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    k so can anyone actually explain once & for all how the f kneeling is a form of protest?

    cause from my point of view it makes absolutely zero sense
    c'mon I can't be the only one who thinks that

    kneeling is a sign of deference (you know, the opposite of defiance). I reckon all will agree unless social customs recently underwent a pole flip without my knowing

    so if I intended to show anger or disapproval toward the president & his government then bending the knee is the very last thing I'd consider*
    on the contrary I'd stand but with arms crossed (a decent enough symbol of protest) or maybe I'd even give the finger but certainly not bend the knee










    *now if the president were a cute silver-haired woman with a big intimidating dragon at her side I might make an exception**
    ** some of you will get the reference

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Are they not free to protest on their own?
    You'd probably complain about that too.
    When have you seen me suggest that a legal, peaceful protest or expression of opinion be suppressed?
    My only point in this discussion is that they don't have the right to protest while on the clock, using their employer's stage and wearing the uniform of their employer unless the employer allows it. If the NFL owners decide to allow it, I have no objection. Just as I have no objection if they choose to protest on their own time and dime.
    I may think one viewpoint or another is stupid, worthy of ridicule, or worth no attention at all, but you will never see me oppose peaceful, legal expression of ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    k so can anyone actually explain once & for all how the f kneeling is a form of protest?

    cause from my point of view it makes absolutely zero sense
    c'mon I can't be the only one who thinks that

    kneeling is a sign of deference (you know, the opposite of defiance). I reckon all will agree unless social customs recently underwent a pole flip without my knowing

    so if I intended to show anger or disapproval toward the president & his government then bending the knee is the very last thing I'd consider*
    on the contrary I'd stand but with arms crossed (a decent enough symbol of protest) or maybe I'd even give the finger but certainly not bend the knee










    *now if the president were a cute silver-haired woman with a big intimidating dragon at her side I might make an exception**
    ** some of you will get the reference
    Standing during the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance is a longstanding tradition in this country. I can see refusing to do so as a legitimate expression of disapproval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Standing during the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance is a longstanding tradition in this country. I can see refusing to do so as a legitimate expression of disapproval.
    we stand while doing a lot of things. the goalkeeper stands while waiting for the ball. I stand while washing my hands. etc.

    if you can't stand standing there's better ways to show it. like sit cross-legged (yoga pose)
    I maintain my stance on kneeling as a form of protest it just doesn't sit well with me :|


    do you think this is also an act of defiance :
    http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lo...21/A121953.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    we stand while doing a lot of things. the goalkeeper stands while waiting for the ball. I stand while washing my hands. etc.

    if you can't stand standing there's better ways to show it. like sit cross-legged (yoga pose)
    I maintain my stance on kneeling as a form of protest it just doesn't sit well with me :|


    do you think this is also an act of defiance :
    http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lo...21/A121953.jpg
    ?
    You're not getting it. It is the refusal to stand that is making the statement. It doesn't matter if they are kneeling, sitting or playing twister.

    However, kneeling has some significance in the game of football; I *think* upon kickoff, the receiving team's catcher can signal that he will just catch the ball, not attempt to go upfield with it by kneeling. Or something like that; I'm not that big a football fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    You're not getting it. It is the refusal to stand that is making the statement. It doesn't matter if they are kneeling, sitting or playing twister.
    then sitting or playing twister would still be more sensible

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    *kneels*

    I do these things just to annoy Annoyed
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    kneel before me & hail me as your King - if you dare (this will annoy me greatly)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    kneel before me & hail me as your King - if you dare (this will annoy me greatly)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Womble View Post
    I'll reply later but:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    k so can anyone actually explain once & for all how the f kneeling is a form of protest?
    Expected social response.
    not that hard really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    k so can anyone actually explain once & for all how the f kneeling is a form of protest?
    Your wish is my command! (And I'll probably come to regret saying that to you in 3-2-1...)

    Here's a an article in a campus paper (so Annoyed and Garhkal won't read it) that explains it in a fairly good way:

    The Narrative of Kneeling as a Form of Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    kneeling is a sign of deference (you know, the opposite of defiance). I reckon all will agree unless social customs recently underwent a pole flip without my knowing
    An article in Scientific American: The Psychology of Taking a Knee

    At first glance, research into emotion and nonverbal communication suggests that there is nothing threatening about kneeling. Instead, kneeling is almost always deployed as a sign of deference and respect. We once kneeled before kings and queens and altars; we kneel to ask someone to marry, or at least men did in the old days. We kneel to get down to a child's level; we kneel to beg.

    [...] Kneeling can also be a posture of mourning and sadness. It makes the one who kneels more vulnerable. In some situations, kneeling can be seen as a request for protection—which is completely appropriate in Kaepernick’s case, given the motive of his protest.
    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    *now if the president were a cute silver-haired woman with a big intimidating dragon at her side I might make an exception**
    ** some of you will get the reference
    I'd be flat on the ground, long before she commanded it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post
    Standing during the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance is a longstanding tradition in this country. I can see refusing to do so as a legitimate expression of disapproval.
    Not really... you might want to look into that. First mention of anyone standing at all was allegedly a ceremony at Westpoint in 1891. I wouldn't exactly call that longstanding, especially since that was an isolated case at the time.
    And as far as standing for it in the NFL, that only goes back to 2009.

    When did we begin standing for the National Anthem?

    Interesting tidbit:

    The Star-Spangled banner was not designated by the president as the national anthem until 1916, and not by Congress until 1931. The anthem was long favored by the military though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    I apologize for assuming so.

    I interpreted it wrong, I'm sorry.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
    Expected social response.
    not that hard really.
    but the LSOS & his minions claim it's a form of disrespect

    I'd stand & turn my back on them to tell them to "kiss my" that'd get a response all right

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    kneeling to show strength in humility? I say it just shows humility & the 2nd article basically agrees with that but then again maybe "american culture" lol

    I'd be flat on the ground, long before she commanded it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    Your wish is my command! (And I'll probably come to regret saying that to you in 3-2-1...)

    Here's a an article in a campus paper (so Annoyed and Garhkal won't read it) that explains it in a fairly good way:

    The Narrative of Kneeling as a Form of Protest
    Who said I wouldn't read it? I found it hilarious. "Her Campus"?? How much respect would you have for a paper that called itself "His Campus" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    but the LSOS & his minions claim it's a form of disrespect

    I'd stand & turn my back on them to tell them to "kiss my" that'd get a response all right
    sure you would turn your back??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    k so can anyone actually explain once & for all how the f kneeling is a form of protest?

    cause from my point of view it makes absolutely zero sense
    c'mon I can't be the only one who thinks that
    As a form of protest? sure i get why it's a form of protest. I don't get why it warrants the attention of the president, doesn't he have better things to do like golfing?

    I mean, kneeling isn't exactly a form of disrespect in itself. If the NFL players wanted to show a middlefinger to america, show an actual middlefinger.

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