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    Default Spoilers through the Books & Show: Blog

    I started my blog because of reading a book. I have correlated so many similarities that I decided to start noting them to see where it goes. Now that I have finished the books series the link below is just one of many of my theories as to how I believe that certain story arc's may end based upon what I would do given the same information.

    http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...-stark-in.html

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    Default Does Ygritte still have a part to play?

    I honestly believe we will see Ygritte again. I know there are those out there who are saying "You know nothing, b00gieman" but I just say that time will tell.

    http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...t-to-play.html

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    Ygritte was evil so she'd make a good undead character if she comes back as a wight

    come to think of it if the southerners had some common sense they'd start a campaign to wipe out most of the wildlings (sparing a few like Mance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    Ygritte was evil so she'd make a good undead character if she comes back as a wight

    come to think of it if the southerners had some common sense they'd start a campaign to wipe out most of the wildlings (sparing a few like Mance)

    Most of the characters in ASOIAF aren't really good or bad. It's really a matter of perspective. If you had been born on the north side of the wall wouldn't your philosophy of those south of the wall pretty much be the same as hers? I think perspectives will become clearer once the truth about the past comes out and then once sides are chosen we will see good vs evil take shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b00gieman View Post
    Most of the characters in ASOIAF aren't really good or bad. It's really a matter of perspective. If you had been born on the north side of the wall wouldn't your philosophy of those south of the wall pretty much be the same as hers? I think perspectives will become clearer once the truth about the past comes out and then once sides are chosen we will see good vs evil take shape.
    maybe but the wildlings are one of the few who are clearly cut out as the objectively evil type (more specifically the "chaotic evil" alignment, only a few are like that in the south like Joffrey, Ramsay, the mountain, the tickler etc.)
    that's because they systematically kill unarmed villagers indiscriminately without even giving them a chance to surrender (which is worse than even savage factions of the south like the dothraki). in fact it's surprising Jon didn't mention this to Stannis

    if the wildlings feel persecuted then why don't they go after the armed forces of the south instead? obviously they just use that as an excuse to have fun in their own way

    IMO the wildlings were a essentially meant to be the orcs in LOTR
    (in LOTR a few orcs are even depicted as relatively honourable compared to the rest of the race just like Mance is here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    maybe but the wildlings are one of the few who are clearly cut out as the objectively evil type (more specifically the "chaotic evil" alignment, only a few are like that in the south like Joffrey, Ramsay, the mountain, the tickler etc.)
    that's because they systematically kill unarmed villagers indiscriminately without even giving them a chance to surrender (which is worse than even savage factions of the south like the dothraki). in fact it's surprising Jon didn't mention this to Stannis

    if the wildlings feel persecuted then why don't they go after the armed forces of the south instead? obviously they just use that as an excuse to have fun in their own way

    IMO the wildlings were a essentially meant to be the orcs in LOTR
    (in LOTR a few orcs are even depicted as relatively honourable compared to the rest of the race just like Mance is here)


    If you are referring to the man they encountered who had the horses that was just a bi-product of war. Take for instance that in the Seven Kingdoms they ransom off high born lords and ladies because it benefits them. But the smallfolk are not even given a second thought. If you look at it that way then everybody is evil. One man's terrorist is one man's freedom fighter. I just believe that we don't know the entire truth and like I keep saying once it comes out it is going to be a game changer.

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    Default Would Cersei’s life be different without Maggy the Frog’s prophecy?

    What the character Elaida has to tell us about who Cersei is and why she will meet her ultimate demise at the hands of the valonqar.


    http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...t-without.html

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    In The Wheel of Time the fight for the Sun Throne and Lion Throne is called "The Game of Houses." In ASOIAF the fight for the "Iron Throne" is called "The Game of Thrones." The same political maneuvering and backstabbing is found in both. The gathering of armies and the smallfolk paying the biggest price.

    http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...-houses-2.html

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    the bloke with the horses was the least of examples, I mostly meant the ones in the subsequent episodes where they raided a farm (the bald cannibal wildlings were part of the raid & they even killed some kid's parents in front of him) as well as that small village which they attacked at night & killed everyone except Gilly who was able to hide

    of course just about everyone south is evil (feudalism is evil) but so far the wildlings are the only faction shown to systematically proceed like this

