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    Visit the Episode GuideDOCTOR WHO - SEASON 35 (9)
    THE ZYGON INVERSION
    EPISODE NUMBER - 3508 (908)
    With the shapeshifting Zygon rebels poised to force their own people to revert to their natural form all around the world, the Doctor must find a way to stop a war that appears inevitable. Meanwhile, Clara fights back against the Zygon leader who has taken her form.

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    Okay, I have to say - that was an absolutely cracking episode. Some issues, sure, but very satisfying on a lot of fronts.
    And now it's time for one last bow, like all your other selves. Eleven's hour is over now... the clock is striking Twelve's.

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    Pretty good episode, and another great speech from the Doctor!

    Cant believe we only have four episodes left though...

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    FIVE ROUNDS RAPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    OMFG YES!


    I am bouncing off the walls with geeky joy!


    "Five Rounds Rapid"




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    During the end scenes, I eneded up subsituting Zygons with ISIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyboy View Post
    FIVE ROUNDS RAPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    OMFG YES!


    I am bouncing off the walls with geeky joy!
    So was I! For some reason I thought you in particular would like that, not sure why...

    Great episode, I'm looking forward to rewatching it already. Though I do have wonder - will the Doctor ever actually get to experience a landing while aboard Boat One / the UNIT presidential transport?
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    Thoroughly loved this episode, totally lived up to part one. I want it spliced together as a movie!

    Also, anyone notice what was in the Black Archive behind The Doctor during his (awesome) speech?

    Also, given that I'm now watching The Festival of Remembrance, I'd like to add this was quite a poignant episode for the time of year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyboy View Post
    Thoroughly loved this episode, totally lived up to part one. I want it spliced together as a movie!

    Also, anyone notice what was in the Black Archive behind The Doctor during his (awesome) speech?

    Also, given that I'm now watching The Festival of Remembrance, I'd like to add this was quite a poignant episode for the time of year...
    Wasnt it one of the Mire helmets? I was wondering that too...

    Also, this five rounds rapid quote, when was this in the episode? I completely missed it, also whats the relevance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    Wasnt it one of the Mire helmets? I was wondering that too...

    Also, this five rounds rapid quote, when was this in the episode? I completely missed it, also whats the relevance?
    Kate says it when explaining how she escaped the Zygon, and it's particularly great and a tad poignant because "five rounds rapid" was more or less the catchphrase of her father (the one and only Brigadier Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealurk View Post
    Kate says it when explaining how she escaped the Zygon, and it's particularly great and a tad poignant because "five rounds rapid" was more or less the catchphrase of her father (the one and only Brigadier Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart).
    Ohhh, right!

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    I don't know if Battlefield ever had a specific battlefield in mind... whereas this story obviously has modern terrorism very much at its heart... Regardless, I've always felt that Sylvester's plea to Morgaine was one of his finest hours, and now Capaldi has absolutely shone in this, one of the most brilliantly written and acted pieces of television I've seen in... yonks.

    Ep2 was leaps and bounds ahead of Ep1, simply because it had so much more bite, more going on, more more more. And more Dark Clara... Good God... Yum!

    I was by no means a fan of what they did with the Ice Warrior revamp... (all good, til Mr Spindly appeared...) But the modern Zygons, both here and in Day, have been a fairly good re-invention, plus extension, of the original.

    It's a shame Osgood didn't even get 1 spin in the TARDIS... maybe one day.
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    I just watched both back to back and I'm not really that enamored with this story.. It just irks me.

    Jolly good they had those parachutes on the plane and the Doctors was 007's old leftover from one of his old adventures hehe. But how did they have enough time to put those on when the missile hit?

    I think personally the Doctor was wrong to grant 20 million of them asylum on Earth given their past history with him and UNIT. If anything he has a TARDIS why not relocate them on another world?

    Why Earth of all places?

    Part 1 was actually a hell of a lot better then this 2nd part..

    Clara and the Osgoods annoy me. I don't know why fans like her so much, I find Osgood a bad caricature.

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    This one was a slight improvement over last week's rubbish, but I still thought it was a load of steaming cow pats with sparkly lights on top.

    Capaldi's speech bored me and a double dose of Clara was nearly more than I could bear. And I am sick to death of the constant references to how wonderful Clara is. Every episode I'm just waiting and hoping for her to die.

    I found "Clara" shooting the plane out the sky very disquieting, particularly when coupled with the fact that the Doctor and Osgood didn't seem to care about what happened to the pilots or anyone else.

