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    If they premiere it the same week as the Childhood's End mini-series it could get off to a good start, and then it might not matter about a short hiatus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakar View Post
    December, So it will be a hiatus around christmas and new year. 10 episodes and with a hiatus!! Great!
    Taking a break the weeks of Christmas & New Years isn't a bad thing. Those are busy weeks and I can understand them not wanting to air when people would almost certainly DVR it. Remember, Live viewers are more desired by the advertisers. And if the advertisers aren't happy, no one is happy. In addition, with only 10 eps this year, a short break will make the run seem longer than it is.

    The real problem is the half-seasons we're being trained to accept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoyed View Post

    The real problem is the half-seasons we're being trained to accept.
    True. After all it's allready a 5 books series so there is plenty of story to tell. And i think it would be better for them to do a 20 episodes season of The Expanse than filling their schedule with trash like Z nation or Olympus.

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    Its easier to write a great show when you only have to write 10-13 episodes, especially when its a show like the Expense which can't do filler episodes.

    I know that I prefer getting fewer episodes if it means the quality of each episode is higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrminarrd View Post
    Its easier to write a great show when you only have to write 10-13 episodes, especially when its a show like the Expense which can't do filler episodes.

    I know that I prefer getting fewer episodes if it means the quality of each episode is higher.
    with 5 books of story? and i know many shows of 10-13 episodes which were simply mediocre or bad

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    Game of Thrones seems to be doing pretty good at just 10 episodes a year, same for Orphan Black. The former has more than five books to work with, the latter is an original concept. Either way, I prefer getting the meat of the story without all the filler of a 20-24 episode season. In the case of Expanse, they have a lot of story to adapt for future seasons, so they have no reason to cram too much into the first one.

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    And Outlander which is also an adaptation of a many books series is also doing fine with a season of 16 episodes which is the adaptation of the first book. and why not make 2 books a season (there would be a midseason hiatus anyway) so you could get the meat of the story. Games of thrones is just one more example of how a channell tries to milk the cow for as many years as possible.

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    The events of the first book would be stretched very thin imo if they tried to make 20+ episodes from the material. Admittedly they aren't doing a 100% faithful adaptation of the book as there is a character showing up in season 1 that doesn't appear in the books until book 2, but I would rather they stick as close as possible to the original story as I think the original authors are better writers than the show runners.

    This opinion is largely shaped by my dislike of all the changes that the show runners of "Game of Thrones" have been making to the original story. So far this season they have all pretty much been for the worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    The preview clip looked like Sir Ben Kingsly was there..
    If only that were true, it was Jonathan Banks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrminarrd View Post
    The events of the first book would be stretched very thin imo if they tried to make 20+ episodes from the material. Admittedly they aren't doing a 100% faithful adaptation of the book as there is a character showing up in season 1 that doesn't appear in the books until book 2, but I would rather they stick as close as possible to the original story as I think the original authors are better writers than the show runners.

    This opinion is largely shaped by my dislike of all the changes that the show runners of "Game of Thrones" have been making to the original story. So far this season they have all pretty much been for the worse.
    This discussion started here on this thread but my point was not only for The Expanse. So let's accept, for the moment, that The expanse can not be made in bigger seasons, So why don't make Dark matter in bigger seasons (Mallozzi allready has the plan for season 2) or 12 Monkeys. If they had even one show with a 20 episode season rather than doing Olympus (with ratings constantly under 600k) perhaps they would do better in ratings.

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    I don't really believe that having lengthier seasons of any show would help with ratings. In fact, I would say the opposite is more likely. Television in 2015 is just not what it used to be. American audiences have indeed been "trained" to embrace 10-13 episode seasons, and while I'd have never said this the last time I made a post on GateWorld (which, for the record, was probably sometime in 2011) I've also come around to the idea. Sure, I wouldn't mind some more 22-episode fare, but that's quite a few weeks to ask modern audiences to keep up with. Quite a few, indeed.

    Concentrate the quality writing; keep things focused, well-serialized. That's what audiences want from their genre TV outings these days, and it's easier to achieve with shorter orders. The Expanse's first book is 10 episodes long at best, too, I'd say. So it all works out rather nicely.

    Nah, SyFy's ratings have tanked because a great many viewers abandoned the network in frustration. Also, due to the changing TV climate in general. It's a bad combination for the network, but I applaud its heads of programming for going all-in on efforts to recapture the glory days in the coming months and years. I'll be watching, and spreading word wherever I go. I'll of course wish the lineup included more Stargate, but them's the breaks.

    EDIT: Phew, I just checked exactly how long it's been since my last post on GateWorld. February 2011... wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff O'Connor View Post
    Television in 2015 is just not what it used to be. American audiences have indeed been "trained" to embrace 10-13 episode seasons,
    Only by the cable outlets. The large networks still do 22-ish ep. seasons of most of their hit shows. Their biggest use of half seasons is to give a show a trial run. Forever, on ABC was an example of this. It was originally given a 13 episode order, which was increased to a full season several months into its one season run.

