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    Visit the Episode GuideDOCTOR WHO - SEASON 35 (9)
    THE MAGICIAN'S APPRENTICE
    EPISODE NUMBER - 3501 (901)
    An incident in the skies over the Earth forces Clara to join Missy in a search for the Doctor, who has become convinced that he will not survive a final encounter with an enemy from his past.

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    Ummm, what? Lol

    Shame some bits were spoiled, but definately need to watch that again...

    Very good start to the season though and looking forward to the conclusion...

    If this is the first episode and its like this, I have high hopes for the season and the finale...

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    Good beginning... good end..

    The bit in the middle with the guitar and the tank..

    Still there were more aliens than we usually get, and locations outside Earth so that was good too

    But the guitar and the tank..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
    Good beginning... good end..

    The bit in the middle with the guitar and the tank..

    Still there were more aliens than we usually get, and locations outside Earth so that was good too

    But the guitar and the tank..
    Haha, I was thinking that... Slight bit cheesy.

    So, how are they going to get out of this do you think?
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    Well, they're not dead, it was too quick.

    He can't kill child Davros, because then the Daleks won't exist and it would undo everything that has ever happened..

    And old Davros probably won't die.. because he's Davros and he never really dies.. so.. Dalek teleport beams to somewhere else in the building? The Doctor uses what he thinks is a Dalek weapon on young Davros.. he teleports and The Doctor realising what happened tracks young Davros's location and finds Clara and Missy?

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    Well I'm still thinking that the Doctor and/or Clara still have dream crabs stuck to their faces.

    It's all a bit weird.

    Clara is teaching, the planes stop, UNIT calls and she takes the afternoon off to go & sort it all out... by herself???

    The Doctor is behaving very oddly as well, and then like you say, the guitar and the tank.

    And now the Doctor has no screwdriver, no TARDIS, everyone is dead and he is going to kill a child?

    I think there is something very odd about all of this. I need to watch it again.

    BTW Clara thinks that Jane Austen is a good kisser? Have they had a snog or something?

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    Hmm. I can't give an honest or complete opinion because I had to keep dashing to the kitchen to check on my stubbornly slow cooking enchiladas but the overall impression I had of the episode can be summed up in two words: uh, what?

    I think I'll need to watch it again on iPlayer before I can comment properly, though I doubt this will change my opinion much.
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    What was the point of stationing the UNIT snipers so close to Missy, that they were practically within pistol range?

    Surely the whole point of a sniper is that they shoot someone from far, far away?

    In fact, the current record for a confirmed kill by a sniper stands at 2707 yards, just over a mile and a half.

    Long before you and I were born, others beat these benches with their empty cups,
    To the night and its stars, to the here and now with who we are.

    Another sunrise with my sad captains, with who I choose to lose my mind,
    And if it's all we only pass this way but once, what a perfect waste of time.

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    "You so fine" Missy - absolutely f***ing awesome.
    Guitar & tank - f***ing cool.
    Child Davros & old Davros - f***ing super cool.

    Super excited for the show to be back!

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    How Jenna Coleman managed to keep a straight face while Michelle Gomez is acting crazy, I have no idea...

    Long before you and I were born, others beat these benches with their empty cups,
    To the night and its stars, to the here and now with who we are.

    Another sunrise with my sad captains, with who I choose to lose my mind,
    And if it's all we only pass this way but once, what a perfect waste of time.

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    I must say I just love Michelle Gomez. My favourite Master is still Roger Delgado, but she is a very close second.

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    Weird, in a good way.
    I think the snipers were out of site, still 8 after the 2 were vaporised, likely snipers plus other personel.
    Have no idea how this story will go.
    Can't kill Davros, can't save him.
    Tank and guitar were cool!

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    Dark Lord of Skaro and a whole lot of sinister snakes... when did this crossover with Harry Potter?

    "You're the puppy"

    Missy, you are indeed so fine. Best thing about this episode ("Oh wait, Davros is your arch-enemy now? I'll scratch his eye out").

    Oh I am really tired of the egomaniac needy game player bossy control freak. New companion (who isn't full of herself) please!

    At what point did Clara's hands become untied?

