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    Visit the Episode GuideDOCTOR WHO - SEASON 35 (9)
    FACE THE RAVEN
    EPISODE NUMBER - 3510 (910)
    Rigsy helps Clara and the Doctor locate a hidden safe haven for aliens inside the streets of London, where Clara puts her life on the line when she learns that her friend has been sentenced to death.

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    Thats all I can really say atm...

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    "You don't know half of it".
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    That was a bloody good episode. Best this series IMO.

    Going to watch it again.

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    That's what happens when you play at being The Doctor. It backfires in the most ridiculous way. It had to happen sooner or later.

    But to die in Diagon Alley of all places..

    I know it's supposed to be sad, it was all drawn out and dramatic.. But.. What was she thinking?

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    All I can say is it was terrible and PERFECT!!!

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    terrible because there were moments were i was like "Clara cannot not die" and PERFECT because there were moments where Clara cannot die but seemingly did.

    this was much better than the series opener, where it felt Clara COULD die, during this episode i was like "NO CLARA CAN NOT DIE, THIS IS NOT HER TIME!!!" and if that proves to be her last (chronological) appearance I would be happy.

    I was begging Rigsby not to let her sacrifice herself (even though in general i would have personally changed a few lines of dialogue.)

    of course (potential spoilers for un-aired episodes
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    if the rumours i have read are correct, then Clara is appearing near Lake Scilenco so suspect Clara is not really dead (or we will be introduced as another time echo), but if she was REALLY DEAD .... WELL PLAYED MOFFAT because it horrible and incomplete ... AND PERFECT because when Clara dies there was only on way to kill Clara and that was with a painful death that should hurt.


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    Well, the trailers all week, and the BBC Voiceover Guy before the episode spoiled it, so..

    The opening episodes stuck in the Dalek casing it seemed like she could die (^ no need to use spoiler tags for that bit) and I was concerned knowing that she was leaving. But tonight.. not so much.

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    Capaldi even revealed it as her last proper episode on The Graham Norton Show last night, so I knew this was her last proper episode.

    I did think as soon as she took the tattoo she was done for, but it played on the back of my mind there might be some massive twist for her not to die

    It was said this would tie into the finale, but I didnt realise how much it would... (even though I kinda know whats coming up from the last 2 episode teasers...)

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    Loved this episode.

    So glad to see the back of Clara! She got exactly what she deserved!

    Some truely wonderful Doctor moments though, and the Street was executed perfectly! Enjoyed this episode considerably!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyboy View Post
    Loved this episode.

    So glad to see the back of Clara! She got exactly what she deserved!

    Some truely wonderful Doctor moments though, and the Street was executed perfectly! Enjoyed this episode considerably!
    OI! Clara was awesome!

    Ok fair enough I get people have differing opinions on Clara. Personally I love her, but can we spare a thought for the Doctor here? I mean arguably, Clara is actually one of his most important companions, especially with knowing so much about his past. Possibly more than any Companion before except maybe Romana and Susan. And then on top of that the fact that she is literally dead. Not just lost or left, but stone cold dead as a door nail... The Doctor will not get over this any time soon.

    That being said I think we'll see Clara again some day. The awesome thing about Clara is that her essence was woven throughout the Doctor's timeline so there's no reason why some version of her such as Oswin or similar won't turn up at some point in the future.
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    This was way better then last week's episode.

    Oh my Questions:

    1. Who did Ashildr make a deal for to get the Doctor?
    2. You can pass the death on but not escape it, so does that mean Rigsy will die?
    3. Why is this confession dial such a big deal?

    I wonder who the alien is?

    Preview shows that the Doctor might know who it is...

    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    This was way better then last week's episode.

    Oh my Questions:

    1. Who did Ashildr make a deal for to get the Doctor?
    2. You can pass the death on but not escape it, so does that mean Rigsy will die?
    3. Why is this confession dial such a big deal?

    I wonder who the alien is?

    Preview shows that the Doctor might know who it is...

    Interesting.
    2. It was all about the wording. "You can pass it on, but you cannot Cheat it all together" Passing it on, was already cheating. It makes sense, since thats the only way this thing would be a threat. Otherwise just pass it to someone nobody wants to die and voila.