    (some people in the south like Tywin are perfectly capable of doing something like that but only as a means to an end when it serves their purpose and even then only as some sort of (grossly disproportionate) retribution like in Castamere for instance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    the bloke with the horses was the least of examples, I mostly meant the ones in the subsequent episodes where they raided a farm (the bald cannibal wildlings were part of the raid & they even killed some kid's parents in front of him) as well as that small village which they attacked at night & killed everyone except Gilly who was able to hide

    of course just about everyone south is evil (feudalism is evil) but so far the wildlings are the only faction shown to systematically proceed like this

    (some people in the south like Tywin are perfectly capable of doing something like that but only as a means to an end when it serves their purpose and even then only as some sort of (grossly disproportionate) retribution like in Castamere for instance)
    Au Contraire Mon Capitan. Did you forget who sent the Mountain out to terrorize the countryside. That was none other than Tywin Lannister. Again a matter of perspective. We could do this all day but there will always be an example that shows that it depends on which side you fighting for that determines your actions and each side justifies their actions based upon their goals. The winner writes the history but in the case of Westeros I believe we are going to find that this isn't the case and I believe we will find that R'hllor and his followers pulled the wool over everyone's eyes making the Other's the snarks and grumpkins of every child's nightmares. What would the Wildlings do if they took prisoners? Would they establish prison camps and leave men behind to guard them when they are so few to begin with? No they would kill them and move on otherwise they take a chance of those individuals alerting the kingdom of their presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b00gieman View Post
    Au Contraire Mon Capitan. Did you forget who sent the Mountain out to terrorize the countryside. That was none other than Tywin Lannister. Again a matter of perspective. We could do this all day but there will always be an example that shows that it depends on which side you fighting for that determines your actions and each side justifies their actions based upon their goals. The winner writes the history but in the case of Westeros I believe we are going to find that this isn't the case and I believe we will find that R'hllor and his followers pulled the wool over everyone's eyes making the Other's the snarks and grumpkins of every child's nightmares. What would the Wildlings do if they took prisoners? Would they establish prison camps and leave men behind to guard them when they are so few to begin with? No they would kill them and move on otherwise they take a chance of those individuals alerting the kingdom of their presence.
    then You Are Relieved Of Duty Commander
    history versions are one thing but visuals are another (can't deny what's shown on screen)
    there's again the difference in alignments between neutral evil & chaotic evil - Tywin for starters is the big bad of the story so we expect big-bad from him :|
    he specifically targeted the villagers in that area as "punishment" for siding with the Brotherhood (or as a warning to the Brotherhood that their actions killed those they wanted to help), it was part of his reign of terror & it was a means to an end. remember when he ordered the tortures to stop? not out of compassion but because he needed hand labour
    like I said he's one bad example not the entire south, other kings like Robert, Robb, Renly or even Stannis would've punished such actions
    there's good not-so-bad houses like the Starks, Tyrells, Tullys, Baratheons, then there's evil houses like the Lannisters, Greyjoys/ironborn, Freys, Boltons...

    the wildlings on the other hand are all consistent in their MO and are a simpler mindset: kill whoever's in their path who's not one of them (and sometimes eat them while they're at it)
    for the heck of it
    in fact southeners like the Mountain would fit in perfectly with the wildlings

    that's why it's better to deal with someone like Tywin, give them what they want (even false info) & there's small chance to survive
    if dealing with wildlings on the other hand chances of survival are exactly nil. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    then You Are Relieved Of Duty Commander
    history versions are one thing but visuals are another (can't deny what's shown on screen)
    there's again the difference in alignments between neutral evil & chaotic evil - Tywin for starters is the big bad of the story so we expect big-bad from him :|
    he specifically targeted the villagers in that area as "punishment" for siding with the Brotherhood (or as a warning to the Brotherhood that their actions killed those they wanted to help), it was part of his reign of terror & it was a means to an end. remember when he ordered the tortures to stop? not out of compassion but because he needed hand labour
    like I said he's one bad example not the entire south, other kings like Robert, Robb, Renly or even Stannis would've punished such actions
    there's good not-so-bad houses like the Starks, Tyrells, Tullys, Baratheons, then there's evil houses like the Lannisters, Greyjoys/ironborn, Freys, Boltons...

