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    #16
    I watched it again and still feel very iffy on it. 5/10
    Go home aliens, go home!!!!

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      #17
      British astronauts in an American shuttle in a ripoff of the Apollo 18 storyline?
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        #18
        Originally posted by Teddybrown View Post
        Really not sure what to make of this episode tbh, after reading all the pre episode hype about it being eally good and a game changer...
        I think the game changer bit was because The Doctor didn't stay to hold Clara's hand while she made a decision..

        It clearly means he's evil now

        But like he said, it's not his planet, not his moon and not the future of his species that will change. So why should he be expected to make the decision for them?

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          #19
          Hmm.

          That's about all I can say. By and large good, but interrupted by moments of 'hmm'.


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            #20
            Indeed.. The human race lost interest in going to space.. How is that possible? Titan is right there! How can anyone not want to go to Titan?

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              #21
              Originally posted by Pharaoh Hamenthotep View Post
              Indeed.. The human race lost interest in going to space.. How is that possible? Titan is right there! How can anyone not want to go to Titan?
              Because that's where the TET is and the TET is bad news
              Go home aliens, go home!!!!

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                #22
                Only got to see it today on DVR. Not impressed on first glance, not even sure where to start. Perhaps by watching it again...

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                  #23
                  I kinda called out the moon bit. I didn't expect it to be an egg but with the title saying "Kill the Moon" and them calling the spiders bacteria, I was like "It's a living moon, isn't it?"

                  My problem was the supposed moral debate that the Doctor just immediately picks a side to. In the one episode where the space whale was carrying a city, it was clear the Eleventh Doctor was torn up on what to do, he recognized the gray of the decision. In this one, Twelve just decides which one.

                  This is the 'baby on one set of railroad tracks and a dozen people on the other', moral question, except instead of a dozen people it's not several billion people and Twelve is able to just pick one and act as if the answer is black and white.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by StargateMillennium View Post
                    I kinda called out the moon bit. I didn't expect it to be an egg but with the title saying "Kill the Moon" and them calling the spiders bacteria, I was like "It's a living moon, isn't it?"

                    My problem was the supposed moral debate that the Doctor just immediately picks a side to. In the one episode where the space whale was carrying a city, it was clear the Eleventh Doctor was torn up on what to do, he recognized the gray of the decision. In this one, Twelve just decides which one.

                    This is the 'baby on one set of railroad tracks and a dozen people on the other', moral question, except instead of a dozen people it's not several billion people and Twelve is able to just pick one and act as if the answer is black and white.
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by StargateMillennium View Post
                      I kinda called out the moon bit. I didn't expect it to be an egg but with the title saying "Kill the Moon" and them calling the spiders bacteria, I was like "It's a living moon, isn't it?"

                      My problem was the supposed moral debate that the Doctor just immediately picks a side to. In the one episode where the space whale was carrying a city, it was clear the Eleventh Doctor was torn up on what to do, he recognized the gray of the decision. In this one, Twelve just decides which one.

                      This is the 'baby on one set of railroad tracks and a dozen people on the other', moral question, except instead of a dozen people it's not several billion people and Twelve is able to just pick one and act as if the answer is black and white.
                      Erm, what did the doctor decide?
                      He made his case, then left it to the Humans to decide.
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                        #26
                        To follow the references to the past...

                        "Well, Vira, now that's sorted, we'll be off. Not my place to decide whether you leave these thousands of sleeping humans to become the first meal of the new Wirrn hatchlings... Ta tar."
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
                          Erm, what did the doctor decide?
                          He made his case, then left it to the Humans to decide.
                          He favored the baby moon. While he did not act on it and left it for the three humans to decide, he treated like the situation is straight forward with a clear right and wrong. After Clara stopped the nuke detonation he told her he always had faith that she would make the right choice. If we are to believe what he said about being genuinely clueless of what will happen, that means he put a right and wrong in a morally grey question.

                          Baby or a billion people on the rail road track. Clara was about to sacrifice the billion people for the baby. Doctor says she made the right choice.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
                            Erm, what did the doctor decide?
                            He made his case, then left it to the Humans to decide.
                            As above, he chose the moon creature. But he did so after analysis and decided that the other set of railroad tracks would disintegrate and therefore not be a problem. He could have been wrong though.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by StargateMillennium View Post
                              He favored the baby moon. While he did not act on it and left it for the three humans to decide, he treated like the situation is straight forward with a clear right and wrong.
                              So?
                              Sometimes things don't need a debate, Certainly Courtney did not need one to state her POV. As to how he treated the situation, he let the humans involved make EVERY decision. Did he make his case? Sure. Did he enforce it? No.
                              To HIM it was a purely right or wrong answer, so what?
                              After Clara stopped the nuke detonation he told her he always had faith that she would make the right choice. If we are to believe what he said about being genuinely clueless of what will happen, that means he put a right and wrong in a morally grey question.
                              Where is this "moral Greyness"?
                              Saving your own arse is NOT moral, it IS understandable however.
                              The Doctor never said humanity would die if they let it hatch, In fact, they even COVERED what may happen if the moon was gone, and it was not a species extinction event. He DID cover what it would be like to have a giant corpse floating the Earth to keep it's tides and toys in line however.

                              Baby or a billion people on the rail road track. Clara was about to sacrifice the billion people for the baby. Doctor says she made the right choice.
                              Your analogy requires an absolute outcome, this did not have one. Your analogy fails, sorry.
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                                #30
                                Kind of surprised no one picked up on the whole "Maiden, Mother, and Crone" thing going on with Courtney, Clara, and Capt. Lundvik.
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