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[Chaka-Z0]

Brazil’s Bolsonaro, Without Proof, Accuses NGOs Of Setting Amazon Rainforest On Fire

“This is a sick statement, a pitiful statement,” said Marcio Astrini, Greenpeace Brazil’s public policy coordinator.“Increased deforestation and burning are the result of his anti-environmental policy.”

Bolsonaro, a longtime skeptic of environmental concerns, wants to open the Amazon to more agriculture and mining, and has told other countries worried about rising deforestation since he took office to mind their own business.

Congressman Nilto Tatto, leader of the lower house environment caucus, said Bolsonaro’s “stunning” attack on NGOs was a smoke screen to hide his dismantling of 30 years of Brazilian environmental protections

[aretood2]

From your paragraph on the technicalities, you seem to be aware that while our justice system is not perfect, it is better than most.

And that's because of the technicalities that got OJ off. That was my point. The flaws however, have the side effect of giving the US the highest incarceration rate in the western world (and pretty close to first if not first in the world at large). Take away those technicalities and all bets are off.

Yes, it is harder on the poor. But what isn't? Money can buy the way out of almost every problem that arises, not just legal problems.

So we shouldn't strive for a more perfect union?

Regarding the punishments for using weed, wouldn't that be a legislative issue? Is pot legal or illegal, and what are the penalties? These are all issues for the lawmakers, not the criminal justice system.

I don't see how the two are separate...let alone independent.

Also, perhaps the usage is different? In urban areas, people get high, and then go hang out in public, on streetcorners, etc. where the contact with the police is initially regarding some other behavior issue, and the weed is found on them as well, while the suburban user gets high and goes and parks himself on the couch or some other place in his home, not bothering anyone else.

Drug use in suburban and rich neighborhoods ranges from as high as urban use if not higher. I have yet to have one class where there isn't someone who is obviously a stoner. But it's a well off community so no one does anything about it, it gets swept under the rug and teh district does everything it can to avoid referring any students to law enforcement no matter how unsafe it makes the school. And people wonder why these types of communities are the ones that end up in the middle of school shootings. You want to end school shootings, police suburbia with the same level of intensity as urban areas. Stop blaming mental illness or video games. Inner city schools have as many students who are mentally ill and/or play violent video games but they rarely get shot up.

As far as Sanders committing political suicide, he is playing to the far left and very young, just like most of the socialists in the Dem party as of late. But his idea that a 16 year old who commits murder or something else shouldn't be held responsible isn't gonna fly with the older and more stable portion of the population, which is far larger, even among Democrats.

If your entire post was simply about Sanders' crazy ideas, sure. But he mentions some solid things like ending mandatory minimum sentences and bail reform.

[Annoyed]

Drug use in suburban and rich neighborhoods ranges from as high as urban use if not higher. I have yet to have one class where there isn't someone who is obviously a stoner. But it's a well off community so no one does anything about it, it gets swept under the rug and teh district does everything it can to avoid referring any students to law enforcement no matter how unsafe it makes the school. And people wonder why these types of communities are the ones that end up in the middle of school shootings. You want to end school shootings, police suburbia with the same level of intensity as urban areas. Stop blaming mental illness or video games. Inner city schools have as many students who are mentally ill and/or play violent video games but they rarely get shot up.

And you completely ignore the behavior aspect. I have no doubt that usage rates for weed in the 'burbs is as high as that in the urban areas.

But the behavior is different. As I said, the suburban user gets his buzz on, goes to the couch or whereever and doesn't bother anyone. Whereas the urban user, maybe not having his own place to hang out in, gets buzzed and then goes out and hangs out in a public place, perhaps causing trouble, which often happens when young people gather, what with testosterone fueling examples of bravado and such.

How many of the urban busts are made simply coincidental to behavior related arrests?

[Chaka-Z0]

Drug use in suburban and rich neighborhoods ranges from as high as urban use if not higher.

I'm assuming drug means weed, since it was the topic discussed. So to summarize this quote, there's no correlation. Why mention it at all? (or rather this question should perhaps be directed at Annoyed)

I have yet to have one class where there isn't someone who is obviously a stoner.

Excuse my bluntness but no sh*t Tood, you're teaching high school, the sky is also blue and water flows downhill in normal circumstances.

I'd like to know what clues tips you off as to profiling someone a stoner though.

But it's a well off community so no one does anything about it, it gets swept under the rug and teh district does everything it can to avoid referring any students to law enforcement no matter how unsafe it makes the school.

Underlined: That's what should be done for everybody, for minor offense such as smoking weed or having a beer.

Bold: Weed making your school unsafe, how?

And people wonder why these types of communities are the ones that end up in the middle of school shootings.You want to end school shootings, police suburbia with the same level of intensity as urban areas.

And your solution is to up the bar so everybody gets subjected to the same exaggerated repression, that's not a solution and that's also not targeting the root of the problem.

You can't prevent a teenager of having emotional outbursts, it's nature, the body chemistry changes and everybody is subject to this to a different degree, some more than others due to bullying and harassment.

What you can limit is the damage done, both with prevention and actually talking on the same level with the kids, and obviously removing easy access to weapons of war.

And you completely ignore the behavior aspect. I have no doubt that usage rates for weed in the 'burbs is as high as that in the urban areas.

But the behavior is different.

I find your posterior is overly talkative on that particular subject. I'd recommend life experiences then trying again.

[Chaka-Z0]

Sorry I was a little salty when I wrote this but can we stop with the totally made-up stats? Like behavioral studies of the urban stoner in its natural habitat?