    the wildlings on the other hand are all consistent in their MO and are a simpler mindset: kill whoever's in their path who's not one of them (and sometimes eat them while they're at it)
    for the heck of it
    in fact southeners like the Mountain would fit in perfectly with the wildlings

    that's why it's better to deal with someone like Tywin, give them what they want (even false info) & there's small chance to survive
    if dealing with wildlings on the other hand chances of survival are exactly nil. lol


    Have you read the books? It seems you are making your arguments based upon the TV show. TV does a lot of things for dramatic effect. The things I am posting on this website is to show the reader that I believe that ASOIAF will end in a similar fashion to The Wheel of Time. Take the topic we are discussing but not in line with what I was actually trying to state. I believe that Ygritte will come back as a hero of the Horn of Winter the same as Birgritte did in TWOT as a hero of the Horn of Valere. All men do both good and bad so you really can't put people into one category or the other in ASOIAF. If she does reappear in this fashion do you actually think the Men of the Night's Watch would see her as evil if she was fighting for their side? The Wildings just happened to be north of the Wall when it went up and now they are considered the bad guys. The Night's Watch seems to have lost their purpose. Why would you need a 700 foot wall to guard the realm against normal people. A bit excessive IMO. There is more to the story than we know and the part about the White Walkers or the Others hasn't been told yet. Have patience grasshopper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b00gieman View Post
    Have patience grasshopper
    but I c'Ant wait


    yeah I was talking about the show - this forum's about TV only - haven't read the book

    I know there's various divergences from the original storyline, some small some not so small
    eg. I know 1 detail, apparently in the book the Tickler met a more appropriate/karmic death than on screen hehe
    but I reckon that's why the screenwriters took care to only base the show on the book not make an adaptation (hence the different title. Peter Jackson should've done likewise for the LOTR movies)

    and judging by the legnth of the show I imagine the books must be incredibly long, far longer than the entire middle-earth storyline so tbh I'm not sure I'll read them once the show's over

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    but I c'Ant wait


    yeah I was talking about the show - this forum's about TV only - haven't read the book

    I know there's various divergences from the original storyline, some small some not so small
    eg. I know 1 detail, apparently in the book the Tickler met a more appropriate/karmic death than on screen hehe
    but I reckon that's why the screenwriters took care to only base the show on the book not make an adaptation (hence the different title. Peter Jackson should've done likewise for the LOTR movies)

    and judging by the legnth of the show I imagine the books must be incredibly long, far longer than the entire middle-earth storyline so tbh I'm not sure I'll read them once the show's over

    Then you should definitely read the books. They are much better than the show IMO. Hope I didn't spoil anything for you but if you went to my blog it states up front that spoilers follow. Like I said before I have seen so many similarities between ASOIAF and TWOT that it can't be just coincidence. So I am putting together a theory as to how I believe The Game of Thrones will end based upon TWOT.

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    nothing spoiled so far cause I didn't read the blog nevertheless I've read elsewhere that even the moral alignments of various factions aren't always the same in the show & in the books

    but I wouldn't mind some minor spoilers about 2 things

    - are the books also PG15? I watched the show expecting something like LOTR PG-wise, tbh I wasn't shocked but I did find the explicit language & scenes lol-worthy at best, distracting at worst for a medieval fantasy setting (besides they could've got an even wider audience if they'd done a normal show instead)

    - in season 4 Dany had to lock up 2 of her dragons because the 3rd is loose, will she learn to control her dragons? they're the most awesome feature of the show so far (it's a pity the dragons in GOT ain't immortal like the LOTR ones)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    then You Are Relieved Of Duty Commander
    history versions are one thing but visuals are another (can't deny what's shown on screen)
    there's again the difference in alignments between neutral evil & chaotic evil - Tywin for starters is the big bad of the story so we expect big-bad from him :|
    he specifically targeted the villagers in that area as "punishment" for siding with the Brotherhood (or as a warning to the Brotherhood that their actions killed those they wanted to help), it was part of his reign of terror & it was a means to an end. remember when he ordered the tortures to stop? not out of compassion but because he needed hand labour
    like I said he's one bad example not the entire south, other kings like Robert, Robb, Renly or even Stannis would've punished such actions
    there's good not-so-bad houses like the Starks, Tyrells, Tullys, Baratheons, then there's evil houses like the Lannisters, Greyjoys/ironborn, Freys, Boltons...

