Spoilers through the Books & Show: Blog

[SoulReaver]

nothing spoiled so far cause I didn't read the blog nevertheless I've read elsewhere that even the moral alignments of various factions aren't always the same in the show & in the books

but I wouldn't mind some minor spoilers about 2 things

- are the books also PG15? I watched the show expecting something like LOTR PG-wise, tbh I wasn't shocked but I did find the explicit language & scenes lol-worthy at best, distracting at worst for a medieval fantasy setting (besides they could've got an even wider audience if they'd done a normal show instead)

- in season 4 Dany had to lock up 2 of her dragons because the 3rd is loose, will she learn to control her dragons? they're the most awesome feature of the show so far (it's a pity the dragons in GOT ain't immortal like the LOTR ones)

[b00gieman]

nothing spoiled so far cause I didn't read the blog nevertheless I've read elsewhere that even the moral alignments of various factions aren't always the same in the show & in the books

but I wouldn't mind some minor spoilers about 2 things

- are the books also PG15? I watched the show expecting something like LOTR PG-wise, tbh I wasn't shocked but I did find the explicit language & scenes lol-worthy at best, distracting at worst for a medieval fantasy setting (besides they could've got an even wider audience if they'd done a normal show instead)

- in season 4 Dany had to lock up 2 of her dragons because the 3rd is loose, will she learn to control her dragons? they're the most awesome feature of the show so far (it's a pity the dragons in GOT ain't immortal like the LOTR ones)

The books do get graphic although HBO goes over the top on some things that really aren't in the books (for instance the whole thing with Renly and Loras). As far as Dany being able to control her dragons that still hasn't been determined but there are some hints as to what may come. The show this year could start spoiling the books. GRRM is crazy IMO for not putting the books out now. He could possibly get more than just the book readers to buy the books if he released them now. If he waits until after it has played out on HBO he may not get those people to buy. The book readers however will read them whenever they are released.

[b00gieman]

nothing spoiled so far cause I didn't read the blog nevertheless I've read elsewhere that even the moral alignments of various factions aren't always the same in the show & in the books

but I wouldn't mind some minor spoilers about 2 things

- are the books also PG15? I watched the show expecting something like LOTR PG-wise, tbh I wasn't shocked but I did find the explicit language & scenes lol-worthy at best, distracting at worst for a medieval fantasy setting (besides they could've got an even wider audience if they'd done a normal show instead)

- in season 4 Dany had to lock up 2 of her dragons because the 3rd is loose, will she learn to control her dragons? they're the most awesome feature of the show so far (it's a pity the dragons in GOT ain't immortal like the LOTR ones)

I do have a working theory on control of the dragons in my blog:

Why do ships that travel to Valyria fail to return and why does Dragonbinder or the hellhorn bind dragons to the owners will?

http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...o-valyria.html

Read at your own risk

[b00gieman]

those were the funniest parts. lol
possible explanation is some lawyer work was at play with HBO being threatened by some association to include such scenes for the sake of equality & political correctness etc.


too bad about the dragons I was hoping for some vague spoilers (so far only rumours, some interesting but can't tell which ones are solid & which ones started off on the web)

looks like it's the bookworms who will have to be patient & resist the urge to turn on the tv :|

Not really. GRRM has pretty much put in everything IMO when you factor in all the prophecies to make an educated guess as to how things may end. The only thing with prophecies is that they are vague on purpose so that they can go pretty much any way. But like I said I believe that TWOT will play into how it ends. When I compare Cersei to the Elaida character in TWOT it lines up to much to be coincidence.

[SoulReaver]

(for instance the whole thing with Renly and Loras)

those were the funniest parts. lol
possible explanation is some serious lawyer work was at play with HBO being pressured by some associations into including such scenes for the sake of PC equality etc.



edit> didn't notice the 2nd post
a dragon horn? now that's interesting
this suggests dragons can be controlled by anyone so everyone will be trying to get that horn

though it'd be cool if Dany could control at least one of the dragons by will alone (seeing that she's their adoptive mother)

[b00gieman]

Why Jon Snow and Rand al'Thor are the same character

http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...-are-same.html

[b00gieman]

then You Are Relieved Of Duty Commander
history versions are one thing but visuals are another (can't deny what's shown on screen)
there's again the difference in alignments between neutral evil & chaotic evil - Tywin for starters is the big bad of the story so we expect big-bad from him :|
he specifically targeted the villagers in that area as "punishment" for siding with the Brotherhood (or as a warning to the Brotherhood that their actions killed those they wanted to help), it was part of his reign of terror & it was a means to an end. remember when he ordered the tortures to stop? not out of compassion but because he needed hand labour
like I said he's one bad example not the entire south, other kings like Robert, Robb, Renly or even Stannis would've punished such actions
there's good not-so-bad houses like the Starks, Tyrells, Tullys, Baratheons, then there's evil houses like the Lannisters, Greyjoys/ironborn, Freys, Boltons...