    Contrast this with cable networks, who only give even their very best shows half-seasons. Suits, Burn Notice (USA), Haven, Continuum (SyFy).
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    Certainly true, but network ratings have sort of been freefalling for years. I don't think it's coincidental. The 1.5 Nielsen is the new 2.5, and all that jazz. With a few noteworthy exceptions (such as Empire, for a very recent example) everything's kind of down in the ditch, and networks have begun experimenting with shorter-order "event" shows more frequently as a result.

    I see your point; there's still some room for a longer order on the television space. And I'm sure it wouldn't be an impossible task to get audiences more comfortable with the idea again. But TV is staving off threats from every corner, and 22-episode orders as the genre programming norm might not help matters.
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    There is a simple quaestion: what would the syfy viewers prefer? An 18 epeisode season of 12 monkeys or Olympus? yes i know that the 12 monkeys ratings were not so good but Olympus is doing even worst

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    I would prefer another solid 13 episodes of 12 Monkeys, no more than that, then drop Olympus and develop another quality show.

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    I would prefer full seasons (22 - 26 eps) of any veteran series. And I don't think they have to sacrifice quality for length of run.

    If they want to "try" a series with a 13 ep. order, I can understand that, but if a series does well enough to survive the trial, it ought to get a full order.

    I don't really understand why they do the short orders anyway; if a series makes enough money to keep it on the schedule, wouldn't a longer run make more money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff O'Connor View Post
    Certainly true, but network ratings have sort of been freefalling for years. I don't think it's coincidental. The 1.5 Nielsen is the new 2.5, and all that jazz. With a few noteworthy exceptions (such as Empire, for a very recent example) everything's kind of down in the ditch, and networks have begun experimenting with shorter-order "event" shows more frequently as a result.
    I don't think running full seasons is what is hurting the networks. There are simply many other ways a potential viewer can spend his/her time these days. Cable TV, games, as well as the increasingly busy pace of people's lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecgordon View Post
    I would prefer another solid 13 episodes of 12 Monkeys, no more than that, then drop Olympus and develop another quality show.
    then they should start another good show immediately after 12 monkeys.Why they didn't? because rather than giving the money in time and, most important, making the decision for another show in time so they could air it after 12 monkeys they greenlighted olympus a show that is by defintion bad (very bad) camp. I have the impression that the current syfy executives doesn't have a clue what good science fiction or fantasy means. Dark matter (or something else) could be greenlighted 3-4 monthw earlier so it could started in april.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakar View Post
    I have the impression that the current syfy executives doesn't have a clue what good science fiction or fantasy means. Dark matter (or something else) could be greenlighted 3-4 monthw earlier so it could started in april.
    Actually, I think they do understand what we want to see; they have done more than a few shows I rate as excellent; Haven, Continuum, 12 Monkeys for example. Although it's not my cup of tea, I'll also credit them with Lost Girl, as it seems to have a very solid following.

    The problem is that the potential audience for "Good Science Fiction" isn't that large to begin with, and it's tough to draw enough eyeballs to satisfy the bean counters and advertising sales people. Good Sci Fi is also more expensive to produce.

    For a number of years, SyFy tried to expand it's audience numbers by airing crappy but well-rated fare such as fake wrestling, reality shows and the like. That was their stated goal.

    They have now stated that they want to return to airing scifi content. And from what I can see, they are trying. I don't see fake wrestling on their Fri. night schedule this week, and they did air 12 Monkeys in what used to be WWE's Friday night timeslot. They have a number of potential good sci fi shows in the pipeline. Granted, Ascension was a dud, most likely 'cause the bean counters nixed a real space show, due to cost. We haven't seen The Expanse or Dark Matter yet, so those are unknowns.

    While 12 Monkeys did turn out to be good, it's ratings were rather poor. After the recent few years, I don't think they're going to get stellar ratings from anything they put up, they betrayed their target audience, and it will take time to win the audience back. They seem to realize that too, as they did greenlight a 2nd season for 12Monkeys even with the poor ratings for season 1.

    I think we just have to be patient at this point, and wait to see if they are going to walk the walk, in addition to talking the talk.
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    Annoyed, I know you have advocated longer seasons quite a few times. Way back in the 60s shows got 30 or more episodes a season, but they gradually were reduced year by year, down to the average of 22 for the most popular network shows, 24 for a few exceptions. But the expense of that is only justified for the powerhouse shows like NCIS, Big Bang Theory, etc. CBS has even dropped Person of Interest to 13 for what will likely be its last season. The new norm is 13, no matter what you prefer, so you're just going to have to get used to it.

    I would much rather have four good 13 episodes shows a year rather than two mediocre filler-filled 26 ep shows.

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