    Hmm, better second time around but still a tad underwhelmed, though at least I have some interest in next week's episode now.
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    Interesting that the 'Prologue' seems to have taken place during the episode -- ie: between the young Davros bit and the rest of the episode. Still haven't seen "The Doctor's Meditation" so I'll have to see how that works.

    This if the first time I've not loathed Missy. I am as surprised as I am impressed. Every time she was on screen last year I was hoping she'd die or regenerate--either way, for Michelle Gomez to never return. But after this one, I am sufficiently impressed that I hope she sticks around. For me, that's an incredible 180.

    Clara seemed...older. Not physically, just in the way she carried herself and responded to things. No doubt this comes from time with Doctor (particularly last year), but I thought it was a nice touch.

    Unless I missed it, there was no explanation of how Davros escaped the Medusa Cascade?

    Lovely to see/hear all the clips of the previous Doctors. Excellent touch. I kept hoping for an audio clip from a Big Finish story, but don't think there was one. Oh well.

    I wonder how much the conclusion influences Davros's aggression growing up.
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    Ok... so that was a surprisingly awesome episode of Doctor Who. Those who know me will recall I was getting disillusioned with televised Who and finding more and more that I preferred to get my Who-Fix from the Big Finish Productions audio dramas (which are amazing)... I felt that Series 8 of Doctor Who just wasn't up to scratch for the most part... but the premier of Series 9 was spectacular. In almost every way. An excellent return to form with some wonderful hark backs to the classic series that made me positively fanboy with delight.


    LOVED THE TANK!


    Also... may have gotten too excited about Clara and Jane... (not THAT excited, mind...)


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    I bet Michelle Gomez would be a total hoot at conventions.

    Long before you and I were born, others beat these benches with their empty cups,
    To the night and its stars, to the here and now with who we are.

    Another sunrise with my sad captains, with who I choose to lose my mind,
    And if it's all we only pass this way but once, what a perfect waste of time.

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    Loved it. Best episode since Listen and The Day of the Doctor before it.
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    I so enjoyed this episode! As much as I hated Missy before, I did love her in this.

    From what I understood, The Doctor was acting the way he was because he was resigned to being killed by Davros, or did he send the will expecting to get help? He didn't really look that surprised to see Missy and Clara....

    I too don't think that he will kill the child Davros, can't see them erasing the Daleks from history.

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    I'll admit to a tear during the opening... I recognised the battlefield, especially with the bow-and-arrow reference... and as soon as I saw the boy, I just knew it had to be Davros... and that Moffat was going to take us down that line by Tom so many years ago. I said it to my son - as in, would you kill Davros when he was a boy... My wife's reaction - Don't you mean Hitler? Same thing, of course... And such a common question...

    Funnily enough, despite knowing who he is... It's as big a dilemma as it always has been. How do you look an innocent-looking child in the eyes and kill them, even knowing what they will become...

    And then, the episode ends the only way I guess it could - with the Doctor about to do just that...

    Clara Clara Clara...
    Spoiler:
    Frankly, knowing she's leaving, I wish this was how they did it - season opener, vaporised by the Daleks... Full circle for her character, really. And then in fact my son pointed out - she can't be dead, cos the trailer showed her in other stories... Oh well.


    After becoming rather vested in Bors via the 6min Meditation, learning he's a Dalek spy was rather upsetting...

    What did I think of the tank/guitar? A while ago, I'd have been pissed, cos it's ultimately unlike the Doctor to so blatantly cause an anachronism... I guess Moffat's style has dulled my care factor. I ultimately enjoyed it, especially knowing Capaldi's history.

    Oh, and... apparently I made a very loud exclamation of joy upon seeing the classic era Dalek - not just doing a cameo but talking and properly moving around! And, I think the only thing that could have made the discovery of Skaro better would be if they'd been standing up on that ledge above the Dalek city that the Doctor, Susan, Barbara and Ian once stood on...
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    I am very confused. I'm sure the daleks have been wiped out, trapped and the universe rebooted many times in the new series. How did they get back? Didn't the daleks forget about the Doctor at some point? Is Rusty still alive?
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