the wildlings on the other hand are all consistent in their MO and are a simpler mindset: kill whoever's in their path who's not one of them (and sometimes eat them while they're at it)
for the heck of it
in fact southeners like the Mountain would fit in perfectly with the wildlings

that's why it's better to deal with someone like Tywin, give them what they want (even false info) & there's small chance to survive
if dealing with wildlings on the other hand chances of survival are exactly nil. lol

SoulReaver,
I just wanted to share with you Jon Snow's thoughts on Wildlings crossing the wall and what happens if they are discovered. This should help you understand why they do what they do when it comes to prisoners:

Excerpt from A Storm of Swords

"But in between the only way to defeat the Wall was to go over it, and many a raider had. Fewer come back, though, he thought with a certain grim pride. Climbers must of necessity leave their mounts behind, and many younger, greener raiders began by taking the first horses they found. Then a hue and cry would go up, ravens would fly, and as often as not the Night’s Watch would hunt them down and hang them before they could get back with their plunder and stolen women. Jarl would not make that mistake, Jon knew, but he wondered about Styr. The Magnar is a ruler, not a raider. He may not know how the game is played."

The show only shows you so much. Like for instance some people didn't know that Dany spoke Valyrian until after she had purchased the Unsullied and started speaking it and burned the masters. In the books she speaks it all the time and Ser Jorah tells her to pretend she couldn't speak it so she could learn exactly what they thought of her by feigning ignorance. When she was embraced by the slaves that were freed and calling her Mother that was also known as she had seen it in a vision that she had seen in the House of the Undying. TV has to be exciting and leaving certain aspects out provides that excitement to the viewer.

[SoulReaver]

yea but remember I'm only basing what I said on the show, and the show itself ain't meant to be a book adaptation (unlike the LOTR movies), it's only based on the books
so it's quite possible wildlings ain't as evil in the books

btw I recall another scene in the show where Brienne was escorting Jaime and some merchant went by, Jaime suggested she should take care of him (kill or capture I don't remember) lest he be a witness - and it turned out he did rat them out later on - but she still chose to let him go on his way despite the risk since he was an innocent
and she wasn't invading someone else's territory either

also in the show remember the wildling Thenn chief (big bald guy as big as the Hound), he actually let a kid live after killing his relatives, so that he could run off to Castle Black & tell everyone what happened. so the wildlings weren't even concerned about stealth on the contrary they wanted to boast by letting everyone know they were there

[SoulReaver]

speaking of the wall, what's even the point of the wall & the Night Watch?

in season 2 it's shown that the wall can be bypassed (that's how Osha made it on the other side without climbing, go figure why the other wildlings didn't do the same)

furthermore the night's watch is composed mostly of criminals, many of them felons
entrusting the security of the 7 kingdoms to dangerous criminals doesn't sound like a wise tactical choice, but leaving that aside, most of the crows barely have basic combat training. WTF?

[b00gieman]

speaking of the wall, what's even the point of the wall & the Night Watch?

in season 2 it's shown that the wall can be bypassed (that's how Osha made it on the other side without climbing, go figure why the other wildlings didn't do the same)

furthermore the night's watch is composed mostly of criminals, many of them felons
entrusting the security of the 7 kingdoms to dangerous criminals doesn't sound like a wise tactical choice, but leaving that aside, most of the crows barely have basic combat training. WTF?

My personal theory is that the Wall was built by the Others and was set up by a Pact that was established after the Long Night. History has been lost and the tales that have been passed down are just a shadow of what actually is. Once I get all my similarities out as to what I have seen I will put out how I believe ASOIAF will end. Who knows HBO may like my version better than that of GRRM's. Since I played a similar game when I was growing up with TV shows with my friends in changing plot lines I think I can determine some of the things he may do when it is all said and done. I know a lot of people don't agree with my assessment but you can't just overlook the things that I have written simply because you say that an author wouldn't go that route and use portions of a story already written simply because you like the story. I am not saying it is plagiarism only that major story arcs follow closely and then a twist is thrown in to not make it so. Anyone who has read both books can attest that what I have written true as I pretty much copied and pasted directly from the books to make my point. That way you can simply look it up for yourself.

[b00gieman]

Where did the "Faith of the Seven" come from?

http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...come-from.html

[b00gieman]

Why you can't forecast the weather in ASOIAF

http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...in-asoiaf.html

Haven't you guys ever wondered why the weather is so erratic?

[b00gieman]

What will happen to Jon Snow after ADWD

http://howthegameofthronesends.blogs...fter-adwd.html

[Who Knows]

I have read some of the links you have provided bOOgieman, & I do not really understand what you are talking about.
Wheel of Time & A Song of Fire and Ice (or Game of Thrones if you prefer) are written by two different authors. I am having difficulty understanding why GRRM would copy/plagiarize another author.
That you would chose to pick on Wheel of Time to try to find similarities (or perceived similarities) to Game of Thrones is beyond me, unless you have a vested interest in pushing WoT in this forum.

[b00gieman]

I'm not trying to push TWOT at all. All I am saying is that I believe that ASOIAF will end in a way that has something to do with TWOT. For the most part I have just been showing everyone where the same thing seems to play out in TWOT and then show you the same setting played out in ASOIAF.