    the wildlings on the other hand are all consistent in their MO and are a simpler mindset: kill whoever's in their path who's not one of them (and sometimes eat them while they're at it)
    for the heck of it
    in fact southeners like the Mountain would fit in perfectly with the wildlings

    that's why it's better to deal with someone like Tywin, give them what they want (even false info) & there's small chance to survive
    if dealing with wildlings on the other hand chances of survival are exactly nil. lol
    SoulReaver,
    I just wanted to share with you Jon Snow's thoughts on Wildlings crossing the wall and what happens if they are discovered. This should help you understand why they do what they do when it comes to prisoners:

    Excerpt from A Storm of Swords

    "But in between the only way to defeat the Wall was to go over it, and many a raider had. Fewer come back, though, he thought with a certain grim pride. Climbers must of necessity leave their mounts behind, and many younger, greener raiders began by taking the first horses they found. Then a hue and cry would go up, ravens would fly, and as often as not the Night’s Watch would hunt them down and hang them before they could get back with their plunder and stolen women. Jarl would not make that mistake, Jon knew, but he wondered about Styr. The Magnar is a ruler, not a raider. He may not know how the game is played."

    The show only shows you so much. Like for instance some people didn't know that Dany spoke Valyrian until after she had purchased the Unsullied and started speaking it and burned the masters. In the books she speaks it all the time and Ser Jorah tells her to pretend she couldn't speak it so she could learn exactly what they thought of her by feigning ignorance. When she was embraced by the slaves that were freed and calling her Mother that was also known as she had seen it in a vision that she had seen in the House of the Undying. TV has to be exciting and leaving certain aspects out provides that excitement to the viewer.

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    yea but remember I'm only basing what I said on the show, and the show itself ain't meant to be a book adaptation (unlike the LOTR movies), it's only based on the books
    so it's quite possible wildlings ain't as evil in the books

    btw I recall another scene in the show where Brienne was escorting Jaime and some merchant went by, Jaime suggested she should take care of him (kill or capture I don't remember) lest he be a witness - and it turned out he did rat them out later on - but she still chose to let him go on his way despite the risk since he was an innocent
    and she wasn't invading someone else's territory either

    also in the show remember the wildling Thenn chief (big bald guy as big as the Hound), he actually let a kid live after killing his relatives, so that he could run off to Castle Black & tell everyone what happened. so the wildlings weren't even concerned about stealth on the contrary they wanted to boast by letting everyone know they were there

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    speaking of the wall, what's even the point of the wall & the Night Watch?

    in season 2 it's shown that the wall can be bypassed (that's how Osha made it on the other side without climbing, go figure why the other wildlings didn't do the same)

    furthermore the night's watch is composed mostly of criminals, many of them felons
    entrusting the security of the 7 kingdoms to dangerous criminals doesn't sound like a wise tactical choice, but leaving that aside, most of the crows barely have basic combat training. WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulReaver View Post
    speaking of the wall, what's even the point of the wall & the Night Watch?

    in season 2 it's shown that the wall can be bypassed (that's how Osha made it on the other side without climbing, go figure why the other wildlings didn't do the same)

    furthermore the night's watch is composed mostly of criminals, many of them felons
    entrusting the security of the 7 kingdoms to dangerous criminals doesn't sound like a wise tactical choice, but leaving that aside, most of the crows barely have basic combat training. WTF?

    My personal theory is that the Wall was built by the Others and was set up by a Pact that was established after the Long Night. History has been lost and the tales that have been passed down are just a shadow of what actually is. Once I get all my similarities out as to what I have seen I will put out how I believe ASOIAF will end. Who knows HBO may like my version better than that of GRRM's. Since I played a similar game when I was growing up with TV shows with my friends in changing plot lines I think I can determine some of the things he may do when it is all said and done. I know a lot of people don't agree with my assessment but you can't just overlook the things that I have written simply because you say that an author wouldn't go that route and use portions of a story already written simply because you like the story. I am not saying it is plagiarism only that major story arcs follow closely and then a twist is thrown in to not make it so. Anyone who has read both books can attest that what I have written true as I pretty much copied and pasted directly from the books to make my point. That way you can simply look it up for yourself.

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