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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    As I said, the law is intended to be tested by the courts, all the way up to the SCOTUS.

    They will determine its constitutionality, no one else.

    But more importantly, it will re-open the whole Roe v. Wade judgement.
    It has been, all this is, is an attempt to re-litigate settled law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    It has been, all this is, is an attempt to re-litigate settled law.
    Absolutely. An attempt to religitate BAD settled law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Absolutely. An attempt to religitate BAD settled law.
    That is what matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    That is what matters.
    No, what matters is that SCOTUS has the absolute right to reverse itself.
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    No, what matters is that SCOTUS has the absolute right to reverse itself.
    If it can find a compelling reason to replace existing law, then yes it can.
    What is your compelling reason, and what is your replacement?
    I'd really like to know your reasoning here, because your reasoning would be used as a basis for other legal cases, something the SCOTUS knows.
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    That's the good and the bad of law, it takes quite a compelling justification to change established law. If it's such a good reason, why is it only Alabama and not the other states?

    Maybe bc it's a fkd up State?
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    Let's try this another way.
    The constitution, not "law" by common definition grants US citizenship to any child born in the US (so requiring a senatorial 2/3rds majority to overturn).
    By overturning Roe V Wade with a decision based on the Alabama ruling on the "heartbeat rule", which grants ALL rights of personhood, all an illegal has to do is get to the US while pregnant to have their "child" to be declared a US citizen. You can't deport the "mother", because by doing so you would violate the rights of the "citizen" without due process. Then, The "mother" can appoint a lawyer to fight for the US "citizen" as a minor to prevent her removal under various family laws, or she can leave post birth leaving the taxpayer to pick up the tab for her kid.

    Yeah, well thought out idea...………..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka-Z0 View Post
    That's the good and the bad of law, it takes quite a compelling justification to change established law. If it's such a good reason, why is it only Alabama and not the other states?

    Maybe bc it's a fkd up State?
    Several are trying this, last count around 22, but this one is just the worst of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    If it can find a compelling reason to replace existing law, then yes it can.
    What is your compelling reason, and what is your replacement?
    I'd really like to know your reasoning here, because your reasoning would be used as a basis for other legal cases, something the SCOTUS knows.
    The compelling reason as far as I'm concerned is that abortion is murder, which should never have been made legal in the first place. Heck, some states even allow partial/live birth abortions, where the mother can choose to terminate the child's life AFTER it is born. There is no possible argument that you can make that that isn't murder.

    And "my replacement" is responsible behavior.

    Granted, that for victims of Rape, the situation sucks large, fat, moss-covered rocks, and maybe there ought to be some consideration for that; govt provided pre-natal care & delivery, and the unfortunate victim can give the child up for adoption after it's born

    But as for willing participants, both parties in the creation of the child should be responsible for the consequences of their choice to take their pants off. That is where "choice" comes into the picture.
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    The murder has yet to be proven prior to brain formation, obv killing babies once they are fully grown is wrong. The gray area Jelgate mentioned might be having some regulations and a treshold. Banning it entirely is just an extreme position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    The compelling reason as far as I'm concerned is that abortion is murder, which should never have been made legal in the first place. Heck, some states even allow partial/live birth abortions, where the mother can choose to terminate the child's life AFTER it is born. There is no possible argument that you can make that that isn't murder.

    And "my replacement" is responsible behavior.

    Granted, that for victims of Rape, the situation sucks large, fat, moss-covered rocks, and maybe there ought to be some consideration for that; govt provided pre-natal care & delivery, and the unfortunate victim can give the child up for adoption after it's born

    But as for willing participants, both parties in the creation of the child should be responsible for the consequences of their choice to take their pants off. That is where "choice" comes into the picture.
    This is not a legal argument, nor a replacement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Let's try this another way.
    The constitution, not "law" by common definition grants US citizenship to any child born in the US (so requiring a senatorial 2/3rds majority to overturn).
    By overturning Roe V Wade with a decision based on the Alabama ruling on the "heartbeat rule", which grants ALL rights of personhood, all an illegal has to do is get to the US while pregnant to have their "child" to be declared a US citizen. You can't deport the "mother", because by doing so you would violate the rights of the "citizen" without due process. Then, The "mother" can appoint a lawyer to fight for the US "citizen" as a minor to prevent her removal under various family laws, or she can leave post birth leaving the taxpayer to pick up the tab for her kid.

    Yeah, well thought out idea...………..
    Sleight of hand detected. Personhood doesn't equal citizenship. A tourist in New York is not a citizen but they still enjoy legal protections (and are subject to legal duties) on the basis of being persons under US law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Womble View Post
    Sleight of hand detected. Personhood doesn't equal citizenship. A tourist in New York is not a citizen but they still enjoy legal protections (and are subject to legal duties) on the basis of being persons under US law.
    Personhood under the Alabama ruling does. It grants them all rights, privilages and protections of a living person to a foetus (yet, as you note, not a -person- as they have already been claimed by their nation of birth.)
    No sleight of hand at all here Womble, it's just how the systems would interact.
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    Speaking of socialists...
    Can one of you liberals hand Bernie a copy of the Constitution? This idiot has obviously never read it.

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    Oh, and by the way, almost 200 years ago, slave owners could make the same argument.
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    Neither have you or Trump given how you pick and choose what parts to ignore.

    Can I get hypocrisy bacon with eggs GF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Neither have you or Trump given how you pick and choose what parts to ignore.

    Can I get hypocrisy bacon with eggs GF?
    Sigh, sure.
    I need to take out stocks in a pig farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Speaking of socialists...
    Can one of you liberals hand Bernie a copy of the Constitution? This idiot has obviously never read it.
    More than you dude.
    Again, why does twitter matter to you now?

    Oh, and by the way, almost 200 years ago, slave owners could make the same argument.
    Err, they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Sigh, sure.
    I need to take out stocks in a pig farm.
    Or buy a whole pig farm. Probably steal a pig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Or buy a whole pig farm. Probably steal a pig.
    *steals pookey*
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