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    The organic nature of Wraith ships are also a strength that probably won them the war. Yes, they're inferior in battle to non-organic ships that have shields and persistent hyperspace engines. At the same time, though, they're able to be grown on any planet at any time so long as there is enough energy available to feed them to "maturity." This means that it's impossible to damage their production capabilities to any real degree, allowing the Wraith to just kept pumping out ship after ship until they have overwhelming numbers. Ancient production capabilities, on the other hand, are very much vulnerable and a successful attack against an Ancient shipyard not only means they'd lose valuable in-production ships that they spent months working on, it also means the loss of the site itself, which would require time and energy to rebuild elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaeden View Post
    The organic nature of Wraith ships are also a strength that probably won them the war.
    The Ancient's advanced nature was both their greatest strength and greatest weakness. So i can see the poetic irony in the Wraith's greatest strength being their greatest weakness too.

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    Well, the Wraith are probably not that vulnerable to destruction of their supply lines, that's true (they basically can set up shop everywhere and carry all the necessary "tools" with them, too

    Hm...I wounder:

    Why didn't the ancients use the Dakara weapon (either take the old one to Pegasus or dial the Pegasus gates from the Milkyway or build a damned new one if you have to!) against them? (are they that close to humans, so that you'd wipe those out as well and if so: Why not at least wipe out their ships?)

    Hell, shut down the gates for a few years (humans did it with the "Avenger"-Virus, so why can't the gate builders? Hell, for all we know they could do this at the push of a button, without any virus!) and use the Attero-Device (the one that locks hyperspace for hyperdrives operating on certain frequencies and also blows up gates unfortunately - which you avoid by shutting the gate system down!) and then pick off the vulnerable Wraith (use drones (like the imperial probe droids in Star Wars!) to find them, move in and kill them!)...the Ancients really are bad at strategical planning and thinking...I'd rather face the Wraith freaking ALONE than with an Ancient by my side because I would fear that his stupidity sabotages me!

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    Because the Lanteans never set up shop in Pegasus to continue their race. The Ancients' sole goal was to ascend, and anyone who achieved it was barred from helping others. Basically, Ascension was the ancient's biggest brain drain. So there was no incentive for the Ancients to win, just more incentive for them to ascend faster. Considering some of the Ancient's experiments in Pegasus, they also became more desperate with that.

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    I'd really like to know the reason for that, frankly stupid, rule! Hell, if you know how to ascend and have done so without help then who are they to dictate rules (also: What do ascended people do all day? They don't have to eat, they can't help "lower" races, so isn't ascenscion basically hell? (Just like that Q who wanted to die in Star Trek!) You are a spirit without much of a body and you can't do anything!) Hell, their rules don't seem to be absolute! The Ori, also ascended beings (!), freaking did as they pleased and nobody was enforcing the rules on them! The Ancients only protected a few galaxies (Milkyway and Pegasus and maybe some others) against them! Not to mention that you can descend again (and keep hold of a few pieces of knowledge (chief among them: How to ascend, so you could basically descend, tinker with stuff and if you start getting old or if someone kills you? Well: You ascend and then descend again and continue where you've left off!))

    Hm...if that was their only goal, then why not settle on a hard to access planet, stop technological development (so no project Arcturus for example!), cease contact with the rest of the universe and concentrate on ascending? I don't think every ancient wanted to ascend (I bet many knew that it was basically hell!), Janus for example surely didn't (otherwise he wouldn't have tinkered with all kinds of stuff, like the Time-Jumper, the Atero-Device etc.)

    So no, I disagree that ascenscion was their only goal at that point (if it had been then they could have left at start of the Wraith-War! Recall all ships, launch Atlantis (with the cover off dozens, if not more, weapon satellites!) and leave Pegasus for good!)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laxian of Earth View Post

    Hm...I wounder:


    Why didn't the ancients use the Dakara weapon (either take the old one to Pegasus or dial the Pegasus gates from the Milkyway or build a damned new one if you have to!) against them? (are they that close to humans, so that you'd wipe those out as well and if so: Why not at least wipe out their ships?)
    I wonder if the Atlantis Ancients even knew about the device. It was developed by dying Ancients to recreate life destroyed by the plague. That the whole city of Atlantis managed to escape infection suggests that the decision to move the city was done somewhat early on, whereas the decision to recreate life suggests a dying breath type action to ensure their legacy after it became evident that their fate was sealed.

    Sure, there could have been communication between the Ancients in both galaxies, but it also makes sense that as he plague spread the remnants of their civilization would fracture into groups devoted to their own last ditch efforts (Dakara, time travel, ascension, etc.) and not necessarily consider it important to keep each other abreast of what they were doing. The Ancients who established them in Pegasus, meanwhile, seemed disinclined to go back to the Milky Way at any point after to scavenge for information or technology given that they had no idea what to expect when they finally decided they had to return to Earth to escape the Wraith (they thought they would find more remains of their former civilization). This makes sense because there would be a fear that he plague would somehow have remained in some form (which it did in Ayiana) and until the end of the Wraith war there was no reason to take that risk.

    It's also quite possible that Atlantis broke off all contact with the remaining Milky Way Ancients because they didn't want them to know where they went out of concern that some might try to follow them.

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    I was thinking more along the line of some device that could jam Wraith's telepathic abilities. Imagine how bad that would cripple them, they would literally be unable to use any of their tech, communicate or even pilot their ships.

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    I always assumed it was referring to the cloning facility. They said that was why they had a vast numerical superiority over the Ancients. And that having superior numbers was the only reason the Wraith could defeat the Ancients.


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