    I absolutely loathe episodes with heavy doses of allegory. That's the main reason I gave up on Star Trek. I don't mind if the inferences are subtle and easily ignored, or if the episode was written by Robert Holmes. But that ham fisted bun vendor Peter Harness is NOT Robert Holmes.

    The only redeeming part was the "five rounds rapid" reference.

    For anyone who doesn't get it, here's where it came from.

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    An absolutely fantastic episode to my mind, and probably one of the best this series. Pretty much everything that Flyboy said. At this point I'm really not looking forward to Clara's departure.
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    That ending was very ominous with the "one month" line.... Dum de dum, ominous music for Clara I think..

    Doctor's speech was good, and BAFTA material I think.

    Didn't the Doctor kill off a whole race in The Macra Terror? He had no qualms about that... Why so different with the Zygons?

    Oh and Zygella..

    I picture a cameo with Nigella Lawson playing Zygella. The Zygon cooking show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    That ending was very ominous with the "one month" line.... Dum de dum, ominous music for Clara I think..

    Doctor's speech was good, and BAFTA material I think.

    Didn't the Doctor kill off a whole race in The Macra Terror? He had no qualms about that... Why so different with the Zygons?

    Oh and Zygella..

    I picture a cameo with Nigella Lawson playing Zygella. The Zygon cooking show.
    He's killed off entire races a few times. But that's the point. More often than not the Doctor has to choose one race over another to save one, but he always hates that. The opportunity to make peace comes around really rarely for him, but he knows at the end of the day that an alien race isn't all bad (excepts for Daleks, Cybermen and the like). There are warmongers, sure, but there are a lot who want peace too.So when he gets that opportunity such as with the Zygons, or Silurians then he will take it. That why he designed the idea of the Osgood box. It's his way of insuring the peace is kept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    He's killed off entire races a few times. But that's the point. More often than not the Doctor has to choose one race over another to save one, but he always hates that. The opportunity to make peace comes around really rarely for him, but he knows at the end of the day that an alien race isn't all bad (excepts for Daleks, Cybermen and the like). There are warmongers, sure, but there are a lot who want peace too.So when he gets that opportunity such as with the Zygons, or Silurians then he will take it. That why he designed the idea of the Osgood box. It's his way of insuring the peace is kept.


    I guess, but what's to stop this happening again, and again, and again?

    The Doctor may not be around the next time.

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    I too was a little bothered by the total lack of concern for everybody else on the plane. I seem to remember at least one UNIT soldier and of course the crew (and a zygon). Plus, and I realise this is a fairly minor niggle since we're not really dealing with a grounded and realistic depiction of the military or their hardware... but wouldn't a military VIP transport used to carry the President of the World in times of extreme emergency have countermeasures? Like, I dunno, flares, chaff, decoys, radar and IR jammers and such. The VC-25 (the plane everybody calls Air Force One) almost certainly does, and that merely carries the President of the United States!

    "Don't look at my browser history." I imagine Eleven would have some choice words for Twelve on this subject.

    Osgood talking about how she would start to conquer the world, i.e. simply killing the Doctor without letting him talk. Many have wondered why the Doctor's adversaries don't simply kill him on the spot, and we still don't have an explanation why but it was fun seeing it addressed in universe.

    Bonnie destroying the laptop - why was my first thought "that was a totally unnecessary waste of a perfectly good computer, both in-universe and in reality"?

    "I'm old enough to be your messiah!"

    Oh... this could be my overactive mind seeing patterns where there aren't (hey, it's why the Eighth Doctor loves us) but this exchange raised an eyebrow on second viewing: "You're you." "I'm me." "But human or zygon?" "I'm me." Of course, we've already seen Ashildr in Clara's time, but it could be a nod.

    Capaldi's American accent was grating, but as hammy as it was I did like Twelve's big impassioned speech at the end. Nice callback to Day of the Doctor.

    I do wonder if this episode is basically the end of the zygons as a threat - from now on and barring individuals or small groups will they be more or less friendly aliens, like the Ood?

    Definitely enjoyed this episode far, far more than part one. It has its problems, yes, but overall I found it entertaining and not quite as nonsensical as the first part.
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    1. One of Clara's better eps this season...but her influence over Bonnie was slightly flukey.

    2. One hell of a performance from Capaldi...not exactly a pacifist myself but yeah...points very much noted Doctor.

    3. Last moment with the Osgoods was a bit cheesy.

    Solid ep, and in it's own way very powerful...but slightly anti-climatic after last week.

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    I liked parts of the 2nd episode. The big speech in the black archive was I think award worthy and I half expected someone to give him a BAFTA or Oscar after that speech LOL. It was great.

    Did you notice no music, no sound just Capaldi delivering those lines? It was terrific.

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