    There is one thing I dont get and am certain has a purpose. Anyone notice how first the black guy with the glasses was hoping for the old man not to run away from his love and then the Doctor saying the same thing to Clara. It felt odd, as if the solution or some other meaning was in there somewhere.

    Clara will surely come back. She is part of his timeline now, so eventhough she is dead. She will still show up to save him and he will try to do vice versa which will make his condition worse.

    Talking about his condition. Is it just me, or is our Doctor spiraling toward being a bad man? Ever since Capaldi took over, the Doctor seemed less worried about lost lives. The only thing that kept him caring was Clara. I somehow get the feeling it will take him some time to find a new companion and in the course of that, make some very questionable choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomstone View Post
    2. It was all about the wording. "You can pass it on, but you cannot Cheat it all together" Passing it on, was already cheating. It makes sense, since thats the only way this thing would be a threat. Otherwise just pass it to someone nobody wants to die and voila.

    Clara will surely come back. She is part of his timeline now, so eventhough she is dead. She will still show up to save him and he will try to do vice versa which will make his condition worse.

    Talking about his condition. Is it just me, or is our Doctor spiraling toward being a bad man? Ever since Capaldi took over, the Doctor seemed less worried about lost lives. The only thing that kept him caring was Clara. I somehow get the feeling it will take him some time to find a new companion and in the course of that, make some very questionable choices.


    A darker Doctor. This is actually great. I want more of that. We should have had 10 do more of The Timelord Victorious...

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    IF she is resurrected... I'll be a pissed off fan, and I will bring down the wrath of the Ogri themselves upon Moffat...

    When Clara took the mark, my 8 year old said - Oh no, I don't want Clara to die... And of course I knew what he didn't - she's left the show... Time, is up... And yet - watching the Doctor do all but nothing... I hated that aspect - him watching, not doing... I expected maybe he'd grab her out the way of the raven and pop Clara in the suspended animation machine...? But no...

    Then, I expected him to walk back in carrying her body, place it lovingly somewhere.... then be teleported by

    (really - stay spoiler free if you can..... don't click it...)

    Spoiler:
    the Time Lords...


    But he just - what - left her in the street...

    I've wanted a companion to die since Army/Doomsday...... but.... this reality isn't fitting my reality.

    IF Clara returns this season... it better be another splinter. But I'm not sure if she will... (and - I hope not... It'll just cheapen this... whatever this is.)

    Oh - btw - Loved the ep. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    Capaldi even revealed it as her last proper episode on The Graham Norton Show last night, so I knew this was her last proper episode.

    I did think as soon as she took the tattoo she was done for, but it played on the back of my mind there might be some massive twist for her not to die

    It was said this would tie into the finale, but I didnt realise how much it would... (even though I kinda know whats coming up from the last 2 episode teasers...)
    The BBC have been a little too eager to share the details of Clara's demise, I'm not convinced as yet that this was what it appeared to be, but we'll see.

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    Peter Capaldi's best episode, i think there going to be even better from now on, im not a clara hater, but until recently i've found they just didnt click ya know? there seemed to be something off about the pair all the way through season 8..... she was great with Matt Smith (not as good as the ponds tho), and she was great in s9 with Peter Capaldi, but now that she is gone from Doctor Who i think Peter Capaldi's Doctor is going to shine, i may even end up liking him more than Matt Smith (and his my favorite Doctor)
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    Anyone else notice the absense of the robber who became immortal too? I wonder if that has something to do with it.
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    There enough clues here to say that Clara didn't die.

    Including that bloke with the suit on saying "Don't run, why do they always run" and the name of the episode all suggest Clara because she willing face the raven won't die.
    Plus we simply seen too much of her having a future to know she doesn't die.

    Plus if the raven is based on viking myths, the Raven were information gatherers not killers. An what the best way to gather information about someone than to suck their saul out an store it somewhere else.

    An I didn't see any white light when old man was killed, there was a white light when clara died.
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    Spoiler:
    They went to the trouble of playing out a very good goodbye/death scene for Clara; they wouldn't have had to do that if it was a "trick" death. As far as a linear progression goes, I think she's dead. But this is a time travel show, and she's scattered about, so a future appearance of some sort is possible.
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    I think the don't run comment reflected back on her origin... Run you clever man, and remember.

    Now was the time not to run...
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