[Chaka-Z0]

But the behavior is different. As I said, the suburban user gets his buzz on, goes to the couch or whereever and doesn't bother anyone. Whereas the urban user, maybe not having his own place to hang out in, gets buzzed and then goes out and hangs out in a public place, perhaps causing trouble, which often happens when young people gather, what with testosterone fueling examples of bravado and such.

How many of the urban busts are made simply coincidental to behavior related arrests?

How many of the suburb busts are made simply coincidental to DUI arrests? They got wheelers, motocross, skidoo @ boats and whatnot, and got to drive a car to get anywhere to have fun. Happens I grew up in such an area and that one road with 70km/h limit claims a dozen souls each year, all DUI incidents, most bc of alcohol.

Urban is different because of the organized crime, the suburbs are used as growhouses or stash. The business is in the city obviously so there's more busts there. The nightclubs, etc. It's just common sense

[aretood2]

And you completely ignore the behavior aspect. I have no doubt that usage rates for weed in the 'burbs is as high as that in the urban areas.

But the behavior is different. As I said, the suburban user gets his buzz on, goes to the couch or whereever and doesn't bother anyone. Whereas the urban user, maybe not having his own place to hang out in, gets buzzed and then goes out and hangs out in a public place, perhaps causing trouble, which often happens when young people gather, what with testosterone fueling examples of bravado and such.


How many of the urban busts are made simply coincidental to behavior related arrests?

There is no difference in behaviors. Gangsters don't go around high, it's bad for business and stupid. If a gangbanger is dumb enough to get high in public like that, and common people being high on the street isn't as common as you seem to think here.

I'm assuming drug means weed, since it was the topic discussed. So to summarize this quote, there's no correlation. Why mention it at all? (or rather this question should perhaps be directed at Annoyed)

It was directed at annoyed?

Excuse my bluntness but no sh*t Tood, you're teaching high school, the sky is also blue and water flows downhill in normal circumstances.

Sexual harassment happens too, but that shouldn't be a given. Teenagers aren't as wild as some people think they are as a whole. Most try to do what they need to do, and have some fun along the way. The majority don't get high on a regular basis, most simply try a drug once or so and just don't care for it all that much. I don't think people give kids as much credit as they deserve. The ones who are always getting high, the ones who seek that out as often as the tube says they do, they aren't the average. The percentage is high and it's not okay, because that type of behavior doesn't exist in a vacuum and is accompanied by a host of other things.

Underlined: That's what should be done for everybody, for minor offense such as smoking weed or having a beer.

Bold: Weed making your school unsafe, how?

And your solution is to up the bar so everybody gets subjected to the same exaggerated repression, that's not a solution and that's also not targeting the root of the problem.

No, not weed. But the causes of drug use usually cause other things. I was speaking more broadly.

You don't really know how things are here. Urban schools do pay attention to these things and police students well enough for this particular issue. Suburban and rural schools fail at it and you only need to pay attention to where these shootings happen to find out there are issues. Guess where the shootings mostly take place? I'll give you a hint, it's not the inner city kids.

It's not the kids with mental health issues, it's not the violent video games either. Otherwise urban schools would have as many school shootings. Plane and simple.

You can't prevent a teenager of having emotional outbursts, it's nature, the body chemistry changes and everybody is subject to this to a different degree, some more than others due to bullying and harassment.

What you can limit is the damage done, both with prevention and actually talking on the same level with the kids, and obviously removing easy access to weapons of war.

Really? I didn't know that. My mind is blown. I'll have to rethink my entire outlook on life now.

I'm not sure where you're coming from here. But who are you to talk down to me on this? Drawing from a throw away statement on another issue to then claim that I don't know anything? No. I know my craft, thank you very much.

[Chaka-Z0]

Really? I didn't know that. My mind is blown. I'll have to rethink my entire outlook on life now.

I'm not sure where you're coming from here. But who are you to talk down to me on this? Drawing from a throw away statement on another issue to then claim that I don't know anything? No. I know my craft, thank you very much.

police suburbia with the same level of intensity as urban areas.

Did you smoke one and forgot that quote up there? I literally kept only 2 sentences so you could see it. Your craft? Your ego needs to be toned down buddy unless you convince me you're an expert in psychology, criminology and law altogether.

Your solution is more law enforcement. I say more repression isn't going to fix the problem if guns are readily available.

Besides this is impossible to apply in reality, there's way too much ground to cover to have the same intensity.

[aretood2]

Did you smoke one and forgot that quote up there? I literally kept only 2 sentences so you could see it. Your craft? Your ego needs to be toned down buddy unless you convince me you're an expert in psychology, criminology and law altogether.

Your solution is more law enforcement. I say more repression isn't going to fix the problem if guns are readily available.

Besides this is impossible to apply in reality, there's way too much ground to cover to have the same intensity.

It's hyperbole.

[Chaka-Z0]

It's hyperbole.

I heard smoking hyperboles can kill

[Annoyed]

Musk wants to nuke Mars, now Trump wants to nuke hurricanes.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ting-us-report

Monkey see, Monkey do?

[Gatefan1976]

Musk wants to nuke Mars, now Trump wants to nuke hurricanes.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ting-us-report

Monkey see, Monkey do?

Didn't read, just posting?

[Annoyed]

Didn't read, just posting?

There was a discussion in the tracking future thread about Musk wanting to terraform Mars by dropping nukes on the poles. I think SGalisia started it, but Chaka-Z seemed to be strongly in favor of it. Sane people like myself, on the other hand aren't so fond of the idea.

[Chaka-Z0]

[Annoyed]

Damn, these lizards are a violent species. Maybe we should just nuke them instead.

On the other hand, they might make interesting variations on the alien xenomorph species, maybe get a few more decent movies out of the franchise.

Just imagine that battering ram set of jaws combined with the flicking tongues of lizards.