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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    *Drops the comb on Wall St.*
    Wall street is not the real issue though.
    Gambling on the stock exchange is fine, but it is no longer a gamble, it's a poker machine that keeps paying out for anyone who can use it.
    The problem is businesses have forgotten who makes their companies work. It's not the shareholders, it's the people that work there. The workers get crumbs and the shareholders, who do absolutely NOTHING gain the reward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Wall street is not the real issue though.
    Gambling on the stock exchange is fine, but it is no longer a gamble, it's a poker machine that keeps paying out for anyone who can use it.
    The problem is businesses have forgotten who makes their companies work. It's not the shareholders, it's the people that work there. The workers get crumbs and the shareholders, who do absolutely NOTHING gain the reward.
    Until the market crashes again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Until the market crashes again.
    You want to go down that road?
    It' YOUR CURRENT administration that wants to go there, after you got dug out of the hole you left last time.
    Obama (let's face it, 'Murrica didn't like a ****** fixing their ****) you are now sad. Go work at a poorhouse.
    You won't get paid, but you may learn something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Personhood under the Alabama ruling does. It grants them all rights, privilages and protections of a living person to a foetus (yet, as you note, not a -person- as they have already been claimed by their nation of birth.)
    No sleight of hand at all here Womble, it's just how the systems would interact.
    Again, tourists are living breathing homo sapiens. They have protection of the law and cannot be killed or robbed willy nilly. Yet they are not citizens and do not become citizens upon crossing the border. Neither does a foetus recognized as a person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Womble View Post
    Again, tourists are living breathing homo sapiens. They have protection of the law and cannot be killed or robbed willy nilly. Yet they are not citizens and do not become citizens upon crossing the border. Neither does a foetus recognized as a person.
    Under the Alabama law, it does.
    Read that mess dude, and then realise that Roe V Wade will be REPLACED by such stupid ****. You cannot wave away Roe, you need to replace it as it is a requirement of law. This is not "repeal" is replace, no option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Under the Alabama law, it does.
    Read that mess dude, and then realise that Roe V Wade will be REPLACED by such stupid ****. You cannot wave away Roe, you need to replace it as it is a requirement of law. This is not "repeal" is replace, no option.
    There is no requirement to "replace it". Not allowing the murder of unborn children is perfectly acceptable, in fact desirable.

    Thats just too bad if people can't ignore the consequences of their choice to take their pants off.
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    Why not? You ignore the consequences of your actions all the time if you dont have to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    I am not against restrictions and regulations, I def. wouldn't be okay with that.

    The ban or the belief forced onto women that don't even get the option is just plain wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    If you want to know me personally I believe in the brain pattern theory, which would be where I draw the line.
    And that's the nuance that is missing in abortion discussions. Too often absolute language is used and that's what gets debated which goes nowhere for what I hope are obvious reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    jelgate gets no bacon. I am not being hypocritical in the slightest.

    How often have I advocated responsibility when it comes to procreation? That's all I have ever pushed. If you can't afford to have and care for children, don't get pregnant. How hard is that to understand?

    And we know exactly what causes pregnancy, don't we? There are also contraceptives available for purchase by those who wish to use them. But even so, there is still a risk of pregnancy.

    What method is 100% effective every time it's used?

    That's the thing. Everything you said here has little to do with being Pro-Life or caring for the life of the unborn, or the born. Basically your brand of teaching "responsibility" involves standing by idle as kids starve to death and wallow in misery because of someone else's actions. So great, they wont die in the womb, they'll die slowly and live a miserable life....hypocrisy usually hides an ulterior motive and your ulterior motive has little to do with "personal responsibility" or respecting life and everything to do with your pocket book.

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    Get Tood some bacon GF
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    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post

    That's the thing. Everything you said here has little to do with being Pro-Life or caring for the life of the unborn, or the born. Basically your brand of teaching "responsibility" involves standing by idle as kids starve to death and wallow in misery because of someone else's actions. So great, they wont die in the womb, they'll die slowly and live a miserable life....hypocrisy usually hides an ulterior motive and your ulterior motive has little to do with "personal responsibility" or respecting life and everything to do with your pocket book.
    Why is it that the concept of behaving responsibly is completely outside your universe? If you can't afford to have and raise kids, don't engage in the activity that creates them. It's really that simple. That way, you don't have to kill them, they won't " starve to death and wallow in misery" or anything else.

    And yes, my pocketbook has its interest too. Why should I have to pay for someone else's screw up?
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    And just to illustrate the intelligence of the Hollywood activist types...

    "Nobody wants to get an abortion," says Alyssa Milano. "We are all pro-life. But there are circumstances that we cannot avoid. ... Just because there are women that don't believe in abortion, don't take away someone else's right." https://t.co/NNuJJQKprb pic.twitter.com/96sdQvhCvT
    Can't avoid? C'mon, Alyssa.. Just keep your pants on and you will avoid those circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aretood2 View Post
    And that's the nuance that is missing in abortion discussions. Too often absolute language is used and that's what gets debated which goes nowhere for what I hope are obvious reasons.
    I ask, where else can this debate go? With a pro-life position there is no alternatives, no compromises, no nuances. I'm not going to be wasting my time with nuances, those people and their radical and extremist policies taking the very choice away must be stopped, we'll talk nuance once the basic human rights have been restored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    I ask, where else can this debate go? With a pro-life position there is no alternatives, no compromises, no nuances. I'm not going to be wasting my time with nuances, those people and their radical and extremist policies taking the very choice away must be stopped, we'll talk nuance once the basic human rights have been restored.
    basic human rights for the people that don't know how to behave responsibly but none for the babies their irresponsible behavior creates....gotcha

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    I've worked it out.
    Annoyed and MG are virgins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    I ask, where else can this debate go? With a pro-life position there is no alternatives, no compromises, no nuances. I'm not going to be wasting my time with nuances, those people and their radical and extremist policies taking the very choice away must be stopped, we'll talk nuance once the basic human rights have been restored.
    How about guaranteeing the most basic right of all, the right to live? The pro-choice crowd wants to take that away from people that are conceived in inconvenient circumstances. You want to restore those rights?

    This is a very black and white issue; do you support murder of the unborn (and as of late even the born in some states) or do you not? There isn't any middle ground there.
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    No dude it makes sense! If you don't drive you can't get into an accident, just keep (keys) it in your pants.

    This logic is even worse than S08 of GoT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    How about guaranteeing the most basic right of all, the right to live? The pro-choice crowd wants to take that away from people that are conceived in inconvenient circumstances. You want to restore those rights?

    This is a very black and white issue; do you support murder of the unborn (and as of late even the born in some states) or do you not? There isn't any middle ground there.
    Lol. You deny those rights to people who are actually people, migrants, and you go on your high horses about abortion? That's quite the **** heap there Annoyed.

    Do kids have the same rights than adults? Nope. Are they recognized as full members and citizens of society before they reach a given age by law? Nope.

    Stop making up rights for people that aren't people yet.
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    I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to—I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    Lol. You deny those rights to people who are actually people, migrants, and you go on your high horses about abortion? That's quite the **** heap there Annoyed.

    Do kids have the same rights than adults? Nope. Are they recognized as full members and citizens of society before they reach a given age by law? Nope.

    Stop making up rights for people that aren't people yet.
    Did I ever even once say that immigrants, legal or not don't have the right to live? No.
    Illegals have every bit as much right to live as anyone else.

    In their native countries, or whichever nation wants to take them in. Mexico seems to have no problem letting them come into Mexico via their southern border. Let them live in Mexico.

    It's not even the same situation as abortion, don't try to make it sound like it is.

    And as far as being under the age of consent, 18 or 21, depending upon what you're talking about, I don't ever recall it being open season on minors. Except the unborn, that is.
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    The distinction I'm trying to make is that the law clearly defines rights by age, minors having a limited set of rights vs an adult.

    Please read me the rights of a fetus. Good luck finding them, because they are not even a person. If a fetus is a person then wanking off is murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    How about guaranteeing the most basic right of all, the right to live? The pro-choice crowd wants to take that away from people that are conceived in inconvenient circumstances. You want to restore those rights?

    This is a very black and white issue; do you support murder of the unborn (and as of late even the born in some states) or do you not? There isn't any middle ground there.
    With all this BS I can have my Memorial Day fertilizer sale
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