much every fic I've written. He's just made for it. Physically and emotionally.Originally Posted by emily_reich
I have to say the emotional WHUMP is starting to kick in in the last few eps for sure. It's breaking my heart and that's because of Joe. He's just giving Shep all the layers that the writers aren't giving us. LOL
And Joe/Shep are just perfect for Whumping of both the physical and the emotional kind. He just has this vulnerability to him. His beauty adds to the overall effect. Yet he's just relentless when he gets whumped. It's watching the struggle and watching him NEVER give up that draws me to the whumping. Regardless of whether it's physical or emotional. THat's why I adore 38 minutes. IT was both.
And at the end of DEFIANT, Shep did the right thing after Rodney told him Gaul didn't make it. They were both worn out and it was not the time to deal with it. THat's why they SO needed another hour. Just to deal with Shep's injuries. And for both men to deal with what had happened. Shep suffered the loss as much as Rodney. As the team leader you know he feels every loss as his own.
see, why is everyone so much more articulate than i am
yes exactly!!! it's that vulnerability that joe brings to the role that really makes it WORTH it (quite frankly) to have shep whumped... you can see him never give up and always try to keep that outward friendliness and security while you can tell he's wearing down slowly on the inside and it gets harder every time... he seems to me (especially as he seems very alone and private about most of his feelings and doesn't seem to let that many people get very close to him) like the kind of character that's headed for a breakdown... many characters have breakdowns and it just doesn't work sometimes... but i think shep is one character that it would fit very well and would truly be moving emotionally to see him breakdown when no one is there to see him....
Last night I rewatched what I think is the major Shep whumping episode: 38 Minutes. Everytime he grimaces in pain, I want to hug him to pieces!
At the end, when he's been revived and is in the infirmary -- you can see the outline of his legs under the blanket -- IS HE WEARING ANYTHING BEYOND THE TOP??!! My fingers were itching to yank away the blanket!
Originally Posted by emily_reich
That's it exactly. In some fanfic characters are whumped or have breakdowns that just don't work for me. It's NOT the character. Fanfic is so you can write what you'll never get to see, but it should still be IN Character for the character. I should still hear the character's voice when I read it, or write it.
Shep is prime for a breakdown. I know alot of Rodney lovers love to write Rodney that way. But I don't see it. He verbalizes everything. He's getting HELP for what's stressing him <Future ep> He deals with things in his own way. He's alot tougher emotionally than people seem to want him to be.
So is Shep. But Shep doesn't share things. Doesn't talk about them. Doesn't get help. And he's suffered the most. He is so carrying the guilt of Sumner's deaht. Of waking the Wraith. He's the one guy who didn't even know what a STARGATE was until he stepped through it. And now he has all theses LIVES, not just the Atlanteans, resting on HIS shoulders. And he's a very passionate/caring man. He's the first one at the side of a fallen comrade. You can see Sheppard wearing down and starting to crack a bit in the last few eps. IT's beautiful and painful to watch.
I want the show to do an ep to SHOW this happening, but of course Sheppard will fight it all the way and win. And that would be fantastic to watch because of Joe.
I agree with you Merlin.Originally Posted by Merlin7
I really would like to know why Shep was all by himself when he was deciding whether to go on the expedition in Rising. Shep's bio states that his father is a respected Cold War general. Is his father so distant that Shep can't bring up that he is going away, possibly forever? When Shep was disciplined for disobeying orders in Afghanistan, did his father maybe not want to talk to him because of what he did? What was his father like when Shep was growing up? If he was a real disciplinarian, maybe that is why Shep distrusts authority.
I think maybe because of his childhood, that's why Shep doesn't share things. [Random thought: wonder if Shep's mother